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I really wish Apple would come out with something like this that is guaranteed to work with the new MacBook Pros. I was so excited about the possibilities for usb-c/thunderbolt 3. But the reality of very few options (particularly for dual display support) and compatibility issues has soured the transition IMHO.
 
True, but they (manufacturers) should have stopped including a VGA port on their devices a decade ago, yet we still see some coming out with new stuff that has VGA, WTF.

While I'm personally very shy o VGA and since like 2000 or so tried to connect my displays digitally (DVI back in the day) whenever possible, I wanted to turn on my UltraSPARC 10 last weekend in my parent's attic.

It took me like nearly an hour to find an abandon VGA cable at the very last drawer in the garage corner, ... ;-)

The holy 13W3 connector for my Sgi Octane, however, I keep in my precious office drawer, together will all the many Apple iDongles accumulated over the last decade, …
 
True, but they (manufacturers) should have stopped including a VGA port on their devices a decade ago, yet we still see some coming out with new stuff that has VGA, WTF.

Some businesses don't upgrade their projector infrastructure every 5 years for cost reasons. And if you look at the toxic cesspits (literally) that modern consumer culture has created in the countries of manufacture then the benefits of maintaining backwards compatibility are evident. There is also some specialized equipment (for accessibility) that require analog inputs.

At this stage it costs little and on a docking station were space is not an issue it's fair enough to have it.
 
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Apple is only making stuff that lasts 3 years, cannot be upgraded, cannot be repaired, and cannot be expanded. A business would be a fool to purchase Apple products. A consumer should also be considered a fool to purchase Apple products, but alas they have more money than sense. But there is hope, consumers will come to understand eventually.

I have a MacBook Pro that's over three years old. I've never had a windows machine last that long. A person that uses VGA doesn't have much sense IMO.
 
You can't keep a Windows machine for more than 3 years? In my educational and medical environments, many notebooks are 3-5 years old easily. Lenovo T420's are in abundance. Solid as a rock too.
 
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If it can automatically switch between two active computers (basically be a super duper advanced KVM switch) I'm sold.
 
I really wish Apple would come out with something like this that is guaranteed to work with the new MacBook Pros. I was so excited about the possibilities for usb-c/thunderbolt 3. But the reality of very few options (particularly for dual display support) and compatibility issues has soured the transition IMHO.

No kidding. I'm a huge fan of Thunderbolt 3's potential but Apple's moves to:

1. Make it so almost no existing Thunderbolt 3 devices are compatible (totally arbitrary too since disabling CIP and patching KEXTs will get them to work fine).

2. Have no hardware available at launch.

At least they made a decent adapter so all my Thunderbolt 1/2 stuff works but it's annoying that despite the fact that there are a bunch of cool devices available now (e.g. Startech has a dual DisplayPort out from a single Thunderbolt 3 port) that I can't use... because.

Gotta wait until updated devices with updated chipsets are released. Lame. I'm pretty unhappy with how they opted to roll this out.
 
Lenovo is doing great for hardcore business users. Apple, not so much. It's like they changed their target demographic to teenagers.

Apparent by the Micky Mouse watchface and countless emoji updates for iOS.
 
Yup, I just went to an electronics company the other day for presentation and they only have VGA connector. I'm surprised that back when VGA and DVI was around, people never adopted DVI. I wonder how long it'll take before all companies start using USB-C instead of VGA or the lesser known DVI :rolleyes:
 
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1. Make it so almost no existing Thunderbolt 3 devices are compatible (totally arbitrary too since disabling CIP and patching KEXTs will get them to work fine).

Disabling SIP will also allow malware to patch your kernels.
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Wait where is the display port?

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Note that they aren't mini display ports.
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Disabling SIP will also allow malware to patch your kernels

I'm aware. The only point I was making is that the lack of support for existing Thunderbolt 3 hardware is entirely artificial and imposed by macOS. Boot up in Windows and suddenly the devices work fine. Patch your extensions and they work fine in macOS.

It was a douche move by Apple, plain and simple.
 
I have a MacBook Pro that's over three years old. I've never had a windows machine last that long. A person that uses VGA doesn't have much sense IMO.
I've got a dell laptop that is circa 2005 and one that is 2016. That dell outlived my 2012 rMBP. We have windows machines at work that we do development on that have lasted longer than 3 years. PCs last much longer now a days.

I also had a MBP 2009 that lasted less than 3 years before I had to replace it because it was getting too slow. Still got it but it does exhibit spinning hour glass for my wife (upgraded ram to 8GB and 256GB SSD).

Anything Apple with a battery probably only has a life of 5 years (if the battery starts failing).

I'm looking for a dock/hub for my XPS that has dual 60Hz ultra HD support. I think dell had issues with theirs and there might be a TB16 in the wings?
 
Is it true that using docks and dongles doesn't give a stable transfers and connections like built in ports?
 
Is it true that using docks and dongles doesn't give a stable transfers and connections like built in ports?
Personal past experience is a no but I'm not surprised if they're docks and dongles out there that does what you mentioned.
 
Count me in as another who would never use VGA - would much rather have seen an SD card reader instead.
 
It was a douche move by Apple, plain and simple.
A douch move somehow implies that they profited from it. I don't see how they profit from it.
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Anything Apple with a battery probably only has a life of 5 years (if the battery starts failing).
If only there were an option to pay somebody to put a new battery in it.
 
I have a MacBook Pro that's over three years old. I've never had a windows machine last that long. A person that uses VGA doesn't have much sense IMO.

Me too, never owned a windows machine. Currently use a MBP that is older. Wanted to purchase a new one since 2014, but they have been getting too dumbed down. For my previous post, I was talking about 2016 models. I use VGA every day, even though my old MBP requires a dongle. Business use requires it. It really pissed me off at the time to have to carry a dongle, and still pisses me off. That is one of many reasons why I am no longer recommend Apple computers to anyone.

The new ones have no expandable memory, no changeable SSD, etc. Everybody should know that SSDs have a limited life, last time i looked it was something like 1000 write operations to single cell. Probably better now, but still finite. In order to last any length of time the OS monitors cell writes and moves stuff around to keep from wearing out cells. So if you need to store 1/2 TB then you better have a 2 TB drive or it will fail in my usage in less than a couple of years and Apple will only replace the motherboard with a used motherboard with used SSD that has even less remaining life.

Try reading http://techreport.com/review/27909/the-ssd-endurance-experiment-theyre-all-dead. In this article Samsung 250 GB drives started failing after 300 TB of writes (1:1200 ratio). So Apple stuff is fine for teenagers, college students, normal business users doing email, quarterly presentations, etc. But for any really heavy or professional computer usage like audio processing, video processing, data analysis, etc., Apple soldered in SSDs are an epic fail. Note that Apple does not, as far as I have been able to find, publish any information on the reliability/endurance of its drives. Although IIRC it has been suggested that Apple uses Samsung SSDs.
 
Me too, never owned a windows machine. Currently use a MBP that is older. Wanted to purchase a new one since 2014, but they have been getting too dumbed down. For my previous post, I was talking about 2016 models. I use VGA every day, even though my old MBP requires a dongle. Business use requires it. It really pissed me off at the time to have to carry a dongle, and still pisses me off. That is one of many reasons why I am no longer recommend Apple computers to anyone.

The new ones have no expandable memory, no changeable SSD, etc. Everybody should know that SSDs have a limited life, last time i looked it was something like 1000 write operations to single cell. Probably better now, but still finite. In order to last any length of time the OS monitors cell writes and moves stuff around to keep from wearing out cells. So if you need to store 1/2 TB then you better have a 2 TB drive or it will fail in my usage in less than a couple of years and Apple will only replace the motherboard with a used motherboard with used SSD that has even less remaining life.

Try reading http://techreport.com/review/27909/the-ssd-endurance-experiment-theyre-all-dead. In this article Samsung 250 GB drives started failing after 300 TB of writes (1:1200 ratio). So Apple stuff is fine for teenagers, college students, normal business users doing email, quarterly presentations, etc. But for any really heavy or professional computer usage like audio processing, video processing, data analysis, etc., Apple soldered in SSDs are an epic fail. Note that Apple does not, as far as I have been able to find, publish any information on the reliability/endurance of its drives. Although IIRC it has been suggested that Apple uses Samsung SSDs.

And yet...SSD's are much less prone to malfunction than HD's, and yes, this (fact) has been proven.

Edit: It didn't start failing at 300 TB, it tripled the Data written you say above, bad sectors are normal and wording it as failing is wrong.
900 TB is a LOT of Data, few people will reach that kind of Data before replacements of their system.
 
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Me too, never owned a windows machine. Currently use a MBP that is older. Wanted to purchase a new one since 2014, but they have been getting too dumbed down. For my previous post, I was talking about 2016 models. I use VGA every day, even though my old MBP requires a dongle. Business use requires it. It really pissed me off at the time to have to carry a dongle, and still pisses me off. That is one of many reasons why I am no longer recommend Apple computers to anyone.

The new ones have no expandable memory, no changeable SSD, etc. Everybody should know that SSDs have a limited life, last time i looked it was something like 1000 write operations to single cell. Probably better now, but still finite. In order to last any length of time the OS monitors cell writes and moves stuff around to keep from wearing out cells. So if you need to store 1/2 TB then you better have a 2 TB drive or it will fail in my usage in less than a couple of years and Apple will only replace the motherboard with a used motherboard with used SSD that has even less remaining life.

Try reading http://techreport.com/review/27909/the-ssd-endurance-experiment-theyre-all-dead. In this article Samsung 250 GB drives started failing after 300 TB of writes (1:1200 ratio). So Apple stuff is fine for teenagers, college students, normal business users doing email, quarterly presentations, etc. But for any really heavy or professional computer usage like audio processing, video processing, data analysis, etc., Apple soldered in SSDs are an epic fail. Note that Apple does not, as far as I have been able to find, publish any information on the reliability/endurance of its drives. Although IIRC it has been suggested that Apple uses Samsung SSDs.

That's a TLC SSD which had less endurance than MLC. Let's just say Apple is using TLC, which they aren't, you won't reach the write limit in under 5 years with heavy usage.

Apple uses SSDs from Samsung and Sandisk and it's the best SSDs you'll find anywhere.

I've got a dell laptop that is circa 2005 and one that is 2016. That dell outlived my 2012 rMBP. We have windows machines at work that we do development on that have lasted longer than 3 years. PCs last much longer now a days.

I also had a MBP 2009 that lasted less than 3 years before I had to replace it because it was getting too slow. Still got it but it does exhibit spinning hour glass for my wife (upgraded ram to 8GB and 256GB SSD).

Anything Apple with a battery probably only has a life of 5 years (if the battery starts failing).

I'm looking for a dock/hub for my XPS that has dual 60Hz ultra HD support. I think dell had issues with theirs and there might be a TB16 in the wings?

My 2013 MBP is still my daily. I have a 2009 MBP that's usable, but I wouldn't use it simply because it's old. I also have a 2009 Dell that turns on, but it's so slow and hot, it's not usable at all.
 
About time to drop VGA, yes, I know, businesses seem to still use them, but really, it should go like the Dodo/flash.
I agree. I can tell you the second they drop it is the one time you need to drop a vga monitor in place for 1 day for something special and then you don't have it! That's my luck anyway. I wouldn't let a vga port weigh my decision for a dock though.
 
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