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Let's talk about the redesign MacBook Pro

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Hello, I read that the notch will be replaced by dynamic island rather than just a hole. How is it better than the notch? On my iPhone 15 Pro Max, it has a pill-like shape in the middle of the top part of the screen while the top edge of the notch on current MacBook Pros are aligned with the dark bezel. I can imagine that the menu bar of the redesigned model might have a dark pill-like portion in the middle. Isn't dynamic island no better than or even worse than the current notch?

Also, is it just a product for Apple to raise the price for more profits? I don't see any up-coming features to be innovative to justify for the price increase. I could be wrong but Apple seems to just put old technologies on MacBook Pro. Laptops with OLED and touch screens have been around for 10+ years. Moreover, they don't have a visible cutout for camera. Some laptops also have cellular function for many years. Possible burn-in and thinner chasis means we need to buy Apple Care which Apple will most likely increase the cost of such "Ultra" model as well. To reduce the risk of burn-in, we also have to lower the brightness which means they might not look as bright as current screens when used near sunlight.
 
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Notch vs. DI is an old argument. DI allows more active display area to show and has less black void area, so it is overall better than notch.

Yes, Apple is relatively slow introducing cutting edge features. This applies to telephoto lens, variable aperture cameras, folding phones, etc.
 
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I'm not expecting it to cost that much more than the current models. That said, there are some exciting things coming, aside from the tandem OLED touch display. There's the possibility of an Apple-built modem for the first time. It's also worth considering that this fall Apple may adopt the Lithium Silicon (Li-Si) batteries in new products which would mean denser batteries with faster charging. While others have been using it, it's likely every electronics manufacturer is working on it to make sure it's durable & not going to swell & catch fire. I think it's also possible that its repairability will mirror the new MacBook Neo. No more adhesives. So lots to look forward to.
 
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Some people are concerned about burn in of the tandem OLED screen. I don’t remember the details, Apple either not provides software update or hardware fix after 5 years. So we need to replace the computer 5 years later. So if it takes 5 years for burn in to show up, then perhaps we don’t need to worry about it? If burn in is an issue in less than 5 years, I am concerned that the trade-in of such redesigned models be lower due to screen issue.
 
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JPack said:
Notch vs. DI is an old argument. DI allows more active display area to show and has less black void area, so it is overall better than notch.

Yes, Apple is relatively slow introducing cutting edge features. This applies to telephoto lens, variable aperture cameras, folding phones, etc.
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Can the current iPad Pro 12.9” give us an idea on how the screen if the redesigned model look like? Somewhere I read that it is not Dynamic Island nor Notch. What is it then?
 
Arctic Moose said:
Considering we do not know what the features are or how much it will cost it is sort of difficult to have an opinion. 🤷

However, if whatever is released is not to your liking, perhaps the MacBook Air is for you?
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I need a laptop and I will transfer everything from my current problematic desktop PC to a VM in Mac so I can work anywhere.

I have tried the M5 Air 15” for two days. So far so good except that during software installation, it got warm. It came with scratches and two black dots during the manufacturing process. I am going to either exchange for another Air and use it til the redesigned model to be released or just get a MacBook Pro M5 Pro 16”. It is hard to decide as we don’t know if the redesigned model will be better or worse than the current one.
 
hajime said:
Can the current iPad Pro 12.9” give us an idea on how the screen if the redesigned model look like? Somewhere I read that it is not Dynamic Island nor Notch. What is it then?
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It will probably be just a nearly circular hole punch design since there is no Face ID. Maybe very slightly elongated for ambient light sensor and privacy LED.

iPad Pro embeds the camera into the bezel. MacBook Pro won’t do that.
 
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It will probably be just a nearly circular hole punch design since there is no Face ID. Maybe very slightly elongated for ambient light sensor and privacy LED.

iPad Pro embeds the camera into the bezel. MacBook Pro won’t do that.
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Why?
 
Yes, touchscreen OLED displays have existed for 10+ years.
However, mass produced in the tens of millions 14 and 16 inch high resolution tandem OLED displays with retina display quality, 120 Hz and 2000 nits of peak brightness with 1000 nits standard have not.
Think I’m joking? Go look at most other OLED laptops. Most you are lucky to get 400 nits with very little protection against things like burn in.
 
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I have tried the M5 Air 15” for two days. So far so good except that during software installation, it got warm.
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Oh no, what a tragedy!
No matter which computer you get, on first installation of all of your programs when it’s doing spotlight indexing, initial software updates, and so on and so on, the computer is going to get warm. This is completely normal.
If initial setup caused an M5 MacBook Air to get warm, just prepare for the M6 MBP to get warm as well.
 
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I really don't care anymore.

Apple innovation has turned into overcooked oatmeal like other manufacturers.

Give me a reliable hardware platform, solid battery runtime and far less hyped & bug ridden operating system releases
 
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Lounge vibes 05 said:
Oh no, what a tragedy!
No matter which computer you get, on first installation of all of your programs when it’s doing spotlight indexing, initial software updates, and so on and so on, the computer is going to get warm. This is completely normal.
If initial setup caused an M5 MacBook Air to get warm, just prepare for the M6 MBP to get warm as well.
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Some said that with the new 2nm process, the M6 series should generate less heat. Can anybody with a background in chip design comment on that?

So far, as each generation of M chip is released, we see more heat issue and throttling in the same chassis. So unless the cooling system in the new thinner redesigned chassis is better than the current one, the redesigned MacBook Pro 16” may have heat and fan noise issues?
 
I think Apple have a habit of waiting for a tech to mature before adopting it (I know OLED is pretty mature by now) but usually when they do adopt it they do it well and at a good quality. I’m just waiting for an Air with ProMotion but I may die for that gets released…
 
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Also, is it just a product for Apple to raise the price for more profits?
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No. This is how Apple has significantly modified the MacBook Pro line in the past. They introduce a new top tier model (MacBook Pro with Retina in 2012) above the other MacBook Pro models. With the features that are at the time difficult to mass produce. Then that “ultra” “retina” model eventually becomes the default within a year or two.
 
Spock said:
I almost prefer the thicker bezel over the notch...
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Thing is, you can have that. Just change the display resolution from the default 1512x982 to 1512x945 and voila! Your menu bar slides down below the notch. Of course you lose the menu height (37 pixels) of vertical space, but the notch is in practice replaced by a thicker top bezel.

hajime said:
Some said that with the new 2nm process, the M6 series should generate less heat. Can anybody with a background in chip design comment on that?

So far, as each generation of M chip is released, we see more heat issue and throttling in the same chassis. So unless the cooling system in the new thinner redesigned chassis is better than the current one, the redesigned MacBook Pro 16” may have heat and fan noise issues?
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It is a pro machine that is supposed to be able to handle pro workloads.

If the chip is more efficient that gain should be used to perform better for longer under heavy load, not to reduce heat and fan noise.
 
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Some said that with the new 2nm process, the M6 series should generate less heat. Can anybody with a background in chip design comment on that?
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I don’t have a background in ship design, however…
Apple almost always has an efficiency target they have to reach, and then after they do, they have two choices.
Choice 1: keep everything exactly the same, but at a higher efficiency.
Choice two: utilize the benefits of that higher efficiency to boost speed.

They almost always choose the second option.
For example, the blizzard and avalanche cores of the M2 are technically built on a more efficient process than the firestorm and Icestorm cores of the M1. However, Apple used that opportunity to boost the clock speed from 3.2 GHz to 3.49 GHz, so the performance cores would be significantly faster.
Either way, no matter what they do, I can tell you that on initial set up the M6 MacBook Pro is going to get warm, because that’s just what computers do.
If you are looking for a computer that absolutely never ever gets warm to the touch, you’re going to be waiting a long time.
As long as it’s not getting so hot you can’t touch it, chances are the computers doing what it’s supposed to do.
 
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Does a tandem OLED display also need more energy at the same brightness with light mode compared to an LED backlit LCD?
 
Basic75 said:
Does a tandem OLED display also need more energy at the same brightness with light mode compared to an LED backlit LCD?
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No, other way around.
OLED displays are more efficient than LCDs because each pixel is individually lit, instead of having one backlight or several backlight zones as the current MBP has.
Even in light mode, darker elements use less energy.
 
Lounge vibes 05 said:
No, other way around.
OLED displays are more efficient than LCDs because each pixel is individually lit, instead of having one backlight or several backlight zones as the current MBP has.
Even in light mode, darker elements use less energy.
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That's generally not correct, a normal OLED often only uses less energy than an LCD when displaying darker content. I'm asking whether this changes with tandem OLED due to some non-linear behaviour.

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Lounge vibes 05 said:
I don’t have a background in ship design, however…
Apple almost always has an efficiency target they have to reach, and then after they do, they have two choices.
Choice 1: keep everything exactly the same, but at a higher efficiency.
Choice two: utilize the benefits of that higher efficiency to boost speed.

They almost always choose the second option.
For example, the blizzard and avalanche cores of the M2 are technically built on a more efficient process than the firestorm and Icestorm cores of the M1. However, Apple used that opportunity to boost the clock speed from 3.2 GHz to 3.49 GHz, so the performance cores would be significantly faster.
Either way, no matter what they do, I can tell you that on initial set up the M6 MacBook Pro is going to get warm, because that’s just what computers do.
If you are looking for a computer that absolutely never ever gets warm to the touch, you’re going to be waiting a long time.
As long as it’s not getting so hot you can’t touch it, chances are the computers doing what it’s supposed to do.
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I used to use Macbook Pro 17”, 16” and retina 15” as my main machine. They had fans so I didn’t notice the heat. This is my first time to use the fan-less Air 15” as main machine. I wonder if I will have heat issue overtime after the return period.
 
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