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LG and Dell to Showcase Latest USB-C Displays for New MacBook Pro at CES This Week

citysnaps said:
People buy printers based on cost and performance.

There is no way Apple can compete in the world of $100 laser printers that are excellent and quite remarkable with respect to features, performance, and quality.

Brother's highly-rated, Energy-Star efficient, very compact 27 page per minute, automatic full duplex printing, 1,200 dpi resolution printer for $93 is just one example.

Apple would get clobbered in that market. And it would be a terrible distraction for Apple.
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Yep, go buy your LG monitor and Brother printer. Two chunks of uninspired plastic. Neither are well designed. Neither rethink technology.
 
smacrumon said:
Yep, go buy your LG monitor and Brother printer. Two chunks of uninspired plastic. Neither are well designed. Neither rethink technology.
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I already have a Brother printer. Outstanding features, speed, and print quality. The LG display looks to be the same.

While I understand your needs are to hold peripherals as covetable objet d'art, thankfully there are manufactures who are more into performance and output quality.

You might check with a local B&O showroom for your display/printer needs and to schedule an audition.
 
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ctyrider said:
That's a great post, however I will slightly disagree with your above statement.

When you scale 4K screen to 1440p - macOS will run the display in 1.5:1 HiDPI mode. While it's certainly not quite as nice as 2:1 5K-to-1440p scaling - it is absolutely better than "native" 1440p. With HiDPI - you are still taking full advantage of your 4K screen, and getting crisper text and UI elements as compared to non-hi-DPI resolutions. MacOS is perfectly capable to support a variety of scaled resolutions in-between 110-220ppi zone.

And so, I will say that 4K screen even at larger 27" size is still a better investment than 1080p/1440p screen these days. But you're correct that 5K is the best way to go at 27" size.
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I run the math. And I may have it wrong, but I do get the following results, different than yours.

Assumptions:
  1. MacBook Pro Retina (pre 2016)
  2. Native spaces on the MBP Retina are 16:10
  3. The virtual space is 1440x900 (16:10) and the display's backing store is 2880x1800 (Retina Scaling Factor +2.0).
  4. 16:10 Virtual Space (1440x900) -> Backing Store (2880x1800) -> 16:9 27-inch 4K UHD Display (Native Resolution 3840x2160)
27-inch UHD Display: QHD Mode, 2560x1440 (Horizontal Frequency 88.86kHz@60Hz)
Scaling factor: -1.25
Display Space: 2048x1440 (Letterboxed Vertically)

27-inch UHD Display: FHD Mode, 1920x1080 (Horizontal Frequency 66.65KHz@60Hz)
Scaling factor: -1.67
Display Space: 1725x1080 (Letterboxed Vertically)

27-inch Display: UHD Mode, 3840x2160 (Horizontal Frequency 133.29kHz@60Hz)
Scaling factor: +1.2
Display Space: 3456x2160 (Letterboxed Vertically)

The 16:10 aspect ratio of the MBPr has no integral mapping to a 16:9 display, and will produce letterboxing because the assets must remain geometrically invariant.

Did I get this right? Please correct otherwise.
 
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citysnaps said:
I already have a Brother printer. Outstanding features, speed, and print quality.
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I hate printers, but my Brother 2270DW is amazing. It is cheap. The ink is cheap. The only issue I have had with it in the past five years is that my cat turned the wifi off by standing on the power button for 10 seconds.

Edit: Oh, and if I don't use it for a month the ink doesn't dry up forcing me to replace everything.
 
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citysnaps said:
I already have a Brother printer. Outstanding features, speed, and print quality. The LG display looks to be the same.

While I understand your needs are to hold peripherals as covetable objet d'art, thankfully there are manufactures who are more into performance and output quality.

You might check with a local B&O showroom for your display/printer needs and to schedule an audition.
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The point is they can be both objet d'art and about performance and output quality. As it should be. Apple is good at that. LG, Brother, are not.
 
smacrumon said:
The point is they can be both objet d'art and about performance and output quality. As it should be. Apple is good at that. LG, Brother, are not.
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Thankfully Apple has exited that market where it would be impossible to compete on price and performance at a price people are willing to pay.

You'll need to look elsewhere for your objet d'art inspired printer and display needs. Try Hermes, Prada, or B&O. For the right price, you might even be able to commission a WiFi router wrapped in sumptuous Connolly leather.
 
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TheShadowKnows! said:
The 16:10 aspect ratio of the MBPr has no integral mapping to a 16:9 display, and will produce letterboxing because the assets must remain geometrically invariant.
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I am not sure where you got that idea. macOS is not some kind of two-dimensional image that exists in in a certain pre-defined aspect ratio.

There is no such thing as "letterboxing" when displaying macOS on 16:9 display.

danjames99 said:
Did you also say this about the panel found in MacBookAir machines that Apple was shipping -- oh, wait, is still shipping?
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Did you just compare a legacy laptop line that's been shipping for nearly 10 years (since 2008 to be exact), to a brand new display being released at CES-2017? You have made my point, thank you.
 
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ctyrider said:
I am not sure where you got that idea. macOS is not some kind of two-dimensional image that exists in in a certain pre-defined aspect ratio.

There is no such thing as "letterboxing" when displaying macOS on 16:9 display.
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Fair enough, ctyrider. Then, I got it wrong.

But can you explain to me:
How does a circle, square, isosceles triangle, ... drawn on a 16:10 virtual space by the app remains geometrically invariant when displayed instead on a 16:9 panel? (Maybe concomitantly with the native 16:10 panel, when its window is shifted from 16:10 to 16:9 displays.)

I run a test with my setup. And I found mixed results.

With the MBPr 15.4-inch LCD set as a mirror to a 27-inch 4K UHD display: letter boxing
  1. If the mirror is optimized to the 15.4 inch panel, I do get vertical letterboxing on the 27-inch display.
  2. If the mirror is optimized to the 27-inch display, I do get horizontal letterboxing on the 15.4-inch display.
With the 27-inch panel set as an extended display (not a mirror): no letter boxing.

I just do not understand how that works, then, as the virtual space (programmer's space) has a 16:10 aspect ratio, and I did get letter boxing when mirroring.

Maybe you can explain. Thanks.
 
TheShadowKnows! said:
I run a test with my setup. And I found mixed results.

With the MBPr 15.4-inch LCD set as a mirror to a 27-inch 4K UHD display: letter boxing
  1. If the mirror is optimized to the 15.4 inch panel, I do get vertical letterboxing on the 27-inch display.
  2. If the mirror is optimized to the 27-inch display, I do get horizontal letterboxing on the 15.4-inch display.
With the 27-inch panel set as an extended display (not a mirror): no letter boxing.

I just do not understand how that works, then, as the virtual space (programmer's space) has a 16:10 aspect ratio, and I did get letter boxing when mirroring.

Maybe you can explain. Thanks.
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Mirroring is scaling the "output" from one screen to another, keeping the aspect ratio and fitting it to the bounding box of the monitor, ie letterboxing.

With extended it just uses all the monitors native resolution (and aspect ratio), the monitors are individual from each other thus it does not matter if one monitor is a 4:3 ratio, the 2nd one is a 16:9 and the third one is 3839283:8, one monitors aspect ratio does not affect any of the other monitors.
 
What monitor options exist for the 2013 MacPro to replace my aging 30" ACD?

I love my 30" ACD for its combination of size, 16:10 aspect ratio, color accuracy and anti-glare screen but 7 years on, the ports on the back are aging horribly (who uses Firewire anymore?!?).

Ideally a replacement would be the same size, aspect ratio, antiglare have more modern ports but would be 4K or 5K. I mainly do website development, MS Office, run a VM, watch videos, etc. No gaming.

Thoughts?
 
JesperA said:
Mirroring is scaling the "output" from one screen to another, keeping the aspect ratio and fitting it to the bounding box of the monitor, ie letterboxing.

With extended it just uses all the monitors native resolution (and aspect ratio), the monitors are individual from each other thus it does not matter if one monitor is a 4:3 ratio, the 2nd one is a 16:9 and the third one is 3839283:8, one monitors aspect ratio does not affect any of the other monitors.
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Got it. Treated as separate physical spaces, in extended display mode; scaled in mirroring mode.

Thinking aloud at the end of this exchange:
  1. All pixels are square, regardless of aspect ratio; so the assets are unaffected by aspect ratio. Aspect ratio only affects the size of the canvas.
  2. macOS preserves spatial invariance among assets, so relative positions remain unchanged, although the assets themselves may render differently. (See 3 below.)
  3. A canvas is defined on a non-retina virtual display (with 1x multiplier). Its assets are also defined with 2x multipliers for retina displays. Optionally, to display assets properly on a 163dpi screen (e.g.; a 27-inch 4K UHD display), a 1.5x multiplier to all assets should also be included.
Thanks.
 
What next? Apple outsources Macbook production to Dell and LG? I couldn't imagine SJ being OK with the state of Apple today.
 
citysnaps said:
Thankfully Apple has exited that market where it would be impossible to compete on price and performance at a price people are willing to pay.

You'll need to look elsewhere for your objet d'art inspired printer and display needs. Try Hermes, Prada, or B&O. For the right price, you might even be able to commission a WiFi router wrapped in sumptuous Connolly leather.
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Ugly monitors. I look forward to apple supporting an LG phone and cancelling its own iPhone production. That's what's next on this trajectory.
 
I can't believe that no one has mentioned the lack of a camera in any of these screens. Facetime and Skype are important features and a built in camera is the neatest option.
 
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aforty said:
Well, in my eyes, this is the good part about Apple no longer being in the display market (and us no longer using the proprietary Thunderbolt port).

Competition. Can't wait for the prices to be driven down on these.
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Thunderbolt was only proprietary for the first year due to Apple's work in "co-developing" with Intel. Thunderbolt is only proprietary on the Intel end but appears just about everywhere now (at the high-end of MB, Laptops, etc) and then TB3 comes along and breaks the compatibility of TB1/TB2 (If you were someone like me who bought in to the expensive tech, its frustrating).
To make matters worse, a lot of non-tech people buy the 5k display or TB3/TB2 adapters on the apple store and now have poisoned the reviews because they only have a 2015/16 Macbook and didn't know they can't use USB-C interchangeably for the TB3 ("The port looks the same").

While I love the new tech, a big fail on the part of AppleIntel (And I just received my 2016 rMBP for work).
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rturner2 said:
Not buying a new laptop until this happens also.
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DP 1.3 is out mostly everywhere. TB3 with DP 1.3 is not so you won't see this from Apple until TB4 which who knows?
 
George Dawes said:
So what is Mr Ive up to these days ?

Not doing much design work by the look of it
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Apple’s Chief Design Officer, may be now more focused on architectural projects like the upcoming Spaceship campus and special initiatives such as Project Titan than industrial designs related to the iPhone, iPad, Mac and other consumer products from Apple.

http://www.idownloadblog.com/2016/1...-involved-with-iphone-and-mac-product-design/

http://appleinsider.com/articles/16...-longer-involved-in-iphone-mac-product-design
 
MH01 said:
Plenty of great displays out there, I would not touch these for a Mac Pro. I'd ignore any display with thunderbolt C as the main connector .
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Plenty?! I've been though 4 all have issues with the mac. Compatibility wise. They only support a handful on their site too.
 
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