Lightroom and M1(8gb)

[bunnspecial]

I know, I know, I know, I should have bought the 16gb. I'm regretting it and and I'm waiting to splurge on a maxed out 16" M2 or whatever.

In any case, I've been running into issues with my 8gb/512gb MBP basically grinding to a halt with Lightroom.

When I'm doing an import/DNG batch process from my D800 or D810 .NEFs, the system is unuseable for anything else. Even LR open in the background will make Firefox bog down. Lightroom isn't very snappy in rendering images as I'm browsing. It's all memory related I know, and I see memory pressure spiking to 90% in some of the worst of these instances with a "baseline" of about 60% with only LR open and just doing light editing.

Has anyone else seen anything like this? Most of the reports claim that 8gb is fine even for photo editing, but I'm just not seeing it. As impossible as it seems, Lightroom runs better on my 2012 15" MBP(with 16gb RAM) on the whole than it does on my M1.

BTW, I have the CC helper that keeps LR and PS up to date with the latest stable versions. I don't want to launch now and see what version exactly, but I have the green "up to date" dot and I think I saw it updating yesterday.

 

[bsamcash]

I use Lightroom on my base M1 Air to edit RAWs that are over 100MP without even a stutter. It’ll be fine.

 

[jz0309]

I don't have a M1, but on my iMac (24GB), when I import photos, I don't really use it for anything else til its done, and the fans spin up, always ... editing I have no issues

 

[kenoh]

Have you got the M1 build of Lightroom installed? or still got the intel version installed that runs in Rosetta? does it update to the new binaries itself? or do you need to uninstall and re install?

 

[bunnspecial]

I use Lightroom on my base M1 Air to edit RAWs that are over 100MP without even a stutter. It’ll be fine.

Interesting that it works fine for you. This isn't a hypothetical for me of "will it be okay" but a real world "No, it's not okay" experience.

I don't have a M1, but on my iMac (24GB), when I import photos, I don't really use it for anything else til its done, and the fans spin up, always ... editing I have no issues

Funny enough, imports are the only thing I can do on my M1 to kick the fans on.

Have you got the M1 build of Lightroom installed? or still got the intel version installed that runs in Rosetta? does it update to the new binaries itself? or do you need to uninstall and re install?

I bought the computer in March, which was after the M1 version came out, and did a fresh download/install through the CC app. It updated yesterday I think, so should be the latest. BTW, just launched to check the version and I'm seeing an immediate hit. Just typing this post I getting a key press lag. I wouldn't get that on my old 15" running LR in the background plus a VM...

EDIT:

Okay, never mind...looks like it is Intel

Not sure why this says "up to date" though

 

[kenoh]

Interesting that it works fine for you. This isn't a hypothetical for me of "will it be okay" but a real world "No, it's not okay" experience.



Funny enough, imports are the only thing I can do on my M1 to kick the fans on.



I bought the computer in March, which was after the M1 version came out, and did a fresh download/install through the CC app. It updated yesterday I think, so should be the latest. BTW, just launched to check the version and I'm seeing an immediate hit. Just typing this post I getting a key press lag. I wouldn't get that on my old 15" running LR in the background plus a VM...

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EDIT:

Okay, never mind...looks like it is Intel
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Not sure why this says "up to date" though

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Up to date intel version is still the latest for that release mine is v10.2

The build is 2020 August too and camera raw is 12.x not 13.2.... so it is out of date too

8th December 2020 was the native release date so looks like you are not running the M1 native version. Maybe this is a good news day.

 

[jz0309]

Interesting that it works fine for you. This isn't a hypothetical for me of "will it be okay" but a real world "No, it's not okay" experience.



Funny enough, imports are the only thing I can do on my M1 to kick the fans on.



I bought the computer in March, which was after the M1 version came out, and did a fresh download/install through the CC app. It updated yesterday I think, so should be the latest. BTW, just launched to check the version and I'm seeing an immediate hit. Just typing this post I getting a key press lag. I wouldn't get that on my old 15" running LR in the background plus a VM...

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EDIT:

Okay, never mind...looks like it is Intel
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Not sure why this says "up to date" though

Adobe's help document is not clear - the way I interpret it you have to actively download/install the M1 version, not upgrade, might have to do with the licensing ...

 

[Vol Braakzakje]

Don’t use Lightroom. Use affinity. Miles ahead.

 

[bunnspecial]

Don’t use Lightroom. Use affinity. Miles ahead.

Not the question, and I'm well versed in Lightroom, have too much time and money invested, and I'm not about to change.

 

[joeblough]

affinity doesn't have all the photo organization tools that LR has... right?

anyway as far as this problem goes, there are multiple versions of LR at this point, correct? maybe LR classic didn't get the upgrade to ARM...

 

[jz0309]

re-read the document that I posted above and took a closer look at @bunnspecial screenshot - Lightroom Classic is not yet supported natively on M1 ;(

 

[iluvmacs99]

I know, I know, I know, I should have bought the 16gb. I'm regretting it and and I'm waiting to splurge on a maxed out 16" M2 or whatever.

In any case, I've been running into issues with my 8gb/512gb MBP basically grinding to a halt with Lightroom.

When I'm doing an import/DNG batch process from my D800 or D810 .NEFs, the system is unuseable for anything else. Even LR open in the background will make Firefox bog down. Lightroom isn't very snappy in rendering images as I'm browsing. It's all memory related I know, and I see memory pressure spiking to 90% in some of the worst of these instances with a "baseline" of about 60% with only LR open and just doing light editing.

Has anyone else seen anything like this? Most of the reports claim that 8gb is fine even for photo editing, but I'm just not seeing it. As impossible as it seems, Lightroom runs better on my 2012 15" MBP(with 16gb RAM) on the whole than it does on my M1.

BTW, I have the CC helper that keeps LR and PS up to date with the latest stable versions. I don't want to launch now and see what version exactly, but I have the green "up to date" dot and I think I saw it updating yesterday.

Well you should. Memory is memory and M1 is not a RAM doubler. I don't understand why some Youtube influencers keep selling this MYTH! It's a MYTH that you can get by just with 8Gb of RAM working on D800 NEF files. Those are 33MP+ files. It's not like you're dealing with 8-12MP compressed JPEGs which is fine with 8Gb.

I'm comfortable working with high megapixel RAW files having my Mac Pro @ 24Gb, though would be nicer if I have even more. I can easily bet now that I can smoke your M1 easily with Lightroom.

I also recently upgraded my Asus gaming PC to 32Gb and WOW, what a difference 32Gb makes!! RAM pressure is nothing to speak off and no SSD swapping activities. Editing 4K is easy as pie.

 

[bunnspecial]

affinity doesn't have all the photo organization tools that LR has... right?

anyway as far as this problem goes, there are multiple versions of LR at this point, correct? maybe LR classic didn't get the upgrade to ARM...

Just looked it up and it's described as a Photoshop alternative.

So yeah, it's a no go for me. I do use Photoshop for "heavier" editing, but Lightroom does most of it and takes care of my sorting, cataloging, etc needs a lot better. Lightroom integrates nicely with Photoshop when I need to.

re-read the document that I posted above and took a closer look at @bunnspecial screenshot - Lightroom Classic is not yet supported natively on M1 ;(

Crap...first of all I don't know why Adobe had to rebrand the desktop app, and second, would you get along to it already? I forget that Lightroom CC is now a different product, and one I really don't desire to learn after years of using what's now Lightroom Classic, and going back to Lightroom 2.

Well you should. Memory is memory and M1 is not a RAM doubler. I don't understand why some Youtube influencers keep selling this MYTH! It's a MYTH that you can get by just with 8Gb of RAM working on D800 NEF files. Those are 33MP+ files. It's not like you're dealing with 8-12MP compressed JPEGs which is fine with 8Gb.

Unfortunately, it's way too late for me to change. I'm hoping that the next round will have a 32gb option.

BTW, I should be doing this on my MP 5,1, which has 88gb RAM...

 

[mollyc]

My iMac has 40 gb ram and it gets pokey sometimes. 🤷🏼‍♀️

 

[bsamcash]

Interesting that it works fine for you. This isn't a hypothetical for me of "will it be okay" but a real world "No, it's not okay" experience.

You need to download the version from the Mac App Store.

 

[jz0309]

My iMac has 40 gb ram and it gets pokey sometimes. 🤷🏼‍♀️

what year/processor is your iMac? mine is a 2017/i7 and I've been thinking to increase RAM from 24 to 40GB

 

[mollyc]

what year/processor is your iMac? mine is a 2017/i7 and I've been thinking to increase RAM from 24 to 40GB

Yes 2017. It’s the i7/4.2 one.

 

[mollyc]

@bunnspecial did you see LR got an update today?

Adobe Updates Illustrator, InDesign, and Lightroom Classic to Run Natively on M1 Macs

Adobe today announced the release of major updates across its Creative Cloud software suite. Most notably, its Illustrator, InDesign, and Lightroom Classic apps now run natively on Macs with the M1 chip, resulting in faster performance. Creative Cloud apps are on average over 80% faster on an...

forums.macrumors.com

 

[bunnspecial]

@bunnspecial did you see LR got an update today?

Adobe Updates Illustrator, InDesign, and Lightroom Classic to Run Natively on M1 Macs

Adobe today announced the release of major updates across its Creative Cloud software suite. Most notably, its Illustrator, InDesign, and Lightroom Classic apps now run natively on Macs with the M1 chip, resulting in faster performance. Creative Cloud apps are on average over 80% faster on an...

forums.macrumors.com

Thank you!

Unfortunately it seems like my CC app has decided to get buggy and won't actually let me update(or install) anything...now to figure that one out.

 

[mollyc]

Thank you!

Unfortunately it seems like my CC app has decided to get buggy and won't actually let me update(or install) anything...now to figure that one out.

oh that happens to me often. you have to delete the Creative Cloud app and then reinstall it. Seems dumb and somewhat time consuming, but it does the trick. Probably because I refuse to update CC and then it goes out of date, lol.

 

[Fravin]

Thank you!

Unfortunately it seems like my CC app has decided to get buggy and won't actually let me update(or install) anything...now to figure that one out.

Uninstall it via CC app.

And Install it again after a reboot.


I'm editing using Capture One wich is M1 optimised and I am shocked by the speed of it. Comparing to my i9 MBP15 it's faster:

Exporting 160 images: i9 1:15 M1 0:33
Importing 415 images: i9 2:40 M1 1:05

My friends using LR are reporting a boost in performance in this new version of LR.

 

[Fravin]

Memory is memory and M1 is not a RAM doubler.

You need to understand that ARM architecture is different than x86. You should know that.

The access to what is stored in RAM is totally different, in the M1 the RAM doesn't play like in the intel based Macs. Actually, the whole system is based on disk swap instead of RAM. Which in such a fast SSD environment is pretty equal to RAM speed.

Even the SSD speed access isn't equal to an intel based system. There's no BUS or PCIe BUS between them.

Besides that, the most interesting thing about those M1 Macs is the heat produced. They run cool, even at high loads. My Mac Mini's M1 runs dead silent!!

 

[bunnspecial]

Got it installed. I hadn't updated to 11.4, and it seems that was CC's problem as it worked immediately after rebooting with 11.4.

I'd tried deleting and reinstalling, etc, and still had the same issue.