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Like it or not, Apple needs Mac Pro.
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The OP is postulating that the apple needs a mac pro computer in the line up, and my question pertains to that. Apple is not returning to x86, so a comparison to xeon/threadripper only makes sense imo, is that apple comes out an Extreme version of the apple silicon which they were rumored to have been working on a few years ago, and that silicon has an architecture more suited for workstation usage.
would love to see some real life benchmarks for this, but it seems that M3 Ultra studio is the most powerful ARM workstation? Does anyone know if M chips are useful in embedded (automotive etc) ? I assume all of that runs on Linux?
Highlighting automotive cause I know the Ampere ARM workstations were marketed towards automotive sector
This is wrong on so many levels it will take a day to explain. How much GPU RAM does 4070 or 5090 support compared to Apple silicon Mac Studio? Apple isn’t going to go after high end Nvidia data center chips. It’s well placed in the workstation place that needs lot of GPU memory. And if Apple does need to compete in workstation markets, 5090 or even 4070 are’nt really workstation class GPUs according to Nvidia.
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So wrong.
GPU uses VRAM, not RAM. While it is an advantage over PC, does it really gives advantage for workstation? No. Besides, despite having a lot of space, the bandwidth is slower than RTX high-end GPU and workstations. The space is not everything.
How does Mac Studio compare to RTX 5090? It only performs up to RTX 4070TI mate. By your logic, how will it replace workstations when the GPU level isn't even near RTX 5090? How ironic.
No, they dont. After the transition and Mac Pro 2023, they no longer use them.
So wrong
There's a number of GPUs that use dram, including apple. Also people can use the term ram, to mean either dram, or vram, depending on the context. You missed that, I guess
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Storage extension is a big plus for Mac Pro if you need high end local storage. But then AMD intel provide more bang for the buck if storage is main criteria.
carry on! Ignorance is bliss. Good luck running models that need more than 32 GB on GPU. 5090x is useless when it runs out of memory.
Unfortunately there are no mid tier workstation solutions, and Nvidia gets crazy expensive as you start pushing higher memory requirements. I wanted to like spark, but it is like a beta product. Mac Pro is not gonna make AS faster at fp8.
You have lot more patience than me. With unified memory it doesn’t really matter as they are becoming interchangeable.
There are many tasks for GPU and yet, you only picked LLM and then say Apple is the best. Since when Apple is well known for AI? Ironic.
That’s your problem, I don’t even use it for LLMs. If you wnat to run LLM they are much cheaper cloud options than blowing money on Apple silicon or Nvidia.
If so, why not make Mac Pro then? You are justifying the current situation as if 512GB is the biggest that LLM can go. You logically failed.
I asked this already, what can a mac pro do that the studio cannot? You cannot use discrete GPUs, there's no NVMe expansion with apple silicon, no ram upgrades.
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I don’t care about LLM. Not sure what logic you are talking, it makes no sense when LLM is not even in the conversation nor I use them on MBP. Mac Pro outside of extending storage or additional Video cards isn’t any different than Mac Studio. honestly that market has moved on long time ago. My last Mac Pro was 2012, trash can might have just killed Mac Pro.