i'm seriously considering getting the 2020 mbp 10th gen, my 2015 13inch is chugging along but using zoom with 2 cores and other stuff running leave alot to be desire. but if there is a possibility of 11th gen, i would rather hold.
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likelyhood of intel 11th gen?
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Is there a percentage less than 0%? lol.
It's incredibly unlikely, especially for the 13". Besides the Mac Pro, which could possible get an Intel update in 21, I doubt we see any new Intel Macs after 2020. Whatever we get between now and the end of the year is likely it and the 13" MBP already got an Intel update in 2020.
If you're open to holding out wait for the announcements over the next couple of months, the current ones could get some price drops depending on what is announced. If not, you're probably safe to buy one of the 10th gen ones.
It's incredibly unlikely, especially for the 13". Besides the Mac Pro, which could possible get an Intel update in 21, I doubt we see any new Intel Macs after 2020. Whatever we get between now and the end of the year is likely it and the 13" MBP already got an Intel update in 2020.
If you're open to holding out wait for the announcements over the next couple of months, the current ones could get some price drops depending on what is announced. If not, you're probably safe to buy one of the 10th gen ones.
I'm planning on holding out for arm, since most of the task i do on my mbp is web python and MS office, right now i'm rocking a 2015 13inch, and its fine for the most part, just having a dual core in 2020 is a bit of a struggle, especially with using zoom.
That’s probably a better idea and that’s what I would do. I thought you wanted the last Intel MacBook Pro. We could see the first ARM MacBook Pro next month
i'm still evaluating by looking at my current usage, so far, its mostly chrome, ms office (2011), python web development, i think the arm should suit my need just fine, the only thing that i will be disappointed about is the lost of word 2011, it has a very useful notebook layout that has a build in recorder thats line based, then again i will lose that too if i get a 2020 mbp since it doesn't do mojave.
If the first ARM MBP 13" has less performance in cpu and gpu power than the new 11th gen it would be quite funny.
Apple's two year old A12Z processor is already on par with Intel's latest 10th gen chips. The first ARM Mac is going to blow Intel out of the water.
I rather wait and see what gets released and how it compares to anything else released on the market at that time.
I mean, sure but we know today how Apple's chips compare to the latest Intel chips. Intel have been making terrible improvements over the last decade, they aren't suddenly going to make a big enough jump to counter Apple. The only question is by how much Apple will be ahead.
The new 11th gen is actually making as much as x2 performance improvements in some areas. If anything, intel could win @ integrated gpu performance and that's something the 13" really needs.
We have to wait and see on that front but while the Tiger Lake CPUs that have been tested are being compared to other integrated graphics the rumours for the first 13” or 14” MacBook Pro suggest the graphics could be on par with the 16” MacBook Pro’s dedicated graphics. Still, as it stands Apple far surpasses Intel in the graphics arena too.
thats literally whats holding me back from the 10th gen, the 11 gen is just that much better with a die shrink as well.
It’s a bit difficult to estimate, but it seems that new Intel iGPU is about 30-50% faster than the A12Z in benchmarks. Which doesn’t worry me much, since it’s still 10watts vs 30watts. But Intel’s advances in GPU performance are undeniable. Tiger Lake is a great product in the x86 space.
To your original question, Tiger Lake has so far only been released in name only. It seems that it still take at least a month before actual laptops will hit the market. It is also possible that initial availability of these chips is going to be very scarse. The thing with Apple is that they need a lot of CPUs - since they only sell premium laptops. They use more high-end Intel CPUs than any other company - Dell and co bulk of sales are lower-end models. Basically, I don’t think that Intel will be able to deliver enough CPUs to power a 13” MBP until at least November.
At any rate, I’d say it’s 50/50. If there is a new MBP with Apple Silicon, a Tiger Lake model is unlikely. If all Apple releases is a lower-end Air or 12”, a Tiger Lake 13” is a real possibility. We should know by end of November.
Zoom shouldn't be taxing that much out of an Early 2015 13". I have that same laptop (albeit with 16GB of RAM and the 3.1GHz i7) and it's fine. Where you may have issue is if you're running with 8GB or less RAM and you are trying to run a ton of apps at once.
That being said, unless you need x86 in some capacity (Boot Camp or the ability to virtualize an x86 operating system), you are better off waiting. The 13" MacBook Pro is rumored to be among the first wave of Apple Silicon Macs to make the transition this year. Same goes for the MacBook Air (the Apple Silicon version of which may honestly put the Intel 13" MacBook Pros to shame if talk about the potential of the A14 family of SoCs [beyond the non-X/Z variant in the iPad Air and iPhones] is to be believed).
I would say that 11th Gen on any MacBook Pro, 13" MacBook Pro, 21.5" iMac, or Mac mini is extremely unlikely given that Apple will be able to produce and release Apple Silicon replacements to all of those machines imminently. It's the higher end Intel Macs that might get one more refresh in them (though I'm pretty sure we've already seen the last of the Intel 27" iMac releases with the 2020 models).
thats fine with me, i relegated any x86 to my desktop, so no compatibility issue if i switch fully to apple silicon
So, based on your discussion, I guess it's safe to assume that 11th gen on 16" MBP will GREATLY reduce the heat issues we are experiencing, correct?
Bro, I used to have a minimum of 50 Safari tabs open, alongside Mail, Messages, Notes, Calendar, and Reminders on the regular with 8GB of RAM and on a 2012 13" i5 Retina rocking Mojave. You can't tell me that 16GB of RAM on an Early 2015 13" Retina is not accommodating of such a use case when that's the same use case I use mine for.
In any event, if the 13" MacBook Pro is what you want; you're better off waiting a couple months for the Apple Silicon replacement which is due out within the next month and a half unless you need Boot Camp or x86 virtualization. If you do need those things, buy now. Otherwise, wait. 11th Gen is likely not launching on a 13" MacBook Pro, let alone any Mac.
i dont know what to say then, cause 20 tabs on chrome and 10 tabs on safari, it gets sluggish here and there.
as i stated above, i'll probably wait for the apple silicon mbp. having more than 12 hours of battery would be life changing enough.
I mean, you may have a memory leak somewhere. RAM doesn't die super often on Macs with soldered-on RAM, but you could always have a logic board that is in the process of dying. Same with storage.