Lion/ML haters post here, has Lion evolved?

Discussion in 'OS X Mountain Lion (10.8)' started by LeandrodaFL, Aug 24, 2012.

  1. LeandrodaFL macrumors 6502a

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    The reason I did not upgade from Snow Leopard is the lack of Exposé and Spaces...but now we have TotalSpaces. And I can live with a overlaped exposé. As far as I know, you can choose to clasic scroll up/down, and activate the......well, activation ligths on the running applications. Also, there are apps that allow you to choose the way you want mutli-touch gestures


    Anything I should know to stop me from upgrading?
     
  2. ThatGreekMacGuy, Aug 25, 2012
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    Well, I regret upgrading to Lion. It was a bad choice. However, Mountain Lion brought back the "snappiness" of Snow Leopard to my iMac. Many users admit that Mountain Lion is even faster than Snow Leopard. Twitter and later Facebook integration are pretty damn great. RAM management is better than ever. YES, you must download Mountain Lion. Only a few don't like it. But, remember after some months many applications will not support Snow Leopard as it's a 3 year old operating system. It's like sticking to Windows XP. It's outdated; even though it's really good. Don't hold yourself back. I don't blame you for not getting Lion since Snow Leopard was still a "fresh" OS back then and Lion sucked. However, I don't get why someone would stick to a 3 year old OS, while there's a new OS with the same (or better) performance with many improvements and new features at such a low price! It's the cheapest price for a new OS. Please, install Mountain Lion and you'll feel like you got a new Mac.

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  3. Krazy Bill macrumors 68030

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    I am so sick of that word. :(

    Then they're deluding themselves. :)

    But MS supports their legacy OS's for up to 10 years. :eek:

    Spaces/Expose' are separate. Use one, the other or both. (Plus they actually make sense and work with the keyboard).

    Save/Save As

    BetterTouchTool gives "Lion-esque" gestures.

    Front Row

    No Twitter/FB baked into the OS.

    Better Battery life.

    Dual monitors.

    ... just to name a few. :)
     
  4. chrono1081 macrumors 604

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    Lion was OK for me, but I love Mountain Lion.

    I'm actually upgrading the Mac Pro in my sig from Snow Leopard to Mountain Lion today.

    After running lots of tests on all the software I use and making sure it was compatible I'm going to upgrade.

    I actually prefer Mission Control to spaces since it provides the same functionality without the limit of 16 desktops. I'm a huge multitasker and find Mission Control a bit faster.
     
  5. Badagri macrumors 6502

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    ...and still getting security updates. As I updated XP earlier this week.
     
  6. snoylekim macrumors member

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    MS has a huge enterprise market they need to support.. and a lot of enterprises still run XP .. Apple was never really in that space in a big ( or even medium) way , although there are quite a few small businesses that run OS X . I predict Win 7 will have almost as long of a runway as XP does ..
     
  7. LeandrodaFL thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    I actually run XP too, but i stoped with the updates as I dont have internet in it, simply for gaming, and i dont do online gaming.

    I hate XP, was one of the reasons I went to Leopard and now Snow Leopard

    Apparently, Onebettertouch is for lion too, and "lion designer" and "totalspaces" may bring some functionality, i guess im gonna have to try it for like 1 entire hour in a store. There is also a app for bringing color to the finder.

    Anyway, I wont upgrade on current hardware. I dont mins using a OS 3 or 8 years old. But I do like current hardware. so I may upgrade when the haswell processors hit the Macintosh next year

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    Windows 8 will be the doom of MS in OS, I believe we will have near to 100% swithcers when new people have to choose between a laptop with Windows 8 or OS X. The newbies are gonna look at the home screen and think "Im gonna go with Mac, its more like windows"

    thanks god for Xbox...at least this will save them
     
  8. snoylekim macrumors member

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    Win 8 and consumer reaction will be interesting .. they've got time to figure out the Enterprise approach, as I don't think Win 7 versus XP is even 70% in that arena yet .. but, some of that area is getting the 'bring your own device' and cloud related dimensions .. we live in interesting times ..
     
  9. golf1410 macrumors 6502a

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    Really want battery life back ever since these OS took it away.
     
  10. SlCKB0Y macrumors 68040

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    Firstly, Microsoft had to extend support for XP because Vista was so bad and OEMs kept installing XP even as late as 2007/8.

    They also only managed 3 desktop major releases in a 10 year period. Not much to support really.
     
  11. Krazy Bill macrumors 68030

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    I bought a MBP in May of '11. Two months later the OS it came with was defunct - no more updates, not even bug tweaks. The ink was barley dry on the disk. Microsoft will never do this. Apple gets away with it simply because of the smaller, (and largely insignificant) OSX user base. (A user base I remind you that would be even smaller if Macs couldn't bootcamp or virtualize into Windows).

    I'm just saying there are reasons MS Windows is the preferred OS and not all of them are bad ones. :)
     
  12. SlCKB0Y macrumors 68040

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    Are you able to back this up? I mean your use of the word "preferred"? If I don't buy a Mac it's very hard to buy a pre-built machine which does not come with Windows.

    It's not my preferred OS there just isn't any other choice.
     
  13. Krazy Bill macrumors 68030

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    You really want me to dredge up sales and installation numbers of Windows users vs. OSX? :eek: And if I did... would you be saying those numbers aren't indicative of what the masses want?

    Well, it's pretty much impossible to buy a Mac that doesn't come with OSX. :) I don't understand you. More people buy Windows machines than macs. Each buyer knows what each has to offer so unless those buyers have guns held to their heads that sounds like a "preference" to me.

    Then why is the world buying more Macs knowing they can run both OSX and Windows?
     
  14. SlCKB0Y, Aug 26, 2012
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    Desktop operating systems are basically a duopoly and Macs come at a premium price. Suppose I can't afford to pay extra for a Mac - This is a valid constraint on a lot of people.

    What are my options? I can buy a machine with Windows on it. How can you talk about sales figures equaling preference when then is no other option?

    What about if I go to work and have a Windows computer forced on me? I get counted a second time in your installation base figures.

    Because there is no other real option my purchase of a Windows machine is not an expression of my preference. Because I go to work and have to use a Windows machine this is not an expression of my preference.

    Windows having its massive share of the desktop market is due to many things, but "user preference" comes in at a distant third or fourth as to the reasons why this has occurred.
     
  15. Krazy Bill macrumors 68030

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    You crack me up. :D You're insisting that everyone "prefers" OSX but 8/10 machines have Windows on them because these people:

    1.) are forced to buy windows PC's (for whatever reason) or...
    2.) are forced to use windows PC's.

    Those poor bastards! :D So, nobody actually likes Windows? Wow. What a sanctimonious conclusion you've come to.

    Holy crap. I can't believe I'm in a Windows vs. OSX thread in a mac fanboy forum.
     
  16. LeandrodaFL thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    Thats exactly true actually. I dont know the real number but I bet 99% of Windows users are unware of what a Mac is, and 99% who discover mac (and can afford it), make the switch.

    People do know there is a company named Apple and they do know there is something out there called Macintosh, but they dont know what OS X is, they have never used. They simply dont know.
     
  17. z06gal macrumors 6502

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    The first thing I do when I buy a computer with Windows on it is remove it in favor of Linux. If I need Windows for anythng, I run it in virtualbox. I hate Windows but that is just me ;)
     
  18. Rik. macrumors newbie

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    The experts might love Mountain Lion but as a newbie, I hate it.

    Some programmes, like CandyBar, don't work.

    I don't really care how much faster it is, and how magnificently the RAM may be being handled.
    If you can't do what you used to be able to do, then that's bad, in my opinion.
     
  19. red-eight macrumors newbie

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    That's ridiculous logic - it's like saying that 99% of the people who drive Toyotas do so because they are unaware of what a Porsche is. By that reasoning, 99% of people who "discover" Porsche (and can afford it), would "make the switch." Yet in real life, a huge portion of affluent people drive non-premium cars, for good reasons such as maintenance expense, etc. Yes, many people don't buy Apple products because price is a discriminating factor. But that's the same for ANY premium product.
     
  20. Krazy Bill macrumors 68030

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    How ludicrous. Every bit of it. So Macs are the world's best kept secret? This just keeps getting better. :D
     
  21. Tubamajuba macrumors 68000

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    Well, let me give my take on this.

    Windows 7 is a great operating system. Even Windows XP still gets the job done for many people. But it is still valid to point out that Windows is preinstalled on every sub-$999 laptop and every sub-$599 desktop computer. Which, let's face it, is the majority of the modern personal computing market.

    Of course, Apple has no problem with this. They would rather make more money selling fewer Macs than sell tons of Macs with razor-thin profit margins.

    But from a consumer point of view, market share doesn't affect the quality of the OS. Many, many people have either never used OS X or have used it so infrequently that they might as well have never used it anyways. Since Windows is the predominant OS, Windows is the only thing most people know. Well, what if all Windows users with little Mac experience tried OS X for just an hour? Which operating system would more people prefer?

    And there it ends. That last question is extremely hypothetical, and therefore doesn't have an easy answer. All we can look at is anecdotal evidence and market share. Anecdotal evidence (as in, people who have extensively used both operating systems) tends to favor OS X, while market share favors Windows in a landslide.

    My point is that it's reasonable to point out that very few people really know what Macs have to offer, but it's equally as reasonable to point out that even if more people *did* know, things may not necessarily be different.
     
  22. LeandrodaFL thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    Sounds bad but its true. May I point that information does not run equally across nations? There are dudes in my country who never touched a computer, who still lives in tribes.

    If you ask my 40 classmates, around 30 never touched a Mac and dont know what OS X is, altought they do know that Apple makes ipods.

    either way, as of today, Apple has gained attention, but still, many people think Windows is the only way to talk to a computer. May not be like that where you live, but take a look at the rest of the world
     
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    A friend of mine is an RN and has been using a computer for years at the hospital. She called me last week about her laptop which has Windows 7 on it and told me it wasn't working right. I asked her a few questions one of which was what browser she uses. After a moment of silence she said, "Is bing a choice?" Most people have no clue what an operating system even is.
     
  25. SlCKB0Y, Aug 26, 2012
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    You clearly can't read properly, or you're trolling.

    At no point did I ever say that everyone preferred OS X, and at no point did I even logically imply that.

    You implied that Microsoft Windows had such a high market share because it is the preferred OS of the people who use it.

    My argument was that the means by which Windows attained its near monopoly was more to do with Microsofts business tactics and less to do with peoples preferences.

    Can I ask how old you are? Do you actually remember the '90s?

    Let me make this really simple for you, since I think I need to in order for you to understand the concept of "preference" in a duopoly. Imagine instead of computers we are talking about t-shirts.

    These t-shirts only come in two types, light blue and dark blue. Now, the light blue t-shirt cost up to two times more than a dark blue t-shirt and other than having nicer stitching and cotton, it is functionally identical to the dark blue t-shirt.

    About 90% of t-shirts sold are dark blue t-shirts and about 10% of them are light blue t-shirts.

    So, it turns out that not everyone has enough money to justify paying extra just for nicer cotton and stitching. By default these people have to buy a dark blue t-shirt. Does this mean that these people prefer dark blue?

    Answer: No it does not mean they "prefer" dark blue, it means they have no other choice.

    Some people really don't care about the t-shirt quality, the colour or t-shirts in general. Their primary concern is that they need a t-shirt. Since they do not care about any other variable, they get the cheaper dark blue t-shirt.

    Does this mean they prefer dark blue t-shirts?

    Answer: No, colour preference was not a factor in their decision making process only cost was.

    Imagine the only store they can get to sells light-blue t-shirts. These people are forced to spend extra money to buy the light blue t-shirt. Does this mean they prefer the light blue t-shirt?

    Answer: No it does not mean they "prefer" light blue, it means they have no other choice.

    Imagine a child brought up only with dark-blue t-shirts. His parents wore dark blue t-shirts, when he went to his friends place his friends only wore dark blue t-shirts and when it came time to get a job he had to wear dark blue t-shirts. Does the child prefer dark blue t-shirts or have they just not been exposed to other kinds of t-shirts? Since everyone else wears dark-blue is it just easier to get dark blue?

    Are you starting to see what is happening here? Hint: dark blue = Windows computers and light blue = Macs.

    Do you like ice cream? I can do this analogy in vanilla and chocolate if you think it will help you.
     

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