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Smigit

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Isn't pixar render farms run on unix or Linux?

I work in IT and having different vms for three versions of windows is great.

Vmware esx runs all our our mission critical servers so I like this technology
Likely, but the original post was regarding a workstation. Could quite feasibly have Windows based development tools that offload processing to a linux based server farm if the application allowed for it I imagine.

But yeah, for IT and development virtual machines are a must.
 

rush0

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Does Fusion have any remoting functionality built in? It would be nice if I could remote in to a lion vm?
 

infomatique

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Feb 4, 2006
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How does one actually install Lion

Maybe I am missing something?
As I do not have an physical disk I cannot work out how to install Lion on a VMWare VM.
Has anyone actually done this and if so can you please advise.
 

arkmannj

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This may not be a big deal for a lot of people but I noticed with Fusion 4, that my mac's boot up and shutdown times got much better (quicker). I switched to verbose bootup/shutdown and noticed that all the vmware services I used to see during startup/shutdown were no longer taking time to load/unload.

I also checked Activity monitor and there's no VMWare processes running when Fusion isn't running.

A minor but very noticeable improvement.

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Does Fusion have any remoting functionality built in? It would be nice if I could remote in to a lion vm?

Yes under the "advanced" settings for your VM. It uses the VNC protocol.

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Maybe I am missing something?
As I do not have an physical disk I cannot work out how to install Lion on a VMWare VM.
Has anyone actually done this and if so can you please advise.

Making a bootable Lion Disk

you can either go as far as to make a disk, or just as far as extracting the InstallESD.dmg file, and connect your VM's CD drive to the disk image. (or do the VM Ware install process and when it asks for a cd/image point to the InstallESD.dmg file.)
 

HowieR32

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Half price Parallels 7 for $29.99 (upgrade from Fusion 3)

I upgraded Fusion 3 to Parallels 7 via the Parallels 'switch & upgrade - Double the Speed for Half the Price' offer. The upgrade is $29.95 AUD. (or $29.99 USD). You need to enter your VMware Fusion 3 license key to obtain the offer. (you could just get any old Fusion Key online to get the offer)

http://www.parallels.com/products/desktop/vmwareoffer/form/

Enjoy!
 

gunkthruster

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Jul 9, 2011
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That article you pointed out mentions making a bootable DVD for Lion, but that's for the folks that went from SL to Lion. I bought my Mini 2011 with Lion pre-installed. How would I visualize Lion then?





This may not be a big deal for a lot of people but I noticed with Fusion 4, that my mac's boot up and shutdown times got much better (quicker). I switched to verbose bootup/shutdown and noticed that all the vmware services I used to see during startup/shutdown were no longer taking time to load/unload.

I also checked Activity monitor and there's no VMWare processes running when Fusion isn't running.

A minor but very noticeable improvement.

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Yes under the "advanced" settings for your VM. It uses the VNC protocol.

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Making a bootable Lion Disk

you can either go as far as to make a disk, or just as far as extracting the InstallESD.dmg file, and connect your VM's CD drive to the disk image. (or do the VM Ware install process and when it asks for a cd/image point to the InstallESD.dmg file.)
 

arkmannj

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That article you pointed out mentions making a bootable DVD for Lion, but that's for the folks that went from SL to Lion. I bought my Mini 2011 with Lion pre-installed. How would I visualize Lion then?

hmmm, I haven't tried that before. (I haven't purchased a machine with Lion preinstalled) can you go into the app store and see lion as a purchased app)
you might be able to option click the "Purchased" button, then option-click on the Lion "Installed" or "update" button. for some people that has worked to (re)download Lion.

hope that helps.
 

Eddyisgreat

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Maybe I am missing something?
As I do not have an physical disk I cannot work out how to install Lion on a VMWare VM.
Has anyone actually done this and if so can you please advise.

Did yours come preinstalled on your machine?

Some people are saying that the EULA prohibits virtualization unless you actually by a copy from the app store (which will offer you a disk image to use).
 

chrono1081

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Isn't pixar render farms run on unix or Linux?

I work in IT and having different vms for three versions of windows is great.

Vmware esx runs all our our mission critical servers so I like this technology

Yes Pixar is Linux. In fact, Marionette, their proprietary animation tool is Linux only from what I've read. Weta Digital too has linux render farms, I read about it in an article that talked about the supercomputers Weta has and how NVidia developed a custom solution for them in order to finish Avatar on time.

Heres a screen shot of Marionette if anyone is interested, notice thats not a Windows box:
 

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IconicM

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Jan 30, 2011
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The laptop I bought was $299 (no tax or shipping charge). Parallels was almost $200. Why pay to put Windows on an existing computer when you can have redundancy by having Windows on a separate laptop?

Everyone's needs are different. My need was to be able to run one program that was Windows-only, and figured it'd be good to get a separate machine and have Windows on its own piece of hardware.

It didn't seem right for me to pay almost $200 to put something on an existing computer bought in 2009, when I could have a backup computer in case anything happened.

I remember when the Dodge Neon first came out (circa 1994) and it was selling like hot cakes.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d6/Chrysler_Neon_2001_by_a_Norwegian_fjord.JPG

I was working at a ford dealership at that time. Fords immediate response was to print a pamphlet saying that their combined products (Escort and Fiesta) were better than the Neon, it gave the neon a "1-2 punch". It sounded so asinine! Who was going to buy two cars instead of one? Well I guess I might have my answer, hehe.

Just kidding, of course. Some people would rather have the security of two computers, but most would rather have the convenience of one.
 

JAT

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Dec 31, 2001
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Because VMware chooses not to offer upgrade pricing discounts.
They have in the past, including competitive upgrades. I bought v3 for $10 last year as a competitive upgrade from Parallels. I believe that was a special price at the time, but there were upgrade prices regardless.
 

Melkorr

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Jan 18, 2008
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I saw a note on the vmware website when checking my own licensing o vmware 3, can't remember where it was that said the Fusion 3 upgrade path would become available the week of September 19,2011
Yes, I logged into my account on the vmware site and it said the same thing.
I bought v3 in May but got the 1 year of product upgrades with it. I was looking for the license serial # for v4 but it's not ready yet.
 

Shivetya

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Make me think to buy it and try it. I am sick of Parallels and theirs constant upgrades without much of justification for it. An upgrade cost as much as new Vmware.

VM Ware is no different, other than a lower version number they treat existing customers the same as Parallels treats theirs.
 

movielad

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Dec 19, 2005
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VM Ware is no different, other than a lower version number they treat existing customers the same as Parallels treats theirs.

I've given it some thought. While the figures are rough estimations (I've not gone through my invoices yet, but based on current upgrade prices), if I had stuck with Parallels since the early days (and stopped at version 4), I'd have spent well over £200 in upgrades to version 7. For VMWare Fusion this works around around £100 or so up to version 4.

The VMware Fusion team were considerably smaller than that of Parallels. But at least VMware didn't promise to include new features and say they'd be released through a free update before rolling out a paid update with those features. In terms of improvements, VMware have rolled out better performance within a lower number of point or major releases than Parallels (and overall in less releases at that - whereas Parallels have been updateupdateupdateupdate constantly and as such, more money to pay them for the upgrades).

Martyn
 

movielad

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Dec 19, 2005
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Surrey
The reason you see Linux is because its much better than Windows at handling huge amounts of data (amongst other things). Programs like Mari, Houdini, and many other 3D modeling apps come out for Linux first, then go to Mac since its easier to port between the two, and then eventually make their way to Windows. My last job had some teams of artists in one part of the building and the ones stuck on the win boxes actually went to their bosses to ask for linux boxes so their projects wouldn't crash all the time. Management agreed and they all got linux boxes and they've been happy ever since.

The downside to this was that many software vendors insisted that you ran and standardised on Red Hat Enterprise Linux to ensure consistency between configurations and standard software bundled with the distro. RHEL costs money to license. I'd suspect that many studios kept older (non-Enterprise) versions of Red Hat or Fedora on their workstations and renderfarms and then upgraded to CentOS when that become more widely available. Some studios ran SuSE. Not many ran Debian from what I can recall.

Some people may ask: but why didn't you deploy Macs? Well, we did. But they were such a pain in the arse to integrate within the existing network infrastructure due to the changes that Apple made with certain protocols. You could work around them, but it wasn't easy. Thankfully Apple have improved a bit on that front since. Quicktime .MOV files were the de facto video file format for dailies and whatnot and it worked across the entire range of machines and OSes (Linux, Mac and Windows).

Of course Apple also gave the VFX world the compositing package, Shake. Even under Apple's regime they kept the Linux version going (alongside the Mac version) - until Apple decided enough was enough and discontinued it. But Apple at least allowed customers to buy the source code to continue developing it internally and to develop plugins ,etc.

Virtualisation on the desktop, for us, only became necessary when Adobe started to add stuff to Photoshop and also do weird stuff with licensing. Thats when VMWare came in on Linux and thankfully they allowed commercial use of their free Player product.

When I went to work for a VFX software development company (who make the excellent Mocha product), we went the other way. The build system ran off an Xserve running Parallels Server. Worked very well all things considered, but ruddy expensive. It was just that they were the first company to exploit virtualisation for OS X.

That said my overall preference for desktop and server virtualisation over the years has undoubtably been VMware. They have been consistent, helpful and while slightly annoying in some areas - they've been considerably more sane about things than Parallels has ever been.

Martyn
 

Woodbags

macrumors newbie
Aug 12, 2011
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Can any VMWare fusion guru's help me out?

I setup a Windows 7 bootcamp partition before I got VMWare Fusion, I now use Fusion to access this VM with little or no problems.

Would it be in my interest to remove the bootcamp partition and run the VM from the same HDD as OS X. At the moment I am unable to drag and drop files between VMWare and OS X.

Would I see performance improvement or would it be a lot of work for no benefit.

I will probably be upgrading to Fusion 4 and was thinking about doing this at the same time.
 

acidblue

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Jun 17, 2009
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Roswell, GA (unfortunately)
I'll answer why you would run Lion Virtually...

Why would you want to run a virtual machine running lion, if you're already running lion?

Virtualization isn't just for running Windows applications. There are many other (and intended) uses (this is not an exhaustive list).

1) Software developers test their software on VMs to guarantee compatibility. Sometimes developers modify core system functionality and its much easier to test this functionality in a VM because if the software trashes the system there is nothing to lose.

2) Quality assurance groups use VMs to test software on controlled environments. This allows them to quickly obtain an operating system that has not been tampered with and validate their target software works.

3) Businesses might want to use a VM to guarantee that their current suite of applications will work on the new OS without having to modify current systems.

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I've never seen the reason for a VM running Windows on a Mac because the price is almost the same as just buying a low-end laptop with Windows 7.

For school, I needed windows and looked into Parallels and realized that for a few dollars more, I could just buy a separate Toshiba laptop. At least this allows for redundancy because if one computer breaks, I have another.

With a VM, if your Mac breaks, it breaks and that's it.

Yeah, you go ahead and carry two notebooks then. :eek:
 

Smigit

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Virtualization isn't just for running Windows applications. There are many other (and intended) uses (this is not an exhaustive list).
a 4th is you may have a need to run multiple machines of various configurations. If you have a single piece of hardware that can manage multiple systems, it may make sense to virtualise them rather than having multiple independent computers.

Thats quite applicable for servers and has several benefits such as being able to dynamically allocate different machines resources at the drop of a hat (such as RAM allocations) without needing to open up a physical box and to move memory chips.

One example I can think of is I began work at a new company and at the time they didn't have a spare desktop workstations for me and one other member (was on order). Rather than do development on the rather old laptops they had sitting around they set us up each a virtual machine on a server that had 24gigs of RAM and allocated us resources on that to share and I remoted in over the network.

Now days I may use it in a windows environment to develop for a small virtual network that will have a virtualised Active Directory Controller, Exchange Controller and an SQL Server box.
 

D.T.

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Sep 15, 2011
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Virtualization isn't just for running Windows applications. There are many other (and intended) uses (this is not an exhaustive list).

1) Software developers test their software on VMs to guarantee compatibility. Sometimes developers modify core system functionality and its much easier to test this functionality in a VM because if the software trashes the system there is nothing to lose.

2) Quality assurance groups use VMs to test software on controlled environments. This allows them to quickly obtain an operating system that has not been tampered with and validate their target software works.

3) Businesses might want to use a VM to guarantee that their current suite of applications will work on the new OS without having to modify current systems.

VM on a desktop has been a huge benefit for me for all the reasons you outlined. I have a VM image of different client desktop configs, I can fire up, and cross check app compatibility (particularly nice if you need to cross check IE versions).

I keep a backup of the VM image (with a completed install/setup), so if the machine grenades for any reason, it's as simple as replacing the image with my master copy.

I'm another person who has to run a couple of MS apps professionally (mainly VS and some DB tools), but prefer to do all my other computing in OSX. VMs have been awesome, plus [like above] is gives me an immediately recoverable OS from an image backup. I also love being able to fire up different server backend environments on the fly (I've got pre-configured Windows Servers w/ SQL 2K5/2K8, Oracle 11g, etc.)

I'm using Parallels because I really liked coherence mode (vs. running in a self-contained OS window). However, I'm only on V6, and with the upgrade being $50, I figured I'd re-evaluate VMWare. I don't see anything that indicates Fusion has a "coherence-like" mode[?] Any other compelling features of VMWare vs. Parallels? My Parallels has been very stable, so I'm always hesitant to upgrade, let alone migrate to an alternate solution.

I wanted to add I'm also still on SL, and I figure I'll be doing the upgrade to Lion about the same time (so one or the other VM may be much better on Lion).

Thanks!
 

cuestakid

macrumors 68000
Jun 14, 2006
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Maybe I am missing something?
As I do not have an physical disk I cannot work out how to install Lion on a VMWare VM.
Has anyone actually done this and if so can you please advise.

If you did not back-up the DMG when you downloaded Lion, you may be able to do it with the lion recovery utility that you can get from the Apple site-though this could be tricky, since you would likely need to first create the recovery disk, then create a DMG from that.

The only other option I can think of would be to create a SL VM, then re-download Lion.

I will admit that at least so far, I have not seen any suggestions or instructions from Vmware, which I find a bit concerning, as I would think they would be smart enough to give us a better instructions.

http://support.apple.com/kb/DL1433
 

Fry-man22

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I still firmly believe that when you need a VM with a second desktop OS in it, then you are basically walking with a crutch and your preferred host operating system was not the right choice for you.

You believe incorrectly. First off there are a LOT of IT people that work on Windows VMs running on WINDOWS virtual hosts. What does this say about the preferred host OS? It says nothing because the benefits of virtualization extend beyond the OS choice.

VM Ware makes an Enterprise VM product (ESX) that runs a "bare-metal" install with no OS but it still uses a Linux distro at a low level. This tells me that they felt the 'nix base was better than an NT base.

I never think about my drive spinning for no reason in windows anymore because it doesn't happen. I can't remember the last time I rebuilt my VM OS - never got an "NTFS.sys not found" or comparable error. My windows VM on my Mac consistently shows better throughput and resource management than native Windows intalls. I can boot/shutdown or resume/sleep my VM faster than a native windows install so if my crutch lets me walk faster than you then I'll take the crutch.

A VM on a Mac is the only way we will see an instant resume Windows in the next 2 years. I can shut the lid on my Mac and go to a meeting and when I open it my VM is ready to go. Funny how my crutch can do that and MS can't do it on a native install - it's almost like there is some sort of benefit to Windows not touching the hardware.

I can drag and drop files between the VM and the host, even when the VM is off I can mount the image and retrieve any files I need. In your two computer world you are using USB key, need a network, and probably even need to boot up another box - let's hope you don't need a power cord because now your that guy with two laptops out and wires running everywhere. Yeah man, that's a smooth solution you have there.

Redundant? You know that means you have two of the same thing. You have one mac and one PC so you have Zero redundancy - you just have two disparate objects. I have my VM backed up to 2 external drives. If something did happen to my Mac I can copy that VM file to any computer running a VMWare host (Linux, Windows, Mac), hit play, and now I'm up and running again in the time it take to copy the file. All my app, files, and settings EXACTLY the same as before. That ability to repeat the same setup no matter what is redundant, your setup is just "dundant"...

Another thing, why the hell would I want to use a cheap POS windows PC when I've got a MBP? Again, let's bench my VM windows against your crap-top, betcha it's not close. If I've spent the $$$$ on the hardware I'm going to use it, you'd have to spend much more than $500 to get comparable specs to the mac.
 

gyorpb

macrumors member
Sep 15, 2011
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Amsterdam
Thanks for this :D In case anyone is interested, this promo code works for the US as well. Drops the price from $49.99 to $39.99.
FYI, it works in the EU (i.e., in my case, NL), too. Tip for EU customers: buy in USD, rather than EUR; VMWare's exchange rate is skewed in their advantage. At least it was at the time of my purchase, so I recommend you check exchange rates with PayPal or your credit card company before purchasing and checking them against VMWare's.

.tsooJ
 
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