Lion Server 10.7

Discussion in 'Mac OS X Server, Xserve, and Networking' started by jmggs, Nov 8, 2010.

  1. jmggs macrumors regular

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    Apple have discontinued XServer there are no news about Lion Server , anybody know anything about that?


    i work in a tv channel with Fork and alot of XServer this is bad. will apple realize tools to Linux or Windows Server to mange Mac Clients?
     
  2. Winni macrumors 68030

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    Nobody except for Steve Jobs really knows at this point, so we can only make guesses. Here is my guess:

    There won't be a Mac OS X Lion server. Snow Leopard Server will get some additional support and lifetime and whatever "enterprise" tools Apple had will be ported to Microsoft Windows Server.

    Over the next couple of years, Apple will be offering an increased amount of cloud services (guess what that new data center in North Carolina will be doing) and more and more parts of the Mac computing "experience" will wander off to Apple's cloud.

    From Apple's perspective, you won't be needing any local servers anymore. But then again, Apple does NOT focus on business or enterprise customers AT ALL. At least not with their Mac product line - and the iGadgets are already supported quite well with Windows products.
     
  3. Consultant macrumors G5

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  4. ThisIsNotMe macrumors 68000

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    Screw enterprise.

    This is going to kill some on the inroads Apple has been making in education.
     
  5. netdog macrumors 603

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  6. jhawkroche macrumors newbie

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    Apple stated they are going to have a Lion Server edition
     
  7. mmcxiiad macrumors 6502

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    I am 100% positive that many key people at apple know the answer to this question. Both as management and/or programmers. The important part is, none of them are talking so we don't know what goes on at the inner workings of Apple.

    Ok, most of what comes next has nothing to do with the question that started this thread, but somehow reading that little statement by Winni made got me thinking:

    To coin a Dennis Miller phrase "Now I don't want to get on a rant here, but".....

    I think often times it is easy to assume that Steve Jobs = Apple & Apple = Steve Jobs. In many aspects this has been historically true, but over the last few years Apple has very subtly shifted away from this philosophy.

    Whether it be due to health or just gearing people up to understand that the company is bigger then just SJ, there have been many things that have happened publicly to transition both the public perception and the stock market that should SJ no longer be a part of apple for one reason or another, apple is going to be in good hands.

    Some examples:

    • SJ very rarely is involved with earning calls. Leaves that for Tim Cook and Peter Oppenheimer

    • SJ has shared the keynote stage more frequently. Phil Shiller and Scott Forstall have both shared the spot light with SJ - Phil even soloed the last Macworld keynote.

    • Twice Tim Cook has been deligated the day to day operations of Apple.

    My opinion... there won't be one guy who can fill Steve's "New Balance" shoes, but a collection of key individuals that pick up where he will leave off.
    For example Jony Ive has the same impeccable sense of design and taste for beautiful products.

    Also, the first time I watch Scott Forstall take part in a keynote address, I thought that he was the Steve Jobs "Mini Me". He has the same sense of tone and delivery. Go back and watch him introduce time machine at WWDC 2006 to see what I mean. Forstall isn't identical, but his style of presentation is very similar to SJ... of course that doesn't necessarily mean that he would be the new face of Apple. Phil Shiller has been a very public part of the company for years - almost assuming the cool uncle role of the company.

    Then you have Tim Cook & Peter Oppenheimer. Don't kid yourself, these are the two guys who have been running the day to day business aspects of apple for years.... and running it very well.

    Look, the sad truth is one day for what ever reason, SJ is going to permanently retire from apple. While apple may not openly state thier sucsession plan, I am 100% POSITIVE that they have one. Unlike the debacle that occured when SJ was fired (relieved of duties/quit/whatever) from Apple, the company is prepared to go on should and when that day comes. They are a very strong company now and while the loss of a visionary like Jobs will be a huge blow (to both Apple and the tech industry as a whole), it won't be fatal.

    "Of course, that's just my opinion, I could be wrong>"
    </rant>


    Well after all that, here is SJ's statement on the the server version of OSX.
     
  8. calimedic911 macrumors newbie

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    In the Dev cirquit, there has not been an announcement of Lion Server. however there has not been anything saying there will NOT be one either. pretty much everything is speculation at this point.

    Based on the market, there very much MAY be a space for lion.server to fill as mentioned in some of the other posts on here. Until the great apple marketing wheel gets moving however we are all equally in the dark.

    Sean B
     
  9. Kenrik macrumors 6502

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    If I hear one more person say that OSX Server can be "moved to the cloud" I'm going to slap them. Tell me how you're going to deal with multi gig HD Video files "in the cloud" ? Open Directory/San/Xgrid etc.. are not products that can be moved off of physical hardware in your business.

    For someone who only uses OSX Server for Mail/Web/SQL it might "seem" like it's possible to move "to the cloud" But anyone who has worked as a designer or video editor for a large company that REQUIRES heavy duty hardware knows better.

    You can run OSX Server on a few Mac Pros with Fiberchannel and a SAN solution to handle Video and Design tasks without a problem. Fact is Apple realized that OSX server was really only being used at TV stations, Advertising Agencies and smaller design shops and did not need the server to be rackmounted. Either OSX Server is here to stay or Apple is going to throw away it's core customers.
     
  10. DeepIn2U macrumors 68040

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    REALLY?! That's odd.
    Many universities that run iTunes U have a server or a few running in production environment. To run Podcast Producer - the full editing suite - you require OSX Server.

    TO the host - XServe was discontinued, not OS X Server (at least thus far).

    I don't think a CLOUD server inclusive is the best solution. Many corporate/enterprise outfits have firewalls (ASA's etc) that block specific ports & connections that would NOT be suited for outside cloud services:
    - to connect to multiple servers (Exchange, SQL Server, Oracle, Citrix, etc).
    - connect to multiple workstations (though this is done with Symantec's PCAnywhere for WinXP/Vista/7 - the latter not completely or config is wrong).
    - what about specific VPN solutions? Not all of these would work well especially RSA hard tokens or software tokens on the client (I'm unsure if software clients can be installed/available for OS X client).

    There is more the think about before stepping in place of Apple's official announcement and stating their going to the cloud completely. Apple is VERY strong right now and I don't think its the right time to fold to Microsoft in the enterprise push. They can still do this with integrity and class. Heck call the server business another name entirely via the OS and brand. Bring back the Lisa!!
     
  11. DeepIn2U macrumors 68040

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    Bravo ... well said. I saw the same thing in Scott Forstall as you did (and MANY in that crowd at WWDC 2006). Wow I still feel that was yesterday.

    Phil Shiller - is loosing weight (yes I got pounded on here about that) and getting more muscular. It's a physical strength in the industry that is beginning to transend financial/business savvy strengths (Sergei Brin of Google over the last few years has bulked up as well) This keeps you healthy, and more appealing on stage. Let's face it ... only Scott comes close in the delivery of Jobs - closest ever by a long shot (and you don't need physical appeal to do that). Silly as it sounds ... look around and you'll see this.

    Phil is not just the cool, calm & quite capable uncle of Apple ...he is the new Steve Woz. Sorry Woz you remain a key man driving Apple and keeping Jobs in touch with the world. I love how Steve did NOT forget him as a friend and introduced him to the stage just over a year ago.
     
  12. marcb81304 macrumors newbie

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    My 2 pennies

    I believe that there will be a lion server based solely on the fact that apple recently redesigned the Mac mini to offer a server edition, which they have capitalized on rather nicely. There are more homes and small offices running the Mac os x server software now than ever before.I don't see Apple abandoning that client base. To think cloud computing could take the place of a local standalone server is crazy and I hope that is not the direction that apple is headed to. I do think that with the discontinuation of Xserve that apple is looking more towards the small business for it's server customer base. I don't believe they are abandoning server software all together. This is just my couple of pennies and I could be all the way wrong!
     
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  14. ralf3788 macrumors newbie

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    Does anybody already experience the MAC OS LIO?

    I Just want to know some feedback before i install it on my mbpro 15".
     
  15. ryuok macrumors regular

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    1. The server is NOT included with OS X Lion.
    2. You can BUY the server upgrade from App Store but you must have Leopard Server.
    3. You can also obtain Lion Server pre-installed with a Mac Mini or Mac Pro.
     
  16. cosmos macrumors regular

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    The information Apple is posting seems contradictory to me. They state the following:

    "Now you can quickly and easily turn just about any Mac into a powerful server that’s perfect for home offices, businesses, schools, and hobbyists alike. Lion Server is coming to the Mac App Store in July for $49.99."

    If you click on the "How to Buy" button it talks about upgrading an existing Snow Leopard Server by purchasing the upgrade. It does not state that you must have SL Server installed for the upgrade to run. It seems to me that two or more people worded the information on the Lion Server pages.

    Arstechnica has a story that says it is just the $49 upgrade:

    http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/20...-app-store.ars

    We will know for sure next month, but it appears to me that Apple is selling Lion Server for just a $49 upgrade to SL Client. The most promising part to me is the hobbyists mentioned in the quote from Apple above. Of course I could be wrong in my assumptions.
     
  17. BornAgainMac macrumors 603

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    This is how it looks like it will happen:

    If you upgrade to the Lion client for $29. You can download the $49 Server addon to get Lion Server.

    If you upgrade from Snow Leopard client. For $49 bucks you get Lion Server.

    If you are currently running Snow Leopard Server. You can download the $49 Server addon to get Lion Server. You can skip that $29 dollar download for the standard Lion version.

    What do you think?
     
  18. glasserp macrumors regular

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    I don't mean to hijack this thread, but I have a kind of silly and basic question:

    I consider myself to fall in the "hobbyist" category as I love to tinker with my Mac and learn about the ins and outs of OS X. For the price of only $49 it's pretty tempting to buy Lion Server just for the sake of tinkering around with it. I have a new MacBook Pro which I plan on installing it on and I own an iPhone.

    Is there anything I can take advantage with Server besides setting up VPN for when I'm surfing on my iPhone and am away, at a coffee shop or something, for example.

    thanks.
     
  19. ashman70 macrumors 6502a

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    The way I understand it is that anyone who want Lion Server has to buy Lion as well, so its $29 plus $49 I believe. I can's see any advantage to running Lion Server on a MBP, the extra 'server' features would be pretty useless to you as they are based around sharing data, setting up users, hosting mail and other network related tasks.
     

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