Lion vs W8

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So, now we pretty much have Lion and know everything about it and how Apple is slowly merging the best of OSX with the best of iOS, and now that Microsoft has released this gem of a video about W8 http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/01/...-8-tablet-prototypes/?a_dgi=aolshare_facebook

what are your thoughts of one vs. the other?

I see loads of people complaining about how OSX is becoming iOS, but to be honest, if this merge is going to happen in a near future (which I think is kind of inevitable), then Apple is once again doing it the right way and Microsoft not so much. From what I can see in the vídeo, W8 is basically W7 with a Windows Mobile 7 giant widget which looks pretty neat, true!, and will be nice for basic things like browsing the web and e-mailing.
But Microsoft wanting to release this as a universal system for both tablets and PC's is probably the dumbest thing ever: if Netbooks need to have a light version of W7 to run without a lot of lag, then how will a tablet deal with W7? It is quite ridiculous from that video that whenever you want to do document editing, the OS switches back to classical windows view, but even if you don't edit documents in your tablet, then the "classical windows 7" will always be there consuming spaces and resources.
On the other hand, if you have a touch screen desktop system, the new panels thing will be pretty cool, but once again, when you'll need to browse files and work, you'll be prompted with the classical windows view again and no need to tell how that view works with touch technology.

So, it all seems like an epic failure for me because users will never be able to enjoy the OS as one, because it's basically 2 OS's in one! On one hand, the PC's still don't have the trackpad multitouch technology developed to the Apple standard, which makes that panel interface really silly to control if you don't have a touch screen... You'll have to use a mouse/single touch trackpad which is quite ridiculous (think of controlling iOS with a mouse...), on the other hand, you'll need a mouse and a keyboard if you want to work on a productivity environment.

Geez... what a royal mess this will be.

Such a big mess that most of the preview articles I've read about W8 have been positive while many of the reviews i've read about Lion have been negative or at the very least, have had more negative aspects than what i've read for W8...

 

[thejadedmonkey]

1. Running Windows on a tablet may not run older Windows programs, do to its ARM processor.

2. DLL hell has been removed.. WP7 runs off of a Windows kernel, but there's no DLL hell on that.

3. Windows 8 has the same requirements, as Windows 7. In other words, it's leaner, compared to what's in it.

4. There's NO developer info out yet. So we can't really say anything about Win8 except that, it looks great. But so do the previos of Lion that Apple puts out, and we all know that's not the be-all end-all of Lion

 

[whiteironknuckl]

This is still windows with a half baked touch UI thrown on top.

All they have done is incorporated windows phone elements into their desktop OS.

He even mentioned "slate" - did anyone else pick up on that??? An iPad contender... LOL

He also mentioned that it will work with both keyboard / mouse and touch based PC's but unless Microsoft releases some kind of Magic Trackpad to go with this OS and multitouch gestures I fail to see how a desktop PC can make any use of all of the new UI functionality.

I am sure that Apple has the Magic trackpad gesture based stuff all locked down by patents galore so good luck to them.

They don't work on the desktop part until they finish functionality and the new features, meaning they haven't touched that yet and it's not right to make judgment calls. It's still very, very beta. Also, some people prefer WP7's interface to the iphone's (I do) and I believe it would work extremely well as a tablet (though as a desktop I'm unsure).

Honestly people, jumping on this before it's anywhere near halfway finished is a bit ridiculous.

One thing I can say though is that OSX Lion is far, far behind Windows in the compatibility department. Some of the things that are being released with OSX Lion have been available on Windows for years. This doesn't necessarily make Windows better, per say, but it does show that Windows has some very obvious advantages over OSX. OSX has a lot of catching up to do.

Touch screen monitors are becoming more popular with the consumer desktop market as well as tablets, so this is a move that acknowledges that.

Basically, to reiterate, there is nothing that can be gained by comparing these operating systems.

 

[benthewraith]

They made Spaces accessible to the masses, power users who either got used to it or came over from Linux (yea Linux (GNOME) has had "spaces" since as long as I can remember) will hate the new spaces since it's designed for trackpad accessibility.

While it's designed for trackpad accessibility, the lack of a rectangular grid means that if I'm having to look at two or three applications, Mail, Excel, Word, etc, and constantly go back and forth, I either have to scroll or flip through the spaces one by one, and they could be three or four spaces apart.

 

[whiteironknuckl]

Macintosh History

1995 OS 7.5

1999 OS 9

2000 OSX Beta

2007 OSX Tiger

2011 OSX Lion

- - - - - -

WINDOWS HISTORY

1995 Windows 95

1998 Windows 98

2001 Windows XP

2006-2007 Windows Vista

2009 Windows 7

20xx Windows 8

Taskbar has yet to be worked on but it looks like the UI is going to be shaken up into squares, so Windows 8 users will in fact have the ability to look at things next to each other.

Another thing, OSX Lion and 8 can't be compared because 8 isn't being released any time soon and OSX Lion is out this month. Compare OSX and Windows 8 when Windows 8 and the then-version of OSX are released.