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I stood in queue in front of the Apple store for 7 hours to buy my iPhone 5 on release day. I've been using it every day since then (4 years, 8 months) and everything is working like it should. I've updated it from iOS 6.0 to the latest 10.3 and it's as fast as it was the day I bought it. The only thing that became worse than before is the battery life but that's to be expected. I'm now waiting for iPhone 8 with iOS 11 to be my next iPhone. :apple:
Remove Facebook app, and disable some apps that request to run in the background. I had a similar problem with my 5s.
 
Oh, no problem. Your guess was 100% spot on btw. There's nothing that interested my kids regarding the upgraded features. Both phones are hand me downs (from wife to mid kid from mid kid to youngest). They work as advertised and do everything my kids want them to do. They're plenty speedy and serve their intended purpose. The kids are happy, therefore I am. As for the actual updates, I've heard various anecdotal evidence on both sides of good vs bad regarding the performance of the handsets after updating. Grain of salt and all, I don't have to worry about it either way. Kids are happy.:)

IMO it's a no-brainer to upgrade ASAP anytime an update is released. Who cares about if it's gonna slow down your device a little bit or if you don't like any of the new features? The biggest pull for me is that you have the reassurance of continued security updates. If you choose not to update, you're exposing yourself to all the hackers and criminals out there.
 
IMO it's a no-brainer to upgrade ASAP anytime an update is released. Who cares about if it's gonna slow down your device a little bit or if you don't like any of the new features? The biggest pull for me is that you have the reassurance of continued security updates. If you choose not to update, you're exposing yourself to all the hackers and criminals out there.
I have no issues with this train of thought. In a general sense, it's the right way to go (caveat being that ASAP, as it seems the updates inevitably break something initially:(). Any updates I install usually come in the 3rd to 5th week. I am not as worried about the specter of hackers and criminals as you seem to be. Naive? Opinions may vary. Nevertheless, we take necessary precautions to avoid being hacked. It's my belief that the human equation (you and me) is the biggest factor in the security of our electronic devices. So far, that belief has served me and mine well. YMMV
 
That's a pretty good run. My wife's iPhone 5 battery was replaced under warranty because of the iPhone 5 battery replacement program. Did you ever look into that? It's expired now, though. Her iPhone was doing well too, but some things started to slow down in iOS 10. For some reason her messages would take 3-5 seconds to open every time. I bet I could have cleared it out by resetting something, or deleting all the messages, but a few areas were starting to get stuttery and she could use a better camera, so we bought her the SE shortly after and she loves it. We had been considering it before iOS 10 anyway, and it was just annoying enough for her to agree to switch.

Yes, my battery was OK and did not qualify for replacement. The problems with the battery started after 3-4 years of use which is normal for Li-Ion. I did replace the sleep button though as it was a manufacturing issue with models sold close to the release month and my sleep button almost stopped working.

I can say that most tasks are still very fast with very little stuttering with iOS 10. Sure the newer phones are a lot faster but there are very few lags and crashes. I can't say the same about my iPad 2 which became almost useless for normal web browsing during the iOS 8 time. I think the biggest reason is that the iPhone 5 has 1GB ram which can handle most tasks even today. I've also reset the phone last year and restored from an iCloud backup so that might have made it slightly faster than it would have been.

Does that mean you've never used TouchID? For me it has to be the biggest game changer in recent years, such a massive jump in UX, and applies every time you use your phone. Obviously most of us will barely even notice it any more (similar to you, I've had it 3.8 years and counting) but that was such a cool few months when it first came out, being constantly impressed by the simple act of unlocking your phone - almost envy that you have that ahead of you!

I still don't have a phone with TouchID. But I have it on my new MBP which I bought 7 months ago. I'm looking forward for TouchID under the display on the next iPhone, I'm sure that would make fingerprint sensors cool again ;).

Honest question: Are there certain things you do to maintain it so that it stays running well for that long? Are there certain rules to how often you should charge it and stuff like that? I have an iPhone 5 and the battery life is HORRIBLE. I just recently caved and got a Mophie battery case for it. It would get about three or four hours on a full charge before I got the case. It's also super slow with everything and often crashes or restarts. Is it all just luck???

I didn't say my battery wasn't horrible. After about 3 years of use, the normal battery time I got was about 3-4 hours which I though was bad at that time but it became even worse during a very short period of time. Now, the battery is basically dead and I'm getting about 90 minutes of use. I've had a power bank with me every day during the last 6 months so I can charge it everywhere. CoconutBattery on my Mac reports around 50% battery capacity left.

I think the easiest way to avoid battery degradation is to not let it warm up too much. If you're playing a game of doing some heavy task. Let it breath and take it out of the case if you have one. Other things that I've heard would help preserve the battery if you're really concerned (not as important as keeping it cool) is to have low depth of charges so you should charge it more frequently and not always use it from 100% to 0%. Also try to avoid regularly emptying the battery to 0% but you might want to do that once a month just to calibrate the battery indicator. This is a very good article about the subject: http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_prolong_lithium_based_batteries

Remove Facebook app, and disable some apps that request to run in the background. I had a similar problem with my 5s.

I don't have the Facebook app installed as I don't use Facebook regularly. I'm pretty sure the battery is dead without any return right now.
 
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I just thought of something. The iPhone really took off around the time of the iPhone 5. There are a lot of 32-bit devices out there that are losing support. Anyone think iOS 11 will have the lowest adoption rate yet because of this? I mean, it won't be anywhere near Android, but maybe 70%? Guess you have to rip the band-aid off at some point.
It's hard to say how much of an impact that will really have. In a sense it can be said that the sales really took off in the iPhone 4 and 4s days, and dropping support for those devices in the last few iOS updates didn't really affect things that much as most/many people upgrade after some years anyway.
 
I'm surprised the 5S is still supported even if it's a 64 bit phone. Apple needs to push more under the bus in order to sell newer devices just as they do with the desktop.
Even Apple isn't likely to view that as a good strategy. They know one of the reasons their iPhones sell so well is that they hold their value so the buyers who can afford to upgrade annually do so with confidence.

The people who obtain the second-hand iPhones (and other iOS devices) weren't likely to buy new anyway and meanwhile they also become immersed in the ecosystem and become Apple oriented when they do work up to a higher disposable income level and start buying iPhones firsthand themselves. You see this all the time with kids who get iPhones as hand me downs.

There are some kids in my family who get old Samsungs as hand me downs. The experience is not the same. I'm a huge fan of Samsung flagships and I expect to get at least two years out of my current Galaxies. Beyond that, I'm not confident of the support my Galaxies will receive. The hardware is amazing and I love Samsung's version of Nougat. I just don't know how viable my phones will be as hand me downs to any interested family members. I have no clue what the resale value might be. I'm not going to even try as I intend to use them in VR and that usage will probably shorten their lives anyway.

And I was talking to my cousin's kids about their hand me down Samsungs and all they could talk about was how lucky the other kids in the family got the old iPhones. They want iPhones when they start earning their own spending money. I'm kind of sad about that. I really like the Samsung phones. I'd like to see them get more popular and keep Apple on its toes. The competition is a good thing for all of us.
 
Yep, just like it’s been since iOS 9.

Popover and PiP: All iPad models running iOS 11
Split View: iPad Air 2 and newer
Popover and Split View simultaneously: iPad Pro
Can you remind me what popover is and how you can have popover and split view simultaneously? I didn't get to see the keynote. Can A9X iPad Pro's do this?
 
I didn't say my battery wasn't horrible. After about 3 years of use, the normal battery time I got was about 3-4 hours which I though was bad at that time but it became even worse during a very short period of time. Now, the battery is basically dead and I'm getting about 90 minutes of use. I've had a power bank with me every day during the last 6 months so I can charge it everywhere. CoconutBattery on my Mac reports around 50% battery capacity left.

Getting a bit off topic, but my iPhone 6 battery was also pretty shot (60% on CoconutBattery I think?). There were a few times it shut down from overheating during its life (yay for hot cars in Australian summer!), so I guess they helped contribute to its somewhat-early death after only ~2.5 years. I tried doing the power bank/battery case thing for a while but it was too annoying, so got local place to do a cheap third-party battery replacement and it's like it's as good as new. Highly recommend doing it if you can, rather than persisting with the barely-usable battery.
 
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Getting a bit off topic, but my iPhone 6 battery was also pretty shot (60% on CoconutBattery I think?). There were a few times it shut down from overheating during its life (yay for hot cars in Australian summer!), so I guess they helped contribute to its somewhat-early death after only ~2.5 years. I tried doing the power bank/battery case thing for a while but it was too annoying, so got local place to do a cheap third-party battery replacement and it's like it's as good as new. Highly recommend doing it if you can, rather than persisting with the barely-usable battery.
Doesn't the iPhone 6 have a well known battery issue? Or is it the 6s?
 
Doesn't the iPhone 6 have a well known battery issue? Or is it the 6s?
The 6s had the replacement program for certain serial numbers IIRC. The 6 hasn't had a replacement program so far.

I think I just abused the poor battery too much: always running at high brightness, letting it overheat those times, plus at one stage early on I developed the infamous bend (slight though).
 
Do you have a source for this?
My reasoning goes as follows: Since iOS 11 gets rid of slide-over (which iPad Air has), it would leave the iPad Air with less functionality than before, which would be very strange indeed, don't you think? :/


This I found odd too.
I installed it on an iPad Air 2 and an iPad Pro 9.8 (same size as the iPad Air 2) and now neither of them do the slide over :( so I’m actually losing functionality
 
I'm sorry but as a user how can you possibly advocate this? It's a good thing they support older hardware. What benefit is there to you if they drop support early just for the sake of making more money?

Also your comment about desktops is untrue as iMacs dating as far back as 2009 will run High Sierra. It seems Apple support desktops (and laptops) for longer than they support phones.

Supporting old hardware comes at the cost of slowed down improvements and staggered development. I'm not saying I'd be happy if Apple stopped supporting old hardware ("old" in the technological sense), but sometimes you have to cut loose from old tech in order to go the next step (cf. thread about 64 bit macs).
 
Also your comment about desktops is untrue as iMacs dating as far back as 2009 will run High Sierra. It seems Apple support desktops (and laptops) for longer than they support phones.

This probably has to do with the speed at which mobile processor hardware continues to improve. We have been 64-bit only for 4 complete iPhone cycles now, and we're going into the 5th. They're more than likely looking forward at their roadmap and decided now was the time to keep the momentum going forward.
 
Can you remind me what popover is and how you can have popover and split view simultaneously? I didn't get to see the keynote. Can A9X iPad Pro's do this?

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This is what Popover looks like. It works similar to Slide-over, but gives you a floating window that you can either pin to the left or right. You're also able to slide it away and back in, just like you did previously with Slide-over. Popover can be activated by dragging an app from the Dock onto the main app. If you drag to the far left/right, Split View is invoked.

Since I only have an iPad Air, I can't verify that, but I read that you can have Split View and Popover enabled simultaneously on iPad models with 4 GB RAM (iPad Pro). So, when you are in Split View, you would still be able open the Dock and invoke another Popover like described above. If you also take account of PiP, that means you're even able to have four apps onscreen at the same time. :)
 
The 6s had the replacement program for certain serial numbers IIRC. The 6 hasn't had a replacement program so far.

I think I just abused the poor battery too much: always running at high brightness, letting it overheat those times, plus at one stage early on I developed the infamous bend (slight though).

I always use my phone at full brightness. Some third-party cases may promote overheating. I had one like that, and had to replace it. Sorry to hear you are having issues.
 



Apple on Monday introduced iOS 11, the next major version of its mobile operating system for iPhone, iPad, and iPod touch.

ios-11-ipad-iphone-duo.jpg

iOS 11 is compatible with 64-bit devices only, meaning the iPhone 5, iPhone 5c, and iPad 4 do not support the software update.

iOS 11 is compatible with the following iPhone, iPad, and iPod touch models:

iPhone
iPhone 7 Plus
iPhone 7
iPhone 6s
iPhone 6s Plus
iPhone 6
iPhone 6 Plus
iPhone SE
iPhone 5s

iPad

12.9-inch iPad Pro (first-generation)
12.9-inch iPad Pro (second-generation)
9.7-inch iPad Pro
10.5-inch iPad Pro
iPad (fifth-generation)
iPad Air 2
iPad Air
iPad mini 4
iPad mini 3
iPad mini 2

iPod touch

iPod touch (6th generation)

The first iOS 11 beta was released to registered Apple developers on Monday. A public beta will be available in late June through the Apple Beta Software Program. The software update should be officially released in September.

Article Link: List of iOS 11 Compatible iPhone, iPad, and iPod Touch Models
[doublepost=1496891308][/doublepost]Yaaaay! iPhone 5s is compatible!!
 
I'm surprised the 5S is still supported even if it's a 64 bit phone. Apple needs to push more under the bus in order to sell newer devices just as they do with the desktop.
Hi we still use that cue phone. I use it right as I reply to you.
I only builds brand value and customer loyalty if a firm supports its older devices for long.
Also Apple processors have remained 64bit since A7 thru A10 and the next A11 may also be only that. No mobile company is ever going to go to 128bit. Also there is no such thing 128 bit processor on earth as yet!
 
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Hi we still use that cue phone. I use it right as I reply to you.
I only builds brand value and customer loyalty if a firm supports its older devices for long.
Also Apple processors have remained 64bit since A7 thru A10 and the next A11 may also be only that. No mobile company is ever going to go to 128bit. Also there is no such thing 128 bit processor on earth as yet!
Yes old iPhone have lots of use left. I showed my friend how to use it as a gps without the need of a data or cellular plan.
May I quote you that there will never be a 128 bit processor or phone?
I remember laughing at the introduction of the 8 bit processor in 1984 and joked that someday they will have a 64 bit processor. Well... surprise!
 
I am surprised that iPhone 6 made the cut. I had 11beta on mine, it was really slow my battery was burning. When I had Instagram running (no other apps where open at the time) the battery was overheating. I couldn't record videos some times (the camera app was crashing on its own/ took ages to load...) I couldn't use my phone properly therefore I downgraded on iOS 10 from a backup I had. It works properly now, like a charm. Anyone else had the same issue (battery overheating, apps crashing etc.? ) Just to let everyone know that it's running perfectly now it downloaded all apps from the cloud after I installed the ipsw 10.3.3.
 
Get an SE, it's the same form factor but EVERYHTING is better or faster.
Because of reviews like yours, I made my transition from android to iPhone via the SE. So glad I did!
I'd also like to learn from wise mac users...am I not going to be using iOS 11 on my 2015 MacBook retina? Why would I want to update my iPhone but not my laptop? I have no interest in an iPad.
 
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I feel you brother!!! To this day I still use my Iphone5 as well. Love this phone. No major issues as well. Hopefully the iphoneX will be my new fave and will last me a long time!! cheers mate
 
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