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The Accidental Tech Podcast crew cover ARM macs exceptionally well, in my opinion. John Siracusa did a whole roadmap exercise on there where he laid out where he sees it all going. I think 2 episodes ago. Should be in the show notes.
 
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ATP is a great show indeed.

I think it’s clear that Apple Silicon, touchscreens, keyboards & trackpads, will all allow to gel together the Apple ecosystem.

The other day I was reading rumors about Face id on macOS. For me it was not a surprise, on the contrary, it was more a feeling of “of course”.

As others pointed out, including the guys from ATP, Apple silicon will blow away Intel performance. I can see a large 2X dropping and bouncing in a black background during the keynote !
 
JohnnyGo said:
ATP is a great show indeed.

I think it’s clear that Apple Silicon, touchscreens, keyboards & trackpads, will all allow to gel together the Apple ecosystem.

The other day I was reading rumors about Face id on macOS. For me it was not a surprise, on the contrary, it was more a feeling of “of course”.

As others pointed out, including the guys from ATP, Apple silicon will blow away Intel performance. I can see a large 2X dropping and bouncing in a black background during the keynote !
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Absolutely. Its totally obvious to me that ARM macs will positively destroy anything intel mac. Like it will be a not funny leap forward.
 
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As others pointed out, including the guys from ATP, Apple silicon will blow away Intel performance. I can see a large 2X dropping and bouncing in a black background during the keynote !
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and as with Apple, the 2x of course will apply to a specific, misleading metric that isn’t really relevant?

But seriously do you mean everything is just going to be twice as fast? Do you think the Apple silicon cpus which currently (as of March 2020 iPad Pro) are similar performers to intel Mac i7 laptops are going to double in speed as of the end of 2020?
 
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But seriously do you mean everything is just going to be twice as fast? Do you think the Apple silicon cpus which currently (as of March 2020 iPad Pro) are similar performers to intel Mac i7 laptops are going to double in speed as of the end of 2020?
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I wouldn't be surprised.
I had a MBP 10th gen 13" 2020 (i7/32/2TB) for a week before I returned it. It was good, of course, but less snappy than my iPad Pro 1st gen when starting apps, clicking at anything.
TBH, I have no idea how an iOS environment is different to a macOS environment in technical terms. But if Apple manages to transfer the speed from the iPad to a serious working device (Mac), I would be more than pleased (and buy a new Mac :))
 
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Objectively though,
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I wouldn't be surprised.
I had a MBP 10th gen 13" 2020 (i7/32/2TB) for a week before I returned it. It was good, of course, but less snappy than my iPad Pro 1st gen when starting apps, clicking at anything.
TBH, I have no idea how an iOS environment is different to a macOS environment in technical terms. But if Apple manages to transfer the speed from the iPad to a serious working device (Mac), I would be more than pleased (and buy a new Mac :))
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Objectively though, they have similar cpu processing performance.
 
burgerrecords said:
and as with Apple, the 2x of course will apply to a specific, misleading metric that isn’t really relevant?

But seriously do you mean everything is just going to be twice as fast? Do you think the Apple silicon cpus which currently (as of March 2020 iPad Pro) are similar performers to intel Mac i7 laptops are going to double in speed as of the end of 2020?
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Firstly you are assuming the comparison will be based in an MacBook Pro BTO cpu option. Most likely Apple will use the standard MacBook Air as the comparison.

Secondly I firmly believe that Apple Silicon will outperform Intel CPUs in many benchmarks. Are they meaningless? Well then Intel is also cheating because they use the same benchmarks to showcase their new families of CPUs.

Finally, performance in iPads have already surpassed that of basic Macs since the 2018 iPad Pro. Will the new AS Macs outperform the top line equivalent MB Pro? Yes. Will it be by a factor of 2x? No. But certainly a 5% single core and 30% multicore advantage is possible.

Most important is that such gains will be achieved with much smaller power consumption. So, in modern CPU parlance, Apple Silicon might be 2x as effective (per watt).
 
burgerrecords said:
But seriously do you mean everything is just going to be twice as fast? Do you think the Apple silicon cpus which currently (as of March 2020 iPad Pro) are similar performers to intel Mac i7 laptops are going to double in speed as of the end of 2020?
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Not everything, but certainly in some cases. Where there is a thermal constraint / restrictive thermal envelope for performance, then there will be some significant gains. However, performance comes in two strains - benchmarks and real world use. Therefore, performance is slightly subjective.

Among many of these threads, users are struggling with performance of basic tasks, like fans going wild for an ext monitor or choppy performance for tab switching. The biggest gain we will see from the move to In-house silicon is the experience! Everything will be much smoother.

Of course, I have generalised and there will be people out there that require benchmark level performance; but I’m seriously excited with what they can do given the performance within the thermal budget that the Processor in the Mini DTK Was built for; and the engineering of additional coprocessors that will handle specific tasks in tandem.
 
Thermal budgets will be greatly enhanced and so will performance.

Apple was very specific in the keynote saying they will develop a new family of SOCs for each hardware like they did for iPad vs iPhone, Apple watch, etc
 
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