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Nice update from what I've read so far.

To comment further would be jumping the gun as there is a lot to digest.

In anyevent much of what I want is coming.


Dave
 
sorry for double post, but you know the p2p uses bluetooth?

wasn't there a bluetooth chip in the ipot 2nd gen? or ami imagining it?

yeah there is a bluetooth chip in the 2nd gen, they stated they can unlock it in todays q/a jeeez read up on it will ya.... :rolleyes::p
 
I was also happy to see notes sync! I saw that you can do the new home page, but was anything mentioned about adding your own picture and custom icons?
 

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I know what the Pre can do, but I don't see how it bests the iPhone. I certainly have much less respect for it: Palm used Apple's web engine and ripped off the iPhone's UI. They did very little on the all-important software side.

The Pre, however, is better than the other so-called iPhone killers. That's why it's being championed by people who have some pathological hatred of the iPhone. The Pre's getting all this attention because it doesn't suck and it's not an iPhone. It's not doing anything on merit.

I maintain the iPhone is the best all-around device right now. The Pre doesn't come close.

And that's just your opinion which is okay, but there's no way you can support that other sites and reviewers are just touting the Pre's UI around simply because it's not Apple.

I think the iPhone is the best Mac based phone on the market, something every Mobile Me user and Mac owner should have, but as long as it's on AT&T's network it's a no go for many.

As for the UI, read what Apple could learn from Palm's webOS. The one thing that it has that differs from many other reviews is that it's not biased toward the iPhone simply because of the Apple logo. It gives good insight into what both phones including the Android OS are missing and have.

Other than that, it's all up to the reader to decide.
 
What about Bluetooth transfers?

I didn't go through all the technical mumbo jumbo, but is there anything about loosening up the Bluetooth? I would like to be able to transfer something to my GF's Ericsson via Bluetooth. Thanks!
 
I know what the Pre can do, but I don't see how it bests the iPhone. I certainly have much less respect for it: Palm used Apple's web engine and ripped off the iPhone's UI. They did very little on the all-important software side.

The Pre, however, is better than the other so-called iPhone killers. That's why it's being championed by people who have some pathological hatred of the iPhone. The Pre's getting all this attention because it doesn't suck and it's not an iPhone. It's not doing anything on merit. And I wouldn't take any measurements of how fluid it is seriously right now: wait until it's out, then see how fluid it is.

I maintain the iPhone is the best all-around device right now. The Pre doesn't come close.

Considering you've never used the Pre before (oddly, much like the Pre proponents), how can you make such a claim?

w00master
 
I was also happy to see notes sync! I saw that you can do the new home page, but was anything mentioned about adding your own picture and custom icons?

I predict it will be possible, but honestly its not really a big feature so they didnt go over it. I mean, you cant really elaborate on that at all.
 
What a bad day for palm. Apple pretty much added everything
Most people wanted. I don't care much for extra features...I want stability.
 
I am just looking for insurance (or better yet, not AT&T). I would even suck up the cost of the plan. :D

Sorry, i didnt see if you answered last time. Is it up to the cell phone maker or the carrier to provide insurance?
 
Well, they really did address most complaints about the iPhone today didn't they? Sucks about no MMS and Bluetooth for the 1st gen. I don't really care about either, but it's plain it's an artificial limitation to encourage us to upgrade. I am looking forward to push, Note synching, landscape keyboard everywhere, Copy/Paste, and all the other new features that will work on the 1st gen. :D

As for the UI, read what Apple could learn from Palm's webOS. The one thing that it has that differs from many other reviews is that it's not biased toward the iPhone simply because of the Apple logo. It gives good insight into what both phones including the Android OS are missing and have.
Good article. A lot of those points are actually being addressed in the 3.0 update. I do think the Pre is looking to be pretty good and they have a very nice UI for once, unlike all the other "iPhone killers", but I also think the argument that the Pre can do multitasking because its apps are more akin to webpages/widgets has some merit. Apple did demonstrate today that just running an IM app in the background dramatically reduced battery life. Though I won't be surprised if Apple introduces the 3rd gen iPhone with background tasks (perhaps because of improved battery life).

I think the iPhone is the best Mac based phone on the market, something every Mobile Me user and Mac owner should have, but as long as it's on AT&T's network it's a no go for many.
And the Pre is going to be limited to Sprint, no? That sounds even worse. I really hate this trend of limiting technology to a specific service. Why they don't also release unlocked phones (for a premium) is beyond me.
 
And the Pre is going to be limited to Sprint, no? That sounds even worse. I really hate this trend of limiting technology to a specific service. Why they don't also release unlocked phones (for a premium) is beyond me.

Well, at least with Sprint vs. AT&T it's an issue of CDMA vs GSM. Of course, yes, device makers probably could also make different versions (obviously many do already) with appropriate radios in them. However, a lot of the "device exclusivity" is done by carriers offering lots of money (or in the iPhone's case, being willing to offer money AND take a risk on Apple's demands) to try and attract switchers/new customers.

Some of this might disappear when 4G networks based on LTE start being deployed, as at least Verizon and AT&T have said they'll be using the same technology there.
 
Sorry, i didnt see if you answered last time. Is it up to the cell phone maker or the carrier to provide insurance?

It's upto the carrier for the insurance. Asurion is the ones that does it for Verizon and Sprint.

The basic idea is paying $7 a month for the insurance, and Asurion will repair your phone free of charge as long as it's not totally destroyed (mobo showing) and will replace it for $50-$100 depending on phone if lost or stolen up to twice per year.

I am a klutz, so is my fiancee (who lost three Treos in one year, yet only paid $150 to get them replaced instead of the $650 x3.

Good article. A lot of those points are actually being addressed in the 3.0 update. I do think the Pre is looking to be pretty good and they have a very nice UI for once, unlike all the other "iPhone killers", but I also think the argument that the Pre can do multitasking because its apps are more akin to webpages/widgets has some merit. Apple did demonstrate today that just running an IM app in the background dramatically reduced battery life. Though I won't be surprised if Apple introduces the 3rd gen iPhone with background tasks (perhaps because of improved battery life).

True, I think the article will loose it relevance after all phones/updates are released. I take Engadget as being one of the unbiased sites to get reviews and announcements from. That article is the best I have seen in terms of unbiased analytical review of the three top phones.

And the Pre is going to be limited to Sprint, no? That sounds even worse. I really hate this trend of limiting technology to a specific service. Why they don't also release unlocked phones (for a premium) is beyond me.

Sorry, I really should have said it's based on opinion. Most people don't pick up the iPhone because they love AT&T, they do it because they love the iPhone.... or should I say, I bet most people aren't switching to the iPhone for various reasons, the cell carrier in their region that it's locked to could be a major reason.

As killmoms said, I think the issue of unlocking will fade away with LTE and the inundation of the world with the iPhone. Sprint so far is the only one with 4G up that isn't LTE, so they may be left behind even if they are using 4G currently.
 
Well, at least with Sprint vs. AT&T it's an issue of CDMA vs GSM. Of course, yes, device makers probably could also make different versions (obviously many do already) with appropriate radios in them. However, a lot of the "device exclusivity" is done by carriers offering lots of money (or in the iPhone's case, being willing to offer money AND take a risk on Apple's demands) to try and attract switchers/new customers.

Some of this might disappear when 4G networks based on LTE start being deployed, as at least Verizon and AT&T have said they'll be using the same technology there.
True, I was forgetting that when I posted. Would be nice if 4G changes things. Verizon has recently been beating the crap out of AT&T in terms of coverage in my county and I'd consider switching if I could use a 4G iPhone with them. ;)
 
I don't want to get spoiled. Where can I see the video which will be posted online? Is it there already?
 
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