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I read an article about how Apple has shifted it's structure so it's no longer centered around design, but on the business aspect. Apparently, with Jobs, the design and product came first, then came all the other factors. Now they're moving to a more generic corporate structure. I hope Cook talks about this and assures us design is still important!

For sure looks that way. They could taking Apple to totally new heights using all the cash they have, but instead they chose to pay dividends. That says something.
 
I don't think you can fault people here. Eyes are drawn to the spotlight. Jobs was in the spotlight. Both were great contributors to technology. Had Ritchie been in the spotlight more things would have been different.

He was always in the spotlight for me.

It just happens that the majority of people are stupid sheep and easily brainwashed into the latest fad.
 
For sure looks that way. They could taking Apple to totally new heights using all the cash they have, but instead they chose to pay dividends. That says something.

What do you want them to do with their cash that would take Apple to "new heights"?
 
Being a hyped up personality is everything I guess.

I came across this a while back and think it's spot on.


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Steve was CEO of leading consumer electronics company. Any common man is aware of and used products created by Apple Inc. His keynotes always got lot of media coverage and non techie people too were interested in his keynotes to know about next cutting edge technology. Definitely millions felt sorrow when they heard news of Steve's Death


Dennis Ritchie was computer scientist. Very much known in world of programmers but private person compared to Steve Jobs . Non Technical crowd was not aware of genius Dennis Ritchie.


So comparing media coverage has no point.

Not everyone here is aware of greatest Architects , metallurgical scientists or biophysicist. How much media coverage their death/ birth anniversaries receive ??

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He was always in the spotlight for me.

It just happens that the majority of people are stupid sheep and easily brainwashed into the latest fad.

so the world should revolve around you ??
 
Why should we? Who's Gruber anyway? What's he got to show for himself other than his contant arch kissing to apple marketing? Is he a designer by trade? Is he a successful iOS or os x developer? Being used to plant a few leaks and speculating on 99% on the rest doesn't really give someone any credibility you know.

Do you mean John Gruber, one of the original designers and developers of the MarkDown formatting engine available on Windows, Mac and Linux and has been implemented in Java, Javascript, Lua, Scala, Ruby, Haskell, Clojure, PHP, and available as a formatting parser for a number of open source content management systems?

Do you mean THAT John Gruber?

Last time I read something of his was when he met Phil Schiller in a hotel suite over cocktails and then presented his pre-release of mountain lion to him (that service pack to os x too poor for a keynote unlike any past release) with the drama of having been debriefed by NSA for a secret mission to Timbuktu to study the remains of extraterrestrial life. I would think he is more of a clown than anything....

Fair enough, but tell me, what have you done that's so fabulous that we should listen to you?
More to the point, is there any particular reason we should listen to Adam Lashinsky? Does he have better sources than Gruber? Since Apple invited Gruber to preview Mountain Lion and I have no recollection of Adam Lashinsky being there, then I would say perhaps not.
 
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I'm not sure why everyone is bagging on Tim Cook. We no NOTHING of what Tim Cook has done so far. Did you think that Apple started working on the iPhone 4S and the new iPad right when Tim Cook became CEO? Unlikely. It's more likely that the next few Apple product releases involved Steve in some way. I highly doubt that the last thing Steve worked on was iCloud.

We actually know quite a lot about what he's done since he's been at Apple for well over a decade and he's done quite well.
 
I dunno, a few specifics would be nice too... I think there's a few people who would like to know if the Mac Pro is finished or not, for instance. It would only take a second to say yes or no... but sure, it could be tied into discussing whether Apple wants to hang on to its pro users or not.

what you are saying is that tim cook will say:
As for the mac pro... No. Moving on,
 
Wonder if Cook will nose some coke with Sorkin? That would be funny.

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John Gruber is a no-mark fan boy.
 
I really, really hope he'll get asked some proper questions.

Like if Apple isn't using the App Store to be anti-competitive on iOS, why don't they adopt the Gatekeeper model from Mountain Lion on it?

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He was always in the spotlight for me.

It just happens that the majority of people are stupid sheep and easily brainwashed into the latest fad.

In the spotlight for you and in the spotlight of the public eye are two very different things. I don't think I will argue.
 
1st session interview for Cook!!!

:eek:This must be a different experience for Tim. He must be quite nervous. It is not a promotional event anyways, although analysts will actually try to get as many insights into future Apple products as possible.

Best of luck Tim!!!;)
 
Or....

Why does it take so long to make a new mac pro? :)

Mac Pro is being killed off. Siracusa had an interesting slice of information he relayed at the end of this week's Hypercritical podcast. I don't think we'll even see one more refresh of the product. It's over.
 
Being a hyped up personality is everything I guess.

I came across this a while back and think it's spot on.

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Well, ignoring the fact that this image is overly biased (without Jobs we probably won't have object oriented programming/proportional fonts/computer mouse etc.), I agree that its unfair. However, Jobs is a public person while Ritchie was only known in a small circle of specialists. How many people know the names of people like Alan Turing, William Shockley or Douglas Engelbart? That Ritchie didn't receive the fame he deserved is a problem of the education system and hardly a fault of Jobs.
 
Lets just say SJ was very talented, with a bit less of the nice :)
Jobs was very blunt, and not afraid to call it like he saw it. Almost to the point where it made you stop, and think "how rude". But he was usually, but not always right!
 
Do you mean John Gruber, one of the original designers and developers of the MarkDown formatting engine available on Windows, Mac and Linux and has been implemented in Java, Javascript, Lua, Scala, Ruby, Haskell, Clojure, PHP, and available as a formatting parser for a number of open source content management systems?

Do you mean THAT John Gruber?

Fair enough, but tell me, what have you done that's so fabulous that we should listen to you?
More to the point, is there any particular reason we should listen to Adam Lashinsky? Does he have better sources than Gruber? Since Apple invited Gruber to preview Mountain Lion and I have no recollection of Adam Lashinsky being there, then I would say perhaps not.

I don't agree with the original posts attacking Gruber for a laundry list of different reasons. But I think we all know why Gruber has great sources within Apple. And it isn't because they respect his accomplishments creating Markdown, or his remarkable objectivity in covering all things Apple and related technologies. :D

So far Gruber has been lucky in that Apple's biggest failures are in the area he is completely disinterested: web services. So he was never going to go around championing Mobile Me as the best thing since sliced bread. And equally, he's had very little to say about iCloud. When Apple starts churning out dud devices that don't work properly that's when Daring Fireball will be an interesting read. He hasn't had much of an opportunity to make himself look stupid because he really went full-time with his site around the time Apple was turning its business around with great products.
 
Do you mean John Gruber, one of the original designers and developers of the MarkDown formatting engine available on Windows, Mac and Linux and has been implemented in Java, Javascript, Lua, Scala, Ruby, Haskell, Clojure, PHP, and available as a formatting parser for a number of open source content management systems?

Do you mean THAT John Gruber?

You just reinforced his point. A guy who wrote a plain text to HTML converter really has no legs to stand on when talking about syscall interfaces, OS level API design and OS design in general, like pointed to. Critiquing someone the likes of Avie, an OS engineer who wrote much of what is basically OS X today was very poor on Gruber's part.

There's no mistaking Gruber's bias and incompetence when it comes to systems design. His web skills notwithstanding.
 
He was always in the spotlight for me.

It just happens that the majority of people are stupid sheep and easily brainwashed into the latest fad.

Americans favor entrepreneurs over academics/researchers. They also favor stories of success after failure.

Jobs started Apple, Next, rescued Apple, and guided Pixar through a groundbreaking era in animation. He also was also an important player in the music and film industries.

You seem very quick to denigrate others. It substantially negates whatever your message is and implies that you have some serious validation issues.
 
Mac Pro is being killed off. Siracusa had an interesting slice of information he relayed at the end of this week's Hypercritical podcast. I don't think we'll even see one more refresh of the product. It's over.

Episode 69? I just had a quick listen and I think you're overstating the significance of his guesses by quite a margin there. He even stated he didn't have any information on it and was just guessing based on the fact there hasn't been one in a while.

Sure, that doesn't mean there will be another Mac Pro, but it's not like he had some inside knowledge, like your post might imply to some people.

But regardless, if Apple have decided to kill the Mac Pro off I think it would just be nice of them to tell everyone.
 
Fair enough, but tell me, what have you done that's so fabulous that we should listen to you?
More to the point, is there any particular reason we should listen to Adam Lashinsky? Does he have better sources than Gruber? Since Apple invited Gruber to preview Mountain Lion and I have no recollection of Adam Lashinsky being there, then I would say perhaps not.

One of the developers of an html parser..impressive...

Wait a second, I am not saying anyone should listen to me instead? Is that the best you can do?

Another poster was rather rudely asked, "what do you think?" and instructed to read Gruber as if he was the apple gospel.

Gruber ranks high in the apple evangelist scale, has a few phone numbers inside of Cupertino, and his verbose adulatory blogging has been used by apple to very apparently plant leaks and present products that didn't warrant a keynote such as mountain lion.

But he is nothing by trade, not much of programmer and not a designer. I don't think he's qualified to speak about anything really. He's a dime a dozen commentator with links to apple basically. The only reason people are instructed to read him is because apple's official line goes via Gruber.
 
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