Eddie Bombay
macrumors 6502
Thought he was making fun of the size of the Galaxy S3. Was going to say the difference in screen size between the two is night and day to me.
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Thought he was making fun of the size of the Galaxy S3. Was going to say the difference in screen size between the two is night and day to me.
tbayrgs
macrumors 604
Easier is a matter of perspective for each individual user. Takes as many touches (one) to open email as it does photos and probably takes same number of steps in both. What you're describing is functionality, not necessarily ease of use. Does Android offer more options to get an end result? In most cases, yes, probably. But I could probably come up with some examples of things it's easier to do in iOS as well. For example, how do you switch audio output in Android? How do I send audio, video, or an actual mirror of my screen to my Apple TV with my Android phone? What about syncing my Safari desktop bookmarks with Safari on Andr...oh, wait.
Personally, I find iOS a bit more intuitive, but again, that's just my opinion and other's may certainly vary.
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lordofthereef
macrumors G5
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Sensamic
macrumors 68040
Isnt Apple the one who doesnt allow anyone to connect to an Apple tv? I mean, are there other devices apart from iPhone, iPad and Mac that can connect to the Apple tv? I dont know. If not, then its apples fault.
I dont see Windows mobile phones connecting to the Apple tv.
batting1000
macrumors 604
That's if you use Chrome. If you don't, you'd have to download Chrome, import your bookmarks, then download Chrome for the phone.
tbayrgs
macrumors 604
I wasn't actually looking for answers to these questions, knowing full well that the answers favored iOS, but rather just trying to show that I can too come up with examples of easier tasks as the the first poster did. Remember, the context of that post was easier, not 'can it be done?'. As you were kind enough to take the time to reply, I felt obliged to do the same, responses in blue. And likewise, not trying to argue, just clarify.
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tbayrgs
macrumors 604
Doesn't matter if it's allowed or not, it's something I use quite a bit that cannot be easily replicated using Android. Your claim was Android is easier and gave a bunch of supposed examples. I'm doing the same thing to show its not.
lordofthereef
macrumors G5
Ok, I am still not sure where you are going with audio output. Do you mean audio over bluetooth versus audio over anaolog headphones or something? Legitimately confused here, sorry! If that is what you mean, a simple toggle will take care of that. You can even have it on the home screen if that makes you happy.
As for HTPC on every TV, no. I have an Apple TV 2 jailbroken which runs XBMC (streams from HTPC). In another room I just got a raspberry Pi, which is superior in every way (IMO). $50 with SD card and power source, and it does everything my Apple TV does while running linux. It also has USB input as well as a spot for expandable inputs. It really is a wonderful little device. Admittedly, it's probably not for the every day Apple product user. It certainly isn't plug and play. If those two options still aren't good enough, there is now XBMC support with Android set top boxes. They run Jellybean, basically look like a clone of Apple TV, because they are one. Again, not saying not to go with Apple, I am just saying there are options (as I felt it was implied there may not be any).
As far as your explanation of "intuitive", I appreciate it, but honestly still don't understand. What about the stock dialer and browsers are better? Intuitive is essentially defined as being able to use something without thinking about it. How is Android different than iOS in those respects?
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Well of course it's if you use chrome bud. That is implied. He wants bookmark import. I gave an example of bookmark import. Saying you refuse to use chrome over safari is like saying you refuse to use Android over iOS. You can certainly decide you don't want to, but he was wanting examples of said functionality on Android. I gave them.
Why do I use chrome? Because I can sync all of that information irregardless of what OS I am on.
batting1000
macrumors 604
Well yes. I only said that because he didn't mention he wanted to use Chrome, nor would it be easier to do so than use Safari in the first place.
lordofthereef
macrumors G5
With the hardware you currently own, no it cannot. I think everyone's point here though is that if you make the choice to go with other hardware, you can get these features.
I mentioned my HTPC. Thanks to a third party developer I can get Apple's airplay working on that too. As mentioned, I have used it all of twice. It's a neat party trick to show off AirPlay on a Windows machine though
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If we are starting on level ground, they are equally easy. If you are starting with safari already set up this way, it stands to reason that it will be more work to set up a new web browser than it would be to just keep using what you have now, right?
Sensamic
macrumors 68040
So... you say android is not easier because it cant connect to your Apple devices? Okay...
Can Apple devices connect to other devices like TVs with DLNA or USB? No, right? Then they are not easier either...
Only way to stream iOS content to a TV is with the Apple tv. No other options available for anyone that doesnt want to buy an Apple tv. Thats not easier Id say... Its more difficult.
The iPhone cant even connect with other iPhones or mobile devices as far as Im concerned: no NFC (android Beam), no Bluetooth for sending files to another phone or PC, etc.
The only way in iOS to send files to another device is with iMessage (and only to people with iOs devices and only pictures and photos and you have to give away your Apple ID) or email (and you have to give away your email). You cant send files to a phone thats not an iphone.
Can you send a mp3 song to a non iOS device? Its a very simple task... or should be...
And my Chrome bookmarks and open tabs are synced in all my devices: iPad, iMac, SGS3 and Windows PC. I guess that beats Safari... Plus it lets me download files directly from the browser. On iOS you need a third parte app to download stuff from the web... That is easier also on iOS right...
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lordofthereef
macrumors G5
There is, as I mentioned above, at least on Windows. As long as you have your machine networked, you need no (additional) hardware. But that isn't thanks to Apple. It's thanks to third party devs.
tbayrgs
macrumors 604
In the iOS dialed, immediate tab for favorites as well as voicemail and all tabs are labeled, don't see either functionality in the Android dialer and nothing is lableled. Safari has soft keys for all functions right at the bottom of the screen while you need to touch an options button (unlabeled with 3 vertical dots) to get to additional functionality. These are 2 cases where I find iOS more intuitive. Hopefully that clarifies.
And the speak to your reply to batting1000, you were mistaken as I wasn't looking for functionality. My original reply spoke to ease of use and my example was meant to illustrate a situation that was not easy in Android. I honestly do prefer Safari and if I want to sync my Safai bookmarks with my phone browser and keep them synced, I cannot easily do so.
batting1000
macrumors 604
Yeah, that was pretty much my point.
Questions and Opinions
Call me an idiot, and perhaps lazy for not Googling this but I wanted a straight-up clear answer.
Why is it important/why have people opted to buy an 'international' SGS3 as opposed to just an upright off the shelf normal one from their local shop/contract people?
I own a 4S. My first ever iPhone. I really wanted an Android before hand because of all the additional capabilities, but now it's come to pass I've realised I really don't care about seeing the weather on my home screen. I suppose it's all personal, but I hated how the old OS was inherently laggy - which was a big no no for me. iOS was smooth, fluid-like and efficient, with a much wider app-support base.
Recently, however, I saw the SGN running 4.1 and I was quite surprised. Jellybean has got this 'Butter' thing up and running and the entire UI is just impeccably quick. People say iOS 6 is playing catch up with the rest of the world, and to some extent I agree, but at least they nailed what 'Butter' has taken countless iterations to achieve.
Another question I have, if anyone might help, is that if I decided to jump-ship due to Apple's poor offering this Autumn (it might happen, and it's looking that way), if I bought a Google Nexus phone, would I still be given regular and fast updates to the latest Android OS as opposed to a bog-standard phone which doesn't get the OS update?
Cheers
Call me an idiot, and perhaps lazy for not Googling this but I wanted a straight-up clear answer.
Why is it important/why have people opted to buy an 'international' SGS3 as opposed to just an upright off the shelf normal one from their local shop/contract people?
I own a 4S. My first ever iPhone. I really wanted an Android before hand because of all the additional capabilities, but now it's come to pass I've realised I really don't care about seeing the weather on my home screen. I suppose it's all personal, but I hated how the old OS was inherently laggy - which was a big no no for me. iOS was smooth, fluid-like and efficient, with a much wider app-support base.
Recently, however, I saw the SGN running 4.1 and I was quite surprised. Jellybean has got this 'Butter' thing up and running and the entire UI is just impeccably quick. People say iOS 6 is playing catch up with the rest of the world, and to some extent I agree, but at least they nailed what 'Butter' has taken countless iterations to achieve.
Another question I have, if anyone might help, is that if I decided to jump-ship due to Apple's poor offering this Autumn (it might happen, and it's looking that way), if I bought a Google Nexus phone, would I still be given regular and fast updates to the latest Android OS as opposed to a bog-standard phone which doesn't get the OS update?
Cheers
tbayrgs
macrumors 604
With the hardware you currently own, no it cannot. I think everyone's point here though is that if you make the choice to go with other hardware, you can get these features.
I mentioned my HTPC. Thanks to a third party developer I can get Apple's airplay working on that too. As mentioned, I have used it all of twice. It's a neat party trick to show off AirPlay on a Windows machine though
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If we are starting on level ground, they are equally easy. If you are starting with safari already set up this way, it stands to reason that it will be more work to set up a new web browser than it would be to just keep using what you have now, right?
All right guys, let's just call this discussion completed and agree to disagree as we clearly are just sort of going in circles. My original post was only to reply to Sensamic's statement that Android is EASIER and that I thought ease of use is simply a matter of one's perspective, nothing else. He gave examples where he though Android was easier, i gave alternate examples where its not, nothing more. I never claimed iOS was more functional, I'm not that naive.
Enjoyed the lively discussion, even if we really didn't ended up anywhere other than where we started.
batting1000
macrumors 604
Call me an idiot, and perhaps lazy for not Googling this but I wanted a straight-up clear answer.
Why is it important/why have people opted to buy an 'international' SGS3 as opposed to just an upright off the shelf normal one from their local shop/contract people?
The international version is quad-core, versus a dual-core with 2GB here in the States.
I own a 4S. My first ever iPhone. I really wanted an Android before hand because of all the additional capabilities, but now it's come to pass I've realised I really don't care about seeing the weather on my home screen. I suppose it's all personal, but I hated how the old OS was inherently laggy - which was a big no no for me. iOS was smooth, fluid-like and efficient, with a much wider app-support base.
Recently, however, I saw the SGN running 4.1 and I was quite surprised. Jellybean has got this 'Butter' thing up and running and the entire UI is just impeccably quick. People say iOS 6 is playing catch up with the rest of the world, and to some extent I agree, but at least they nailed what 'Butter' has taken countless iterations to achieve.
Another question I have, if anyone might help, is that if I decided to jump-ship due to Apple's poor offering this Autumn (it might happen, and it's looking that way), if I bought a Google Nexus phone, would I still be given regular and fast updates to the latest Android OS as opposed to a bog-standard phone which doesn't get the OS update?
Yes, that's the point of the Nexus line of devices.
Cheers
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lordofthereef
macrumors G5
So in one instance (the dialer), illustrations is important. In Safari, there is no illustration, Just soft buttons. Why is that an issue in Android, but not iOS?
In terms of Safari use, that's great. Use the browser that is best for you. If you are set on Safari, yes, iOS is going to be the only mobile OS you can use it on. Might as well forget about even mentioning bookmark syncing though, because a device that isn't allowed to use Safari is never going to sync with Safari at all. That's why I took the duplicate functionality stance in the first place. I thought bookmark syncing is what mattered to you, not specifically using Safari which allows bookmark syncing into Safari.
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All right guys, let's just call this discussion completed and agree to disagree as we clearly are just sort of going in circles. My original post was only to reply to Sensamic's statement that Android is EASIER and that I thought ease of use is simply a matter of one's perspective, nothing else. He gave examples where he though Android was easier, i gave alternate examples where its not, nothing more. I never claimed iOS was more functional, I'm not that naive.
Enjoyed the lively discussion, even if we really didn't ended up anywhere other than where we started.
If you want to end the discussion, that's fine. As far as I can tell, it's a civil one, without any hurt feelings, so why ask others to stop?
I don't think we disagree on a whole lot. I don't think Android does many things easier than iOS. Just differently. I think both OS's can do largely the same things at this point in time. It's largely a preference of HOW you want to do those things, really.
tbayrgs
macrumors 604
Call me an idiot, and perhaps lazy for not Googling this but I wanted a straight-up clear answer.
Why is it important/why have people opted to buy an 'international' SGS3 as opposed to just an upright off the shelf normal one from their local shop/contract people?
I own a 4S. My first ever iPhone. I really wanted an Android before hand because of all the additional capabilities, but now it's come to pass I've realised I really don't care about seeing the weather on my home screen. I suppose it's all personal, but I hated how the old OS was inherently laggy - which was a big no no for me. iOS was smooth, fluid-like and efficient, with a much wider app-support base.
Recently, however, I saw the SGN running 4.1 and I was quite surprised. Jellybean has got this 'Butter' thing up and running and the entire UI is just impeccably quick. People say iOS 6 is playing catch up with the rest of the world, and to some extent I agree, but at least they nailed what 'Butter' has taken countless iterations to achieve.
Another question I have, if anyone might help, is that if I decided to jump-ship due to Apple's poor offering this Autumn (it might happen, and it's looking that way), if I bought a Google Nexus phone, would I still be given regular and fast updates to the latest Android OS as opposed to a bog-standard phone which doesn't get the OS update?
Cheers
The international version uses a different CPU (quad core vs. dual core in US variants). Us Yanks are stuck with the dual core due to the quad core's incompatibility with LTE (for now). Obviously then, the international version also isn't LTE compatible.
As far as the Google Nexus goes, I just dealt with this very same issue. Depending on where the GNex is sources from, it will come with a different OS build--takju is the US version sold through Google Play, yakju is the version sold in Western Europe, while versions from other parts of the world will have yakjuxx with xx being various other letters depending where it came from. Only takju and yakju are maintained by Google and will receive the updates first. The remainder are reliant upon Samsung for their OS updates.
I bought my GNex through Newegg here in the States and it came with the yakjuxw build so unfortunately I wasn't getting JB with all the other Google maintained builds. Problem was easily solved by unlocking the bootloader and flashing a copy of takju ICS 4.04. As soon as I had that installed, I checked for a system update and voila, had JB downloading and installed in a matter of minutes.
iosuser
macrumors 65816
I guess grass is always greener next door lol
I've been using a Gnex for 1.5 weeks now. Since Jelly Bean it is completely lag-free, every bit as fast and smooth as the 4S, in fact the browser feels faster than the 4S. BUT I've been itching to try the S3 the entire time, for the better camera, micro SD slot and perhaps the better battery life. The only thing holding me back is the two times that I demoed the S3 were less than impressive (surprising lag and ran hot). I'm having to restrain everyday not to blow my upgrade on the S3, hoping to save that upgrade just in case Apple surprises everyone with a bigger iPhone in both dimensions, but I'm perfectly comfortable with Jelly Bean now.
Sensamic
macrumors 68040
I guess grass is always greener next door lol
CM10 Jelly Bean ROM just released for the SGS3.
batting1000
macrumors 604
Except it's an alpha.
tbayrgs
macrumors 604
I was only comparing app to app. Sure there's no labels in either browser but I don't have to hit a soft key in Safari to list all of the functions, they're within thumbs reach at the bottom of the screen.
My apologies, didnt mean to imply any ill feeling directed your way. I'm beat and off to bed, just wanted to wrap it up rather than appear to be ignoring it.
My original intended point, exactly. I just take issue with someone trying to impose their opinion as absolute fact and that's how I interpretated Sensamic's original post. Thanks for clearly stating what I was obviously unable to do.
