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I would recommend a 600/650d with a tameron 18 - 270mm and a canon 55mm 1.8. Would also suggest getting a speedlite (480/580) too.

The 600/650d are great for getting into DLSR photography and all the above will fall into your budget without going ott. Will keep you snapping for years to come.
 
I would recommend a 600/650d with a tameron 18 - 270mm and a canon 55mm 1.8. Would also suggest getting a speedlite (480/580) too.

The 600/650d are great for getting into DLSR photography and all the above will fall into your budget without going ott. Will keep you snapping for years to come.

Super zooms often lack quality that one would want, especially since OP said they wanted something better than an entry level camera.
 
I have, a little bit.

I was looking at the Canon 70D and kind of liked it so I was maybe interested in that one? Anyone have experience with it? What are you guys thoughts on it?

I have tried it and my over all feeling was "damn, this is fast".
Focus is quick and it shoots more shots/s than most people need.
The wifi is fun, you can control the camera from your iphone/ipad and also send your photos wireless to the iDevice/your computer.

That being said, the camera wont perform as intended when paired with a cheap kit-lens.

Spend 1/3 of your budget on the camera body and 2/3 on glass, that will give you best value in the long run.

Regardless of what camera you buy it will be worth next to nothing in 3 years time and feel very very dated and old.

Good glass will be just as nice in 10, 20 or maybe even 30 years if you take good care of it.
 
Thanks again guys for all your help!

After doing a bit of research now I'm between the Canon 70D and Nikon D7100....

Which brand do you all think has the better selection of lenses? or which brand has the best lenses?
 
You havnt explained if this will be a learning camera or if you expect to 'get results' right out of the gate. For 1k of pure learning, id get a 5D mk1 and a 50 1.4 lens. Spend a year messing around, learning controls, having fun. By the time youre ready for money shots, youll know what you want to do and how to do it.
 
You havnt explained if this will be a learning camera or if you expect to 'get results' right out of the gate. For 1k of pure learning, id get a 5D mk1 and a 50 1.4 lens. Spend a year messing around, learning controls, having fun. By the time youre ready for money shots, youll know what you want to do and how to do it.

This is what most people don't get. If you're new to photography and you by an entry level or pro SLR, you'll get almost the same results. It takes time and a lot of practice to learn what makes a technically good picture. At 50 times the time and practice to learn what makes a good composition.

By the time you reach a point where an entry-level camera would start to limit you, whatever you'd have bought would be very out of date, so you're better off buying a starter camera and saving the money now for the best you can afford when you're actually able to take advantage of it.

As a side effect, when the the times comes, you'll know exactly how you're constrained by your camera and you'll know exactly what to buy with your budget. You won't need to ask for advice from strangers on a forum who can't really help you because they don't know you.
 
Which brand do you all think has the better selection of lenses? or which brand has the best lenses?

Both Canon and Nikon have good entry level series and top line lens series. Also 3rd parties like Sigma and Tamron make excellent lenses with Canon and Nikon mounts. In fact Sigma and Tamron make some lenses that are sold by Nikon and Canon. If you stick with lenses from either body maker, plus Sigma and/or Tamron you wouldn't go far wrong.
 
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Thank you all for your input! All very good advice even though sometimes I was reading some of your posts and I understood most of what you all were talking about but some of it was just going over my head because I did not understand some of the technical terms lol Definitely need a crash course on basic photography lol but thank you all for your help. I really appreciate it!

Not a problem. I've only been doing photography for about 6 months. I've learnt so much already. The guides section on dpreview.com is a useful tool for learning. http://www.dpreview.com/articles/4227562267/enthusiast-interchangeable-lens-camera-2013-roundup

They actually recommend the Cannon you mention.
 
Super zooms often lack quality that one would want, especially since OP said they wanted something better than an entry level camera.

Have you tried the Tameron? The quality from it is actually great for a super zoom and i highly recommend it.

I have both a 70d and a 650d and something like the 650d would suit the OP better until capable of getting the most out of a 70d. This is just my opinion of course.

Both are great cameras btw.. Enjoy it..
 
Tamron 18-270 is my walk around lens for the 7D. For the 5DIII it is Canon 24-105.

You will be pleased by the quality and range of the 18-270 for the cost. It is an excellent value. And putting it on a crop sensor body doubles the reach.
 
IMHO Mirrorless is another option. Lots to choose from.

I use a NEX 6, it's the same size image sensor as any APS-C DSLR.

+1... NEX 6 is an extremely good and versatile camera with a APS-C sized sensor (same one in some Nikons).

OP, you may want to include within your budget some editing software (such as Lightroom or Aperture). You may even want a tripod, reflector, etc...

As others have stated, the camera body isn't necessarily the most important thing. Try several to get a feel for the ergonomics, button layout, etc. In the end, it's about having your camera with you, and being able to use it to take the shot you want, and then editing it to polish it into a photograph.

My good friend uses a 5D Mk2, after trading up from a T3i -> 60D -> 7D... it seems it hasn't improved his photos for him, and his kit is too large and expensive to bring anywhere, so he's now getting rid of all of it.

NEX 6 is worth a good long consideration.
 
True, but quite irrelevant for most users…even those who think they need that.

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If you want to overpay and get a camera with a sensor that lacks dynamic range and is noisy, then buy a Canon. Nikon and Pentax DSLRs use sensors (Sony) that have significantly more dynamic range and the Pentax are less noisy than both Nikon and Canon.

Hmmm…if Nikon uses Sony sensors, why "overpaying" for a Nikon camera that has a Sony sensor? Why not buying a Sony camera with the top of the line Sony sensor, one that does not cost as much as a Nikon with the same sensor?

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I would recommend a Canon-refurbished 6D, straight from Canon. You get a 1-year warranty with it, and a very good discount.
 
Hmmm…if Nikon uses Sony sensors, why "overpaying" for a Nikon camera that has a Sony sensor? Why not buying a Sony camera with the top of the line Sony sensor, one that does not cost as much as a Nikon with the same sensor?

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I would recommend a Canon-refurbished 6D, straight from Canon. You get a 1-year warranty with it, and a very good discount.

Because Sony cameras are noisy as hell. Apparently, sony could give a damn about image noise. Nikon, and especially Pentax have significantly less noise using the same sensor. Check the dpreview comparisons with noise reduction off and on. It's not even close.

In addition, most Sony lenses are junk.
 
Oh I didnt know Canon did trading...yeah the budget is for body only, I know lenses are more but I figured I can slowly buy lenses as the time goes by, I want to start with body first and then I'm going to take a look at lenses. If I can find a kit with lenses and camera too that would be awesome. I just need to know what camera body to start with...you guys are giving great advice, thanks!

The camera body hardly matters. Any of them made by ether Canone or Nikon will do. I happen to like the larger Nikon bodies. I have an older D200 and a pile of lenses going back to the 1970's

You really should look into a used body. You can get very good results for about $200

If you are looking for video then that's different. Newer bodies are required. For for still photography a used Canon 450D can still create publishable images. You'd only use 1/4 of your budget.

Same on the Nikon side, look for the body that was just discontinued. But even new their entry level SLR is only 1/2 your budget.
 
here's my advice for the original poster:

Do you have friends that use one brand, or a user community? Then perhaps go with that brand - it will give you opportunity to share lenses, get help on features, etc.

At RIT's photo school (back when I was there) almost everyone went with Canon, so when I had to choose a brand I went with Canon for the above reason. he Brand has served me very well since.

That doesn't mean that there's anything wrong with Nikon either though. The two brands just go back and forth with each model release looking for some feature to tout to try to take the lead - but it's the photographer that matters, not the tech.

Look at the Nat Geo Afghan girl photo - did it matter that the Steve McCurry didn't have the latest better or whistle on his 1985 camera? That picture will be great forever.

I do recommend getting a refurb model - search canon direct. My last camera, two lenses and flash all came form refurb - and I can not tell them apart from new and you can obviously save serious money.

Specific to the model - I would step up from rebel for you can form one reason. The better cameras are build better - have a little more resistance to rain and salt and dust. That alone makes it worth it to me. The step up will usually also have better automated exposure and focus. You can also resell a step up model - a rebel will not be resalable. The 60D is an example of a step up camera, $575 refurb from canon.

Lens - this is where you want to spend your money. In my opinion, L is worth it. Obviously better glass, and great resale. Some people like the EF 24-105mm f/4L as a general lens, (I have one) but on a walk crop camera like the 60D, it isn;t as wide as I would like. Canon's refurb mobiles (including lenses) are often sold for 20% off when they build up too much inventory - check deal sites to become aware of these sales.

good luck - mac rumors probably isn't the best place to get advice. :) I like http://www.the-digital-picture.com/ a lot - very solid advice - probably exactly what you need. dpreview.com does good reviews.
 
Spend less on a body and more on the lens. I'd go with a Canon 60D ($600) and add a mid-range zoom like a 17-55 F/2.8IS. A mint condition Canon 17-55 IS is around $600.
 
If budget is an issue, check out Best Buy and their financing options.

I was able to pick up a Canon 6D with an EF 24-105mm f/4 lens and a new Best Buy credit card. 36 months no interest financing, so I'm paying $80 a month.

$80 a month versus paying $2690 outright is more affordable for me. I can't afford to drop three grand in one fowl swoop, but over time I can. :D
 
I wanted to throw my humble input in here too. I bought my first dlsr last July and I'm obsessed. There are tons of great options out there right now. Some are right for where you're at today and some are more applicable for you down the road. I think now is an excellent time to get into photography as the cameras + lenses are being upgraded quite nicely. Some lenses that are 20+ years old are just now seeing upgrades.

Most people are super passionate about HOW they take pictures and the gear they used. It's incredibly personal and because of that we're all very attached to the tech that made it possible. So take everyones advice with a grain of salt. Mine included. Except on the lenses. Better lenses will give you better results on every camera.

Here's the route I went. Not saying you need to do the same, but thought I'd share my experience and purchase choices. I found I love shooting only prime lenses. This means my lens is only one focal length. I like the limitations on having to "zoom with my feet." I've found it pushes me to learn faster and be more creative with what I'm trying to shoot. So, here's the gear that I purchased in purchase order and the prices I got it all for. Everything was new.

Gear:
Canon SL1 - $750 (I love the smaller size and it's really lightweight. I can take it anywhere and not feel "burdened" by bringing my dslr. The size may be completely wrong for you, but it fits nicely in my hands. Currently $500 on amazon body only)

Canon 50mm 1.8 - $125 (The ever popular Nifty Fifty. Excellent lens that can be used in a variety of shoots.)

Canon 35mm f2 USM IS - $550 (LOVE this bad boy. Amazing all around prime. Ridiculously sharp and perfect focal length on the crop sensor.)

Canon 85mm 1.8 - $320 (THE portrait king unless you're looking at L glass at 4x the cost.)

Accessaries:
Lightroom 5 - $150 (if you're a student it's cheaper)
Bag - $50
SD cards - $30
Extra battery - $40

Total: $2015

I really want to focus on portraits, but as I've been filling my portfolio I've been shooting all over the place. Portraits, street photography (REALLY love this), musicians and landscapes. Check out my site for some examples if you want. My logo is absolutely terrible and I'm working on fixing that. But otherwise take a look at what I was able to do with a $2000 budget. http://www.thirdprincephotography.com

Best of luck to you and welcome to the obsession!
 
Hello all,

I'm a graphic designer and I'm looking to get into photography as a hobby and hopefully later as a little side job. I'm obviously a beginner in photography so I'm looking for a good DSLR camera to start. I don't want the beginner beginner cameras or the super expensive professional ones (like the 5D mark III) but one in the middle. I want a good one so that I can learn all the settings and stuff. I was looking at the Canon 70d or the 60d, but not I'm not sure. That's why I turned to you guys since you guys know more than me. :) Can you guys help me and help recommend a good one? Thanks!

First of all, you need to think a lot about ergonomics before you start. Do you really have the gumption to haul a DSLR and 2-3 lenses around every time you want to shoot? If you get at all serious, expand that to a DSLR, tripod, 3-5 flash units, 5-8 lenses, 2-3 extra batteries...

If the answer to that is honestly "yes," then forget all your preconceived notions about "beginner." A DSLR is a body, power source and sensor. The price delta between "beginner" and "intermediate" is normally stuff that makes it "easier" to access manual settings, or the capability at all. Furthermore, cameras like the 5DmkIII are actually "prosumer" bodies, the professional bodies cost much more. But the difference between the entry level bodies and the pro bodies are things that are mostly corner cases and durability. If you treat your camera well, the only durability issue is shutter life if you purchase used.

Now, the next issue is brand. There are essentially three brand choices: Canon, Nikon and "Not Canon or Nikon." The first two own the lion's share of the DSLR market. As top dogs, they have the option of pricing and releasing what they want, when they want and where they want it. Everyone else has to offer more value for the same amount of money. If you want access to a wide range of 3rd party accessories (especially flashes and flash triggers,) the ability to borrow or rent lenses, a wider lense assortment and an easy resale and used lens market, your only logical choice is to go with one of the big two. If you're quirky and non-conformist, or if you don't like big players, or if you want a lot of features not offered at a low price point by the big two, then look carefully at the other players- but choose wisely if you do.

Ok, so now we get to "Canon or Nikon?" That is, of course if we haven't lost you to a third brand.

Advantages: Nikon- Eats its parents.
Nikon- Lens compatibility.
Nikon- Noise (today, it switches brands as sensor generations come out.)
Canon- Warranty, especially internationally.
Canon- Better tilt/shift lens options, though they're outside your budget.
Canon- Popularity (You're more likely to have a friend who has one.)

If you travel a lot internationally and expect to someday move out of the consumer-grade cameras, then Canon is the easy choice. If you think you'll just grab the next well-priced body, then the first advantage I list for Nikon needs explaining. Nikon has happily release consumer-level and prosumer-level DSLRs that have features that outperform their last generation of professional DSLRs. They don't seem to mind outclassing a $3500+ camera body when the technology is ready but the high-end refresh isn't.

A bit on lens compatibility. Nikon lenses made since about 1977 work on every body they produce with a couple of exceptions that don't really matter. That makes for a huge pool of older lenses on the used market. Some of those lenses still perform very well, so if you think you'll eventually want some old, heavy but cheaper than new glass, it's a bonus. More importantly, both Nikon and Canon started out making DSLRs with "crop" sensors- and all the consumer models and some of the professional models are or were crop bodies. Nikon's crop lenses (DX in Nikon parlance) fit and work in "crop mode" on Nikon's "full-frame" (FX in Nikon parlance) bodies. Canon's crop lenses are incompatible with Canon's full-frame bodies. So if you see yourself going to a larger sensor in the future and may want to use a specialty lens, like an ultra-wide angle that you've purchased in the intervening years, then it's a good feature.

Now for a caveat that may be obvious- I shoot Nikon and have since the late '80's. There was a period of time in the 90's where I'd have changed if I could have, and now there's no way I'd change- each vendor gains an advantage here and there for a period of time. For example, there was a period of time where Canon's multi-thousand dollar super-telephotos were cheaper than Nikon's by the price of a pro camera body! Last time I seriously hunted, that situation was almost exactly reversed.

Let's just revisit that "entry level" assumption again.

A $1700 lens on a $600 body will outperform a $600 lens on a $1700 body under 98% of shooting conditions. Inside that 2% it will matter greatly what features either body has.

There are a couple of other things to think about:

Ergonomics: Especially if you have smaller hands, how a body fits and balances and how easy it is to change common setting while you're shooting may be important. Once you get used to a particular set of ergonomics, then it's easier to shoot that vendor's line without thinking. If you have the chance, go fondle potential candidates as well as their brethren in a vendor's lineup to see how they "fit" you.

Used: You can save a heck of a lot of money getting a generation or two's older body and used lenses. With the body, the big things are (a) a chance to test it and (b) knowing how many shutter activations it's had. With a lens, the big thing is the ability to take and analyze test shots, or at least look at shots taken with the specific lens.

Paul
 
Because Sony cameras are noisy as hell. Apparently, sony could give a damn about image noise. Nikon, and especially Pentax have significantly less noise using the same sensor. Check the dpreview comparisons with noise reduction off and on. It's not even close.

In addition, most Sony lenses are junk.

I see, but you don't have to use Sony lenses if you don't want to. Other than that, the best Sony lenses are made by Zeiss. Are you trying to tell me that Zeiss lenses are junk?
 
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Because Sony cameras are noisy as hell. Apparently, sony could give a damn about image noise. Nikon, and especially Pentax have significantly less noise using the same sensor. Check the dpreview comparisons with noise reduction off and on. It's not even close.

In addition, most Sony lenses are junk.

The new FF mirrorless cameras are said to have very little noise. That and you can use adapters for different brand lenses. Not to mention, they're only slightly larger than Oly mirrorless cameras.
 
I would get a used Nikon or canon.
Doesn't particularly matter which, as neither of them make a bad DSLR.

Get an entry model, something like the D3100 and a 35/50mm prime. (the Nikon 35/1.8 would be ideal, I think Canon has a good cheap 50mm)

Use that for a year, and then sell it for what you paid, and then you will be in a much better position to know what you do or do not need.

If you don't know what you are doing...an expensive camera won't help you.
If you know what you are doing you can take a fantastic photo with an iPhone.

The camera is probably the least important part of the photography process.
 
Nikon d3100, 3200 or 3300 (especially 3200) are really good starting points.
the canon SLR-1 is a good choice to.
In a year or 2, make a better informed desition before spending big money.
If you want to spend anyway, the Canon 6D (1400usd body in amazon) is the best camera for the money right now.
 
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