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Hi,

I’m a photographer and always used Apple for everything... Since my first iMac after almost 10 years gave up, I’m looking for something new... Well, after looking prices, to buy a new iMac or Mac Pro, the price to far away what I want to spent... So I wanna ask if someone can help me, because I don’t know how many ram or ghz is the best for my needs, if quad core or 8 core, i5 or i7, etc... I searched for explanation in the internet and I get more confused than before...

Thanks
 
IMHO for your needs the best is a 2009 cMP, single processor upgraded to 5.1 with a X5690 or W5690 (so Six core @3.46GHz), for photograpy non need for a dual processor

ram 16Gb or more...

an ssd SATA for boot and a couple of HDD in raid 1 for Storage

check the sticky message for all the explanations
 
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You might want to check out this website .
It might be confusing at first as well, but it answers a lot of the basic questions .

There is not one single solution for everybody ; for a better reply you should add more information about your needs, workflow, programs you use etc ..
 
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Hi,

I’m a photographer and always used Apple for everything... Since my first iMac after almost 10 years gave up, I’m looking for something new... Well, after looking prices, to buy a new iMac or Mac Pro, the price to far away what I want to spent... So I wanna ask if someone can help me, because I don’t know how many ram or ghz is the best for my needs, if quad core or 8 core, i5 or i7, etc... I searched for explanation in the internet and I get more confused than before...

Thanks
You might want to let the board know where you're at. I have iMacs and Mac Pros, but shipping them domestically is cost prohibitive. You may find that another board denizen close to you geographically has a unit that they haven't listed due to shipping costs.
 
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What is your budget? What applications do you use? What is (or was) the configuration of your iMac? Were you satisfied with its performance? Is there a reason you're not considering another iMac?
 
What is your budget? What applications do you use? What is (or was) the configuration of your iMac? Were you satisfied with its performance? Is there a reason you're not considering another iMac?

Thank you for your response...
The applications I mostly use is Photoshop and Final Cut... The latest version of this applications are to much for my old iMac, so iI just want to know what best option is to use this application without any problems...
 
Thank you for your response...
The applications I mostly use is Photoshop and Final Cut... The latest version of this applications are to much for my old iMac, so iI just want to know what best option is to use this application without any problems...
You're welcome. Can you provide us with a budget? What was the configuration of your iMac? Having answers to these will help us offer suggestions.

Is there a reason you're not considering another iMac? I ask because that form factor appears to have been working fine for you and that product line is much more up to date than the Mac Pro line. You can buy a much more up to date iMac than you can a Mac Pro, the latest model of Mac Pro was made available in 2013 and uses technology that predates its release. Unless you have a specific reason to avoid an iMac or choose a Mac Pro I would strongly encourage you to look into one as a replacement.

If you're set on a Mac Pro you really have two options: The classic Mac Pro (cMP) which, for any recommendation, will be either a 2009, 2010, or 2012 model (they're basically the same with minor differences in configurations) and the current, or "new", Mac Pro (nMP).

Many here dislike the nMP because of its lack of upgradability but it was designed for Final Cut making it a good choice for that. It also offers higher speed (USB 3, Thunderbolt) ports. I have one of these systems and I'm very pleased with its performance (though I don't do any heavy lifting with it). Its downsides are the aforementioned upgradability, price (they still command a decent price even for the age of the technology contained within), and there have been problems with some of the graphics cards (Apple has an extended replacement program for them).

The cMP is well loved by most here, primarily because of its upgradability. However the technology used in this version is even older...2009. While a capable technology it is starting to show its age. The good thing is you can put higher end graphics cards, many of which exceed the capabilities of the best graphics offered in the nMP, in them. However there are caveats so if you want to go this route be sure to research / ask questions (a lot of discussion in this forum about graphics card upgrades).

If you decide to purchase a cMP do not buy anything before 2009. If budget permits I would recommend a 2010 or 2012 model. Given they're upgradeable you could purchase a low end configuration and upgrade components as your requirements dictate. The only choice I think you should make before purchase is if you want a single or dual processor system. While a single processor system can be upgraded to a dual processor one the cost of doing so is such that you may as well sell the single processor system and buy a dual processor one (at least it used to be that way when I looked a couple of years ago). Upgrading the RAM, disks, graphics, and processors on the 2009-2012 models is fairly simple. So if your budget is tight buy a low end system and upgrade as needed.

If you decide a dual processor system is for you I strongly urge you to avoid the 2009 model. Upgrading the processors on the 2009 dual processor model is possible but not nearly as simple as on all the other models. This applies only to the 2009 dual processor model. Also, if you decide to buy a 2010 or 2012 model make sure to verify, based on serial number, the one you're considering is a genuine 2010/2012 model and not an upgraded 2009.

HTH
 
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You're welcome. Can you provide us with a budget? What was the configuration of your iMac? Having answers to these will help us offer suggestions.

Is there a reason you're not considering another iMac? I ask because that form factor appears to have been working fine for you and that product line is much more up to date than the Mac Pro line. You can buy a much more up to date iMac than you can a Mac Pro, the latest model of Mac Pro was made available in 2013 and uses technology that predates its release. Unless you have a specific reason to avoid an iMac or choose a Mac Pro I would strongly encourage you to look into one as a replacement.

If you're set on a Mac Pro you really have two options: The classic Mac Pro (cMP) which, for any recommendation, will be either a 2009, 2010, or 2012 model (they're basically the same with minor differences in configurations) and the current, or "new", Mac Pro (nMP).

Many here dislike the nMP because of its lack of upgradability but it was designed for Final Cut making it a good choice for that. It also offers higher speed (USB 3, Thunderbolt) ports. I have one of these systems and I'm very pleased with its performance (though I don't do any heavy lifting with it). Its downsides are the aforementioned upgradability, price (they still command a decent price even for the age of the technology contained within), and there have been problems with some of the graphics cards (Apple has an extended replacement program for them).

The cMP is well loved by most here, primarily because of its upgradability. However the technology used in this version is even older...2009. While a capable technology it is starting to show its age. The good thing is you can put higher end graphics cards, many of which exceed the capabilities of the best graphics offered in the nMP, in them. However there are caveats so if you want to go this route be sure to research / ask questions (a lot of discussion in this forum about graphics card upgrades).

If you decide to purchase a cMP do not buy anything before 2009. If budget permits I would recommend a 2010 or 2012 model. Given they're upgradeable you could purchase a low end configuration and upgrade components as your requirements dictate. The only choice I think you should make before purchase is if you want a single or dual processor system. While a single processor system can be upgraded to a dual processor one the cost of doing so is such that you may as well sell the single processor system and buy a dual processor one (at least it used to be that way when I looked a couple of years ago). Upgrading the RAM, disks, graphics, and processors on the 2009-2012 models is fairly simple. So if your budget is tight buy a low end system and upgrade as needed.

If you decide a dual processor system is for you I strongly urge you to avoid the 2009 model. Upgrading the processors on the 2009 dual processor model is possible but not nearly as simple as on all the other models. This applies only to the 2009 dual processor model. Also, if you decide to buy a 2010 or 2012 model make sure to verify, based on serial number, the one you're considering is a genuine 2010/2012 model and not an upgraded 2009.

HTH

My budget is 1000€ maximum... What is the best option for this budget? My biggest concern is buy I one anda after two or three years I’ve got this same problem like now, the application are to “heavy“...
 
My budget is 1000€ maximum... What is the best option for this budget? My biggest concern is buy I one anda after two or three years I’ve got this same problem like now, the application are to “heavy“...

Well, I always thought that a Mac Pro is better than a iMac and easier to upgrade... I’m considering all options in this budget (1000€)...
 
My budget is 1000€ maximum... What is the best option for this budget? My biggest concern is buy I one anda after two or three years I’ve got this same problem like now, the application are to “heavy“...
This budget excludes the nMP unless you find a quad core version at a bargain basement price. You can buy a decently configured 2009/2010/2012 cMP for this amount. Even a dual processor version should be easily possible. As to the configuration I will have to defer to those who know more about the applications you use.

With that said if you're worried about future performance issues keep in mind the cMP is based on 10 year old technology. If this is a concern I highly recommend considering a newer iMac.
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Well, I always thought that a Mac Pro is better than a iMac and easier to upgrade... I’m considering all options in this budget (1000€)...
The cMP is much easier to upgrade than the iMac or even the nMP. Do you need upgradability?
 
This budget excludes the nMP unless you find a quad core version at a bargain basement price. You can buy a decently configured 2009/2010/2012 cMP for this amount. Even a dual processor version should be easily possible. As to the configuration I will have to defer to those who know more about the applications you use.
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The cMP is much easier to upgrade than the iMac or even the nMP. Do you need upgradability?

Thank you for you quick response and your help...
 
Well, I always thought that a Mac Pro is better than a iMac and easier to upgrade... I’m considering all options in this budget (1000€)...

A well sorted cMP is possible at that pricepoint .
Trouble is, low cost isn't free - you need to do your research to put together the right machine for you .

pl1984 gave good advice above on the cMPs ; with your budget, I personally would look for - as a minimum - a 2009 - 2012 single CPU, 6 core 3.33 Ghz , no less than 24 GB of RAM, SSDs for system and scratch drives , GPU as needed .
 
You should be able to get a nice cMP for your budget.
- Baseline cMP, 2009 or 2010: $400
- x5680 upgrade: $50
- 32GB RAM: $100
- Sapphire Pulse RX 580 8GB: $300
- 256GB SSD: $70
- Inatek KT4004 USB 3 PCie Card: $40

I get that these are in dollars and not euros. For the sake of discussion, they can be the same.

The X5680 CPU has come down in price from just a few months ago. These are from used servers, and work well, I have one in my 2009 cMP (flashed to 5,1).
I think for external drives, and for reading SDXC cards and the like, you'll want USB 3 capability.

The Sapphire Pulse RX 580 8GB is the card Apple has said they will support going forward for 10.14, and for eGPU. For FCPX, it's a nice card. SSD is a boot drive. If you have more, you can use for scratch drive, which can help performance. Of course, you'll need media/project drives, which I haven't included here.
 
Hi,

I’m a photographer and always used Apple for everything... Since my first iMac after almost 10 years gave up, I’m looking for something new... Well, after looking prices, to buy a new iMac or Mac Pro, the price to far away what I want to spent... So I wanna ask if someone can help me, because I don’t know how many ram or ghz is the best for my needs, if quad core or 8 core, i5 or i7, etc... I searched for explanation in the internet and I get more confused than before...

Thanks

Reading your post’s I get the impression your not handy with building computers? If you are then a cMP can be good as advised.
If not then I’d suggest an older 27” iMac with a Core i7 and fusion hard drive. It’s very easy to upgrade the memory in this machine, just make sure you get one which allows it.
You may even be able to find one with a 5k screen for that price second hand?
 
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Here is one for you to consider. It only has 12gb of RAM but what you are saving in initial cost you can use towards more RAM.

OP stated he had a budget of €1,000, which means he is based in Europe. A MP from the US is a non-starter due to shipping and import cost plus that particular seller will not ship outside of the US, anyway.
 
You might want to let the board know where you're at. I have iMacs and Mac Pros, but shipping them domestically is cost prohibitive. You may find that another board denizen close to you geographically has a unit that they haven't listed due to shipping costs.
Try carrying one 400 feet out of a Hamfest then you will really have an idea why its so expensive hehe
 
If you are concerned about longevity then also need to take into account how much longer Apple will support the hardware. Been finding that need to be on the latest OS X version to get the app updates.
 
Well, I always thought that a Mac Pro is better than a iMac and easier to upgrade... I’m considering all options in this budget (1000€)...
iMacs are horrible machines, stick with your original plan to get a Mac Pro. Smarter move. iMacs burn themselves up by heating up the internal components until they fail. You'll have nothing but problems if you use it on a regular basis.

Also, let me add, that is specifically my experience with the iMac line of computers. Someone will probably contradict my statement, but if you have a look at YouTube you'll see lots of evidence for what I've stated.
 
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iMacs are horrible machines, stick with your original plan to get a Mac Pro. Smarter move. iMacs burn themselves up by heating up the internal components until they fail. You'll have nothing but problems if you use it on a regular basis.

Also, let me add, that is specifically my experience with the iMac line of computers. Someone will probably contradict my statement, but if you have a look at YouTube you'll see lots of evidence for what I've stated.
This is a fact. I had a 2010 27" iMac that started having GPU issues due to heat. The more I researched I found this to be a common occurrence. My local repair center (not Apple) had just completed his 3rd one in about 2 weeks and all were 27" and the total cost was almost $700. I figured I might as well put that money towards a MacPro that would last longer than that iMac. I spoke to another user here that has replaced the GPU in his iMac at least twice. Heat isn't that much of an issue with the 21" iMacs but the 27" iMac generate a lot of heat. I use my computer all the time and as such never shut it off unless going away for more than a day.
 
Hi,

I’m a photographer and always used Apple for everything... Since my first iMac after almost 10 years gave up, I’m looking for something new... Well, after looking prices, to buy a new iMac or Mac Pro, the price to far away what I want to spent... So I wanna ask if someone can help me, because I don’t know how many ram or ghz is the best for my needs, if quad core or 8 core, i5 or i7, etc... I searched for explanation in the internet and I get more confused than before...

Thanks

For your 1,000 euro budget you'd probably be a good match for a used 21.5" iMac for what you want to do. If you intention is to buy something now and use it for 3-5 years ( something approaching the length of your last Mac ) then some of these other options have problems.

If you had time until November I'd say wait for a new Mac Mini. but it sounds like you have have a short time ( 'gave up' sounds like not working) and modest budget constraints. Right now that is a bigger problem than it should be.


1. The Mac Pro 2010-2012 models are about as old as your 2011 iMac. Old is an issue.

Apple Vintage and Obsolete List The Mac Pro 2009 has been on it for more than several months (and hasn't been getting OS upgrades. Yes there is a way to tap dance around that but it is indicative on the end of scope as far as Apple is concerned). The 2010 is now on the Vintage List ( yes it is getting work-arounds for macOS 14 , but that is more so because the next Mac Pro is grossly late. Once, it arrives it is extremely likley Apple is going to put the 2010 in the same "no go" box as they have the 2009 in now. )

1,000 into something that Apple is going to de-support in a year or so. If the plan is to be on the this same system for 3+ years at some point you'll be cut off with one of those options.

You'll find the 2009 and 2010 going "Mac Mini" cheap on used markets. However, that is partially because they are on the Vintage and Obsolete list. The sellers are higher than the buyers because many folks are getting off. The key question should be why should you get on if most folks are leaving. ( Folks who already own Mac Pro 2009-2012 models is a slightly different issue. They probably are not looking to spend another 3+ years on the system. Most of them are circling the airport until next Mac Pro or some other exit over he next couple of years. The mindset often in couch in that context. )


You have a CPU with no AVX and creeping up on 10 years of no instruction set updates. That isn't a great foundation for another 5-10 years of use.


2. Even at reduced prices the MP 2013 would hit your budget. Perhaps can hit the lotto with someone dumping one. But a 1K would be so far off the norm prices that The Vintage/Obsolete clock isn't running on the MP 2013 because it hasn't been superseded yet, but as soon as Apple can start that clock it is probably going onto that list as fast as they can.


3. On the 27" model many folks try to "max out" the GPU and run into problems. 21.5 GPUs are more modest in heat. It isn't quite the same "over stufing" situation. The 21.5 models are also more affordable ( given the budget is an issue).

A 2015 iMac 21.5" Retina may have sunk down to the 1K euro range by now (at most larger used Mac places with warranties they won't but may find someone reputable on a web exchange ) . You'd be looking for the larger RAM option (since RAM access is hard) . If you have any Thunderbolt 2 peripherals those would match up without an adapter ( saving money). You also get USB 3 ports ( so don't have to buy a USB 3 card. )

A 2015 iMac is likely 4-5 years away from hitting the vintage/obsolete list. That gives you a reasonable service lifetime window.

4. The problem with older 27" no retina is that backslides all the way back to 2013 which is another jumping out of fry pan and into fire option. The clock has been running on it too long for it to be a long term forward solution.

There may be some 27" Retina 2014 range that have dropped to 1K but that is shooting a needle for a unicorn ( in terms of non abused model and edge of lifetime. ). The late 2015 had three options: the M380 is probably better than the M395. ( In short, don't chase max GPU stats. )


5. If your iMac 2011 was doing "OK" in the last two years in performance ( then probably not trying to do 4-8K video work and ultra-super big picture work in Photoshop. ), then the latest, greatest high power GPU isn't particular necessary. And with the budget not really practical in the Mac space.

The 21.5" 2015 doesn't have a Max RAM capacity bigger than the 2011 models. If can get something under 1K and have money for an SSD that is probably the best performance bump. ( Get a UASP USB 3.0 enclosure and put a good SSD in it. Or a Thunderbolt+SSD if budget fits that).

P.S. There is an entry level 21.5" with an MBA processor in it over the last several years. A used one of those is probably definitely under the 1K budget but, that specific one is not appropriate (no matter how cheap). There are quad core models. One of those with 16GB ram. Is what I pointing to.
 
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For your 1,000 euro budget you'd probably be a good match for a used 21.5" iMac for what you want to do. If you intention is to buy something now and use it for 3-5 years ( something approaching the length of your last Mac ) then some of these other options have problems.

The OP is running Final Cut and doing some video. The more video you do the complex you start to make your videos. I don't see any of the iMac models in his price range being able to handle that task well. I think it will frustrate him with the lag and length of time to render complex videos.

Unfortunately right now there is nothing for that price range other than a 2010/2012 cMP that will get him to his goal of budget and able to handle workload.

The newer iMacs have either 8 or 16 Gb or RAM and are not user upgradable. Yes there are video's on how to do but the average user isn't going to do that.

As for investing in a machine (cMP) that is soon to be obsolete, well one has to get what one can afford and still do the job. The cMP will be able to get the work done he describes for a while. Does he need the latest and greatest OS? Probably not. In the minimum timeframe he should be able to get at least 3-5 years out of it before it goes unsupported.

He has a few options

1: Continue with the iMac platform as desconstruct60 suggests. (IMHO not a good option given the user is doing video rendering and his budget and the newer iMacs are not really user upgradable without lots of work.)

2: Get a cMP in the 2010/2012 or flashed 2009 food group and build it up. Parts are readily available and prices are coming down every day. Downside as pointed out obsolete in a couple of years.

3: Wait for the new MacPro to be released and hope the 2013 MacPro comes down in price. Downside again will soon be obsolete once new MacPro is released.

4. Go with a MacBook Pro or something similar and get a eGPU but that would probably be way over budget.

IMHO option 2 is the best avenue for the OP to get a machine capable of handling his workflow and not break his budget. Then in about 5 years get a new machine if he feels that he needs one.
 
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The OP is running Final Cut and doing some video. The more video you do the complex you start to make your videos. I don't see any of the iMac models in his price range being able to handle that task well. I think it will frustrate him with the lag and length of time to render complex videos.
This presupposes the OP wasn't already using an iMac for this type of work. Given he was and that the iMac he was using is ten years old a later model iMac should meet his current needs and possibly more given it has newer technology.

For example this iMac might be a good fit for him (MODS: Not my auction):

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Apple-iM...853910?hash=item2864cd15d6:g:aM4AAOSw8fVbVztb

It has a 2.9GHz Core i5 Haswell processor, 16GB RAM, 256GB factory SSD, 2 Thunderbolt ports, 4 USB 3.0 ports, and supports the current OS as well as expected to support 10.14. Grade A condition with a BIN price of £675.00 with £65.00 shipping...well within the OPs price range. Seller is also accepting offers (two are available).

This would be a significant step up from his 2008 era iMac and if the OP finds it inadequate he could evaluate his options at that time and sell this off to buy something else. Also, I did not see it on the vintage / obsolete list so it is still supported by Apple.

I have nothing against the cMP (I own three of them) but I'm finding it more and more difficult to recommend them except in specific use cases. If the OP's needs warranted a Mac Pro class system, which I do not believe is the case given he's been using a 2008 era iMac, then I would be less likely to point him to an iMac.
 
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