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Way out in the Texas sticks, the options for Internet connection are very limited. Starlink is available, of course, if I wanted to invest in some expensive tech run by a chaotic individual that might turn it into a karakoe service on a whim. Hughesnet (and even back to DirectPC days) I have used and if I had to go back to that, I would start using dialup again. Fortunately, as I was getting desperate, AT@T came in with their cellular service called Fixed Land Wireless or something like that. Worked well, especially since I am only a mile from a tower.

Then they changed to a new system called Internet Air with an inside router rather than a box with outside antenna. It worked good for a few weeks then got slower and slower. My assumption was that the local service area was oversold and as more people got on naturally the bandwidth went down. Finally, it became almost unusable, my iphone giving me that I had poor internet service and the tv streaming stopping with the wait rotating circle all the time. Downloading patches to anything was impossible.

Calls to the service center got a real person (surprise! and speaking good English!) but after running tests they gave that I showed good strength at the router and a fast connection.

Before I started looking for another service, I finally got down to troubleshooting. The oddity was that if I went to speedtest.net, the webpage might take 10 to 30 seconds to load, but the test gave back 200mb down or more. Went to other testing sites and got the same strange results. Horrible access to the website, but very fast report on download speeds.

Long story short (too late), I stripped my home network down to the ATT router and a Mac and things went back to normal. Turns out that it was the Asus Wifi mesh Router. Looking at it with various tools, I can't see that it is hacked, but that is always a possiblity even though I always kept it up to date. Rebooting the Asus fixes the problem for a short while, but soon it starts slowing down again.

So, the gist of this tale is that I need a new mesh router x 3. But, starting that search I find that every one that is recommended requires a phone app to setup. No browser app, no just connect to 10.0.0.1 and start configuring. Use our app, give us your data, or forget it. They give no apology for the future when they get tired of supporting it and the router becomes effectively bricked.

So. Anybody have suggestions for a router, or have bought a good mesh setup that does not require a subscription, email address, or the attitude that yes, you paid for it but that doesn't mean you really own it. I don't need WIFI 7 necessarily, or any super speed stuff. Just ordinary Internet access.
 
Thanks, diamond.g. A Dream router 7 and two of the U7 Lites should carry me for several years. Way overkill for my network but better more than less.
 
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I have a single experience with a Ubiquiti 6+ and was far from being plug&play. The documentation mentions and suggests the App installation as the quickest, except the darn App won't install in my iPhone SE1, I ended up installing the Unifi self-hosting server in a Windows box, very intimidating but the end result was worth it, the Unifi Manager has lots to offer in term of settings and monitoring tools.
 
Thanks, diamond.g. A Dream router 7 and two of the U7 Lites should carry me for several years. Way overkill for my network but better more than less.
I installed a UDR7 with a UX7 as a wireless mesh access point a few weeks ago. Loving it so far.


Initial setup is much easier with the app. It goes out and finds the UDR7, and gets it installed. In about 5 minutes, I was up and running.

After initial setup from the app, I'm doing all other settings from my web browser, at 192.168.1.1.
 
I installed a UDR7 with a UX7 as a wireless mesh access point a few weeks ago. Loving it so far.


Initial setup is much easier with the app. It goes out and finds the UDR7, and gets it installed. In about 5 minutes, I was up and running.

After initial setup from the app, I'm doing all other settings from my web browser, at 192.168.1.1.
They do make initial setup easier with the app, but it isn’t required. Sadly the app still lags behind what you can get to via the web console.
 
I'm a huge fan of Netgear. I've used a lot of their stuff over the years, starting when I set up my first home WiFi network in 2002 (with a PCMCIA WiFi card for my wife's laptop!), and it's never let me down. I recently updated to a new Orbi 770 system, and it's been so-far-so-good, although I've only had it for a few weeks.

I live in a 2-story, 1500 sq ft condo with a lot of close neighbors so there are a lot of interfering signals around, but it hasn't been an issue with either the new one or my previous one (which was also a Netgear Orbi from about 6 years ago). I got the 1 router + 1 satellite package so I have an access point downstairs near my modem and upstairs near the bedrooms, with a 2.5G Ethernet link connecting them.

YMMV, of course. 😃
 
I'm a huge fan of Netgear. I've used a lot of their stuff over the years, starting when I set up my first home WiFi network in 2002 (with a PCMCIA WiFi card for my wife's laptop!), and it's never let me down. I recently updated to a new Orbi 770 system, and it's been so-far-so-good, although I've only had it for a few weeks.
Unfortunately, since Netgear dropped the Orbi Pro line, none of their mesh routers support true Network segmentation via VLANs. That's a must-have for me, and is one of the main reasons I'm now using Ubiquiti equipment.
 
Unfortunately, since Netgear dropped the Orbi Pro line, none of their mesh routers support true Network segmentation via VLANs. That's a must-have for me, and is one of the main reasons I'm now using Ubiquiti equipment.
I was just responding to the OP’s question with what works for me. Obviously it wouldn’t work for you.
 
I installed a UDR7 with a UX7 as a wireless mesh access point a few weeks ago. Loving it so far.


Initial setup is much easier with the app. It goes out and finds the UDR7, and gets it installed. In about 5 minutes, I was up and running.

After initial setup from the app, I'm doing all other settings from my web browser, at 192.168.1.1.
Curious about this installation as I've been looking at this same config.

To confirm, you are using the UDR7 as your router, pluggged in to your internet provider, and the UX7 is only connected to the UDR via wireless mesh (i.e. not hardwired). Is this correct? I was not able to find documentation that definitively stated this would work.
 
Curious about this installation as I've been looking at this same config.

To confirm, you are using the UDR7 as your router, pluggged in to your internet provider, and the UX7 is only connected to the UDR via wireless mesh (i.e. not hardwired). Is this correct? I was not able to find documentation that definitively stated this would work.
Yes, that's exactly what I'm doing. Note that since there is no dedicated backhaul, your internet speed will be cut in half at the UX7. My real world experience is that my 1 Gbps service (measured as 1.2Gbps, as Comcast over-provisions) is down to 200 Mbps by the time it reaches my Apple TV, which is attached to the UX7 by 5 GHz Wi-Fi (and about 15 feet away from it and separated by a wall). But that's plenty fast enough for 4K video.

YMMV!


A graphic from the UniFi GUI - this may or may not be helpful. 😉

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Yes, that's exactly what I'm doing. Note that since there is no dedicated backhaul, your internet speed will be cut in half at the UX7. My real world experience is that my 1 Gbps service (measured as 1.2Gbps, as Comcast over-provisions) is down to 200 Mbps by the time it reaches my Apple TV, which is attached to the UX7 by 5 GHz Wi-Fi (and about 15 feet away from it and separated by a wall). But that's plenty fast enough for 4K video.

YMMV!


A graphic from the UniFi GUI - this may or may not be helpful. 😉

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Very helpful! Thanks for the information. Not sure what I will do, but I like the configurability of their gear.
 
Yes, that's exactly what I'm doing. Note that since there is no dedicated backhaul, your internet speed will be cut in half at the UX7. My real world experience is that my 1 Gbps service (measured as 1.2Gbps, as Comcast over-provisions) is down to 200 Mbps by the time it reaches my Apple TV, which is attached to the UX7 by 5 GHz Wi-Fi (and about 15 feet away from it and separated by a wall). But that's plenty fast enough for 4K video.

YMMV!


A graphic from the UniFi GUI - this may or may not be helpful. 😉

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My backhaul is all wired, but at a lower rate than yours.

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This is what happens when you make it easy to add equipment. I have a floodlight still in the box that I need to run a line for...
 
I went with the Dream router 7 and two of the U7 Lites - a configuration that is way overkill for my needs but they are quite impressive, especially the software. They can be setup entirely manually although to get the install started the iPhone app is much faster. Then just browse to 192.168.x.1 and have at it. Vastly superior to the Asus that I am discontinuing. And not a whole lot more expensive.
 
So. Anybody have suggestions for a router, or have bought a good mesh setup that does not require a subscription, email address, or the attitude that yes, you paid for it but that doesn't mean you really own it. I don't need WIFI 7 necessarily, or any super speed stuff. Just ordinary Internet access.
There are no "good" options that use wireless backhaul. You need to run Ethernet to the Access Points. Using Wi-Fi eats up half the bandwidth.

If you are very afraid that evil router companies are stealing your data, then your only option is an Open Source router. Look up the OpenWRT project (link below). I'm currently running this on a few routers that cost me between $20 and $200. OpenWRT runs on any compatible router and makes them all have the same interface. Configure them either via the web interface or just SSH in and edit text files with vi.

The price you pay for this free router firmware is that the target user is someone who knows about networking. This is very different from most others who target consumers and have a guided install procedure that uses a phone app.

Read this page, all of it, https://openwrt.org/

Then click the link on the left that reads “supported devices". Many of the supported devices are available on eBay for dirt-cheap. But if you are looking for the best, look for GL.iNet GL-MT6000 (aka "flint 2") as it runs OpenWRT from the factory, but you can update to the current version.



If you still want a consumer-oriented Wi-Fi mesh router, flip a coin; they all have similar pros and cons. People will tell you "You should buy X because I have an X and it works for me". But this is true for any value of X. OpenWRT is basically a "router kit" that you can do anything you like with.
 
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