Lots of HTML5 content not working on iPad

bnerd

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Well, I've been testing many HTML5 sites on the iPad simulator .. and it seems much of HTML5 content doesn't work. For example..

Vimeo
I can't enjoy normal HTML5 browsing on Vimeo because the HTML video won't play.

YouTube
The YouTube player in HTML5 is heavily dependent on the mouse.. so I can't use my finger to scrub across the video.. and sometimes the video doesn't even load. I hate that I have to close my browser just to see video in a single YouTube app.

The Best HTML5 Example on the Net
http://9elements.com/io/projects/html5/canvas/
This HTML5 example won't run on the iPad.. with its heavy animations.. and background sounds.

This proves that HTML5 is not ready for the big time yet... its still so fragmented. It would be nice if Apple could at least get it to work properly on their devices.. because right now it sucks.
 

Niiro13

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Well, maybe they'll improve the simulator in the future SDK releases. They don't necessarily have to port everything over, right? Safari in the simulator is more to test webview and opening links.
 

dave1812dave

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Well, I've been testing many HTML5 sites on the iPad simulator .. and it seems much of HTML5 content doesn't work. For example..

Vimeo
I can't enjoy normal HTML5 browsing on Vimeo because the HTML video won't play.

YouTube
The YouTube player in HTML5 is heavily dependent on the mouse.. so I can't use my finger to scrub across the video.. and sometimes the video doesn't even load. I hate that I have to close my browser just to see video in a single YouTube app.

The Best HTML5 Example on the Net
http://9elements.com/io/projects/html5/canvas/
This HTML5 example won't run on the iPad.. with its heavy animations.. and background sounds.

This proves that HTML5 is not ready for the big time yet... its still so fragmented. It would be nice if Apple could at least get it to work properly on their devices.. because right now it sucks.

why can't Jobs just make nice with Adobe and all this HTML5 talk (not your talk, but talk about it in general) could be a MOOT POINT. sigh. I can't even view dpreview images without using Flash. Flash is on SO MANY sites I visit, I don't appreciate Jobs pretending the ipad will provide a decent internet experience. It can't, without Flash. And all the talk about how FLash will cause a huge slowdown? BOGUS! Anyone here read about Flash 10.1 on Android?
 

bnerd

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Well, maybe they'll improve the simulator in the future SDK releases. They don't necessarily have to port everything over, right? Safari in the simulator is more to test webview and opening links.
Maybe, but they have 1 month, not a lot of time for testing. If they don't fix this problem.. then a lot of people will be pissed when not only does Flash not work, but HTML5 doesn't fully work either.

The iPad is turning out to be the WORST browsing experience ever.
 

dave1812dave

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Maybe, but they have 1 month, not a lot of time for testing. If they don't fix this problem.. then a lot of people will be pissed when not only does Flash not work, but HTML5 doesn't fully work either.
:) rather than being pissed, I'm going to get "even". that means I simply won't buy a crippled iPad. sorry Apple lovers, but that's the best way for me to deal with a device that doesn't provide what I want--I just pass. I'm not at all happy that the iPad isn't the cool device I thought it was going to be.
 

Niiro13

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Maybe, but they have 1 month, not a lot of time for testing. If they don't fix this problem.. then a lot of people will be pissed when not only does Flash not work, but HTML5 doesn't fully work either.

The iPad is turning out to be the WORST browsing experience ever.
Yeah. Well, I still wouldn't say it's the worst browsing experience. It's certainly better browsing than all the phones out there as well as all the eBook readers out there. Netbook might be half and half depending on how much Flash you need.

Really, I'd say what makes the browsing worse is how fast the network is. Not blaming on Apple or on AT&T, but it'd be a better experience on 4G which isn't out yet :/.
 

Night Spring

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sorry Apple lovers, but that's the best way for me to deal with a device that doesn't provide what I want--I just pass.
Come on, no need to bring up "Apple lovers" here. We get that you aren't happy with the iPad as it is, but that doesn't make those of us who are happy with the iPad all "Apple lovers." Some of us just don't frequent websites with flash/html5 -- nothing to do with how much we like or don't like Apple.
 

dave1812dave

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Yeah. Well, I still wouldn't say it's the worst browsing experience. It's certainly better browsing than all the phones out there as well as all the eBook readers out there. Netbook might be half and half depending on how much Flash you need.

Really, I'd say what makes the browsing worse is how fast the network is. Not blaming on Apple or on AT&T, but it'd be a better experience on 4G which isn't out yet :/.
not to burst your bubble, but Flash is coming to smartphones soon. just not the iphone. I have a BB S2. we get Flash this year (hopefully the leaked webkit browser hits very soon). so much for the iPad providing a better browsing experience than touchscreen smartphones. When I wear reading glasses to clearly view my Touch or BB, I would prefer to see content with Flash, than on a larger, but Flash-less iPad screen (for which I still will need reading glasses). I even have to wear glasses to view my desktop monitors. When a small screen is held close to one's face, the detail is amazingly clear if the screen has sufficient pixels. that's why I say I'd rather view the internet on a flash equipped smartphone than a gimped down iPad.
 

bnerd

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Yeah. Well, I still wouldn't say it's the worst browsing experience. It's certainly better browsing than all the phones out there as well as all the eBook readers out there. Netbook might be half and half depending on how much Flash you need.

Really, I'd say what makes the browsing worse is how fast the network is. Not blaming on Apple or on AT&T, but it'd be a better experience on 4G which isn't out yet :/.
I agree with you on a few of those points.. what makes it better is the fact that its on a big screen (better than iPhone) and easier to access (faster than getting on a MacBook)

For me, thats where the "Better" part ends... I really want to make the iPad my on the go device that I can use instead of my MacBook in many situations. But its becoming a little to limited in this first generation.

Hopefully Apple improves on this in future versions.
 

dave1812dave

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I agree with you on a few of those points.. what makes it better is the fact that its on a big screen (better than iPhone) and easier to access (faster than getting on a MacBook)

For me, thats where the "Better" part ends... I really want to make the iPad my on the go device that I can use instead of my MacBook in many situations. But its becoming a little to limited in this first generation.

Hopefully Apple improves on this in future versions.
I think Apple will HAVE to improve on it, or Apple is finally going to be viewed by the average consumer as the COMPANY OF "CAN'T". (or "won't" -- take your pick;the result is the same)
 

DaveSW

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:) rather than being pissed, I'm going to get "even". that means I simply won't buy a crippled iPad. sorry Apple lovers, but that's the best way for me to deal with a device that doesn't provide what I want--I just pass. I'm not at all happy that the iPad isn't the cool device I thought it was going to be.

lol nobody's forcing you to buy an iPad. I don't understand why the iPad is causing you so much grief. just ignore it and stick to your netbook.
 

dave1812dave

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lol nobody's forcing you to buy an iPad. I don't understand why the iPad is causing you so much grief. just ignore it and stick to your netbook.
not grief. just disappointment that its not nearly as cool as I had expected. This would be a boring forum indeed if everyone shared the same opinions at all times.
 

samcraig

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It's going to be an interesting 2-3 years with the iPad and web development (and perhaps competing devices).

It will be interesting if/can/will Apple spin the best web experience angle when the average joe goes to visit sites that they find don't work.

I'm not commenting on flash/html5/etc support. And I would say this about any device or any technology/etc.

At the end of the day - the consumer doesn't care why - only that they might have believed hype or whatever about how great an experience is when it's not for them.

When I bought a blackberry - I knew that HTML email didn't exist at the time for the devices. If BB had said that their device was the best email device I might make assumptions that weren't true.

But I digress - and again - this may sound negative towards the iPad. It's not. It's the marketing/messaging that I am commenting on. Whether the device can or can't do one thing or another will come down to personal preferences.
 

dave1812dave

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It's going to be an interesting 2-3 years with the iPad and web development (and perhaps competing devices).

It will be interesting if/can/will Apple spin the best web experience angle when the average joe goes to visit sites that they find don't work.

I'm not commenting on flash/html5/etc support. And I would say this about any device or any technology/etc.

At the end of the day - the consumer doesn't care why - only that they might have believed hype or whatever about how great an experience is when it's not for them.

When I bought a blackberry - I knew that HTML email didn't exist at the time for the devices. If BB had said that their device was the best email device I might make assumptions that weren't true.

But I digress - and again - this may sound negative towards the iPad. It's not. It's the marketing/messaging that I am commenting on. Whether the device can or can't do one thing or another will come down to personal preferences.

The marketing is quintessential Steve Jobs. And we all know how he "embellishes" and employs puffery when describing his new products. And we all know how pugnacious he is with his competition (e.g. Adobe is "lazy"). In the end, for all his rhetoric, the iPad remains far less than I had expected.
 

EssentialParado

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I'm sure you realize this already, but the iPad simulator is not an iPad. I think we should wait until we have the actual device before we judge its HTML5 support, or lack of.
 

EssentialParado

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:) rather than being pissed, I'm going to get "even". that means I simply won't buy a crippled iPad. sorry Apple lovers, but that's the best way for me to deal with a device that doesn't provide what I want--I just pass.
Oh no! You're not going to buy one? PLEASE, YOU MUST! If you don't buy it, that means us Apple lovers won't be able to buy one. :( C'mon dave1812dave, please! Your decisions affect us so much!
 

dave1812dave

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Oh no! You're not going to buy one? PLEASE, YOU MUST! If you don't buy it, that means us Apple lovers won't be able to buy one. :( C'mon dave1812dave, please! Your decisions affect us so much!
ok., I'll buy one. Just forward your Amex card account number so I can order. That way, when my shiny iPad sits unused, I won't feel badly for having wasted my money on it. I don't mind spending big money on things I use, but I hate spending even a a dollar on something that sits unused.
 

bnerd

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I'm sure you realize this already, but the iPad simulator is not an iPad. I think we should wait until we have the actual device before we judge its HTML5 support, or lack of.
This is true.. however I wouldn't put much weight on it if it weren't for the fact that apple uses the simulators for HTML developers. I doubt Apple would allow HTML developers to work on an extremely crippled development environment whether its Beta or not.

The Simulator uses a iPad version of webkit.. just like the iPhone simulator uses a iPhone/IPod Touch version of webkit. This is why I mentioned earlier, that Apple has less than a month to fix this issue before they release the REAL product out into the wild. As of right now HTML developers can't fully develop for the iPad .. because the browser is broken and cannot render HTML5 properly.
 

mackmgg

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The Best HTML5 Example on the Net
http://9elements.com/io/projects/html5/canvas/
This HTML5 example won't run on the iPad.. with its heavy animations.. and background sounds.

This proves that HTML5 is not ready for the big time yet... its still so fragmented. It would be nice if Apple could at least get it to work properly on their devices.. because right now it sucks.
Umm… theres no mouse. That is heavy on mouseover events. How would that work better with flash?
 

dave1812dave

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This is true.. however I wouldn't put much weight on it if it weren't for the fact that apple uses the simulators for HTML developers. I doubt Apple would allow HTML developers to work on an extremely crippled development environment whether its Beta or not.

The Simulator uses a iPad version of webkit.. just like the iPhone simulator uses a iPhone/IPod Touch version of webkit. This is why I mentioned earlier, that Apple has less than a month to fix this issue before they release the REAL product out into the wild.
It took 2 years for cut & paste. You feeling lucky that Apple will fix deficiencies in a MONTH?
 

shakenmartini

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Well, I've been testing many HTML5 sites on the iPad simulator .. and it seems much of HTML5 content doesn't work. For example..

Vimeo
I can't enjoy normal HTML5 browsing on Vimeo because the HTML video won't play.

YouTube
The YouTube player in HTML5 is heavily dependent on the mouse.. so I can't use my finger to scrub across the video.. and sometimes the video doesn't even load. I hate that I have to close my browser just to see video in a single YouTube app.

The Best HTML5 Example on the Net
http://9elements.com/io/projects/html5/canvas/
This HTML5 example won't run on the iPad.. with its heavy animations.. and background sounds.

This proves that HTML5 is not ready for the big time yet... its still so fragmented. It would be nice if Apple could at least get it to work properly on their devices.. because right now it sucks.
First of all congratulations on breaking youf NDA.

Second, the simulator is not fully up to speed emulating the graphics hardware of the iPad, hence the SDK being a beta, which is why you are having problems.

Similar problems occurred with the original iPhone simulator in the SDK since hardware spec wasn't fully implemented in the software simulator.

Third, most of that stuff you cite works just fine on the iPhone today, again pointing to the beta nature of the SDK.

Nice try though, you should try trolling in deeper waters.
 

bnerd

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Umm… theres no mouse. That is heavy on mouseover events. How would that work better with flash?
Who said anything about it working better in Flash?

It took 2 years for cut & paste. You feeling lucky that Apple will fix deficiencies in a MONTH?
Well don't LIE to your users and say its the best at something when its NOT .... when was HTML a deficiency? IT SHOULD JUST WORK.

First of all congratulations on breaking you NDA.

Second, the simulator is not fully up to speed emulating the graphics hardware of the iPad, hence the SDK being a beta, which is why you are having problems.

Similar problems occurred with the original iPhone simulator in the SDK since hardware spec wasn't fully implemented in the software simulator.
But this is just BASIC HTML and JAVASCRIPT