If some component failure occurred on the logic board, how would you get your data? Apple would just replace your logic board.
Every day, according to my frustrated genius bar guy, when one sent my logic board into the trash just out of Applecare. SSDs have a finite lifespan of about a thousand writes. The filesystem mitigates the effects of wear by various strategies but it still isnt a lot no matter how you spread it around, and the way Apple does SSDs, when one block goes, the whole SSD (& board) is shot. Soldering the ssds to the board serves only two purposes: 1, its cheaper to produce, and 2, it limits the lifespan of the entire machine to its fastest wearing component. When pressed Apple gave the excuse that it was required for the highest speed performance, though that was slower than plenty of non-soldiered drives outside the PR bubble. Rossman isnt incorrect, he sounds curmudgeonly because people pay him good money to repair Apple’s mistakes all day long, so when he sees thousands of them having the same few problems and digs into the root causes to find a fix, there are a lot more data points behind his opinion & frustrations than the “mine never failed so theres obv no problem” anecdotes in this thread.
Like @chabig said that’s what backups are for. The global tech industry runs backup software utilizing various techniques from companies like NetApp, etc and it’s a huge/valuable business.
If SSD drives were failing daily across the world I would like to think there would be a little more exposure especially on forums like this but it’s seemingly few and far between unless the age of the device is older. Honestly it’s impossible to quantify unless you have the Apple metrics.
That seems like a reasonable number. Let’s assume it’s correct. To reach that in say, three years, you would have to completely write the entire contents of an SSD every day (1000 days equals about 3 years). That is not representative of real world use.
The SSD failing is not the issue, a board-level component is, rendering the data inaccessible. If it was separate it could be popped into an external enclosure and backed up, just like the 2015 Macs.
Yes, but that doesn't remove the fact that there may be data on the drive that you need access which may not be backed up. I get cloud based backups, but I'm talking about average consumers. Do you really think a twenty-something year old working all night on his thesis, and the logic board craps out will have a backup?
The same reason British omit the T in many words 🙄
I'm confident Apple informally guarantees the SSD to outlast the logic board. Or should I say SoC nowadays?
What i dont like is that even in PC laptops they solder the RAM and SSDs now! The RAM doesnt have to be soldered to the board like in a SoC like M1/M2, they are x86! So, cleary there is no reason or benefit (soldered ssd and ram doesnt make the laptop any bigger really or faster) to soldering the ram and ssd than more profit for the manufacturer...NOT helping the customers.
SoC. One part for everything. The space that used to be taken up by the logic board is now for cooling.
What's the difference? If the logic board fails you need it replaced. If the storage fails, you need to replace the entire logic board
There isn't a difference! If the device gets water damaged or some other component on the board fails (meaning no power/inability to turn on the computer), you cannot retrieve your data. It is simply unfair and predatory to design something that cannot be recovered after the fact. I have seen so many customers lose their data at my job because of bad backup practises. The real reason they do this, is so people can't upgrade the storage themselves.
I think profit is the real reason. A SoC is cheaper to build so Apple's profits increase after R&D costs are paid for.
You're both right. Apple makes money on sales, not upgrades and so they're pushing the narrative that its better to buy then fix or upgrade.
You might be right, but it doesn't change the fact that Apple has made it impossible to replace the SSD. Or RAM. Or anything on the SoC.
