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Note: this is another article I've been publishing in my series on the iPhone 14 Pro (Max)'s camera, particularly when it comes to comparing to older models. Please do search for my previous / other recent threads for my other articles. (Note: I've found one of my Nokia 808's; will try to track down the app I used back in the time allowing for shooting at 41 Mpixels (as opposed to the 34/38 Mpixel modes) and will also publish some SERIOUS 14PM vs. N808 tests. Stay tuned!)

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First: the test images I'll talk about in this article so that you can follow along:

1, The (high-quality) JPEG exports (the site still doesn't support HEIC's) have been uploaded Flickr and can be found in the album at https://www.flickr.com/photos/33448355@N07/albums/72177720302384780 . Again, you MUST download the files to be able to zoom to the pixel level! (Too bad Flickr just can't come up with a decent zooming algo allowing for pixel-level, multi-click zooming, not even for paying Pro subscribers like me.)
2, The original HEIC files in a single ZIP file to https://drive.google.com/file/d/1UEmQ2xmfoBLI9RgcLnar1CduGuPWkzKj/view?usp=sharing , should you want to allow downloading the Flickr files one-by-one. (Note: by the time you read this - prolly years from now - it's possible this ZIP file is gone!)

These files all have a 1/2/3 prefix to show the test set (of the three) followed by the model (iP11 or iP14). That is, compare 1 - iP11 - IMG_8411 to 1 - iP14 - IMG_0549 and so on.

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In my previous thread ( https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...the-last-three-years-on-the-contrary.2361607/ ), I got mixed results in my good-light panorama tests: while the iP14P(M) definitely handles lens flare better, its oversharpening was definitely more destructive than that of the iPhone 11, while I couldn't disern other areas of obvious impovements on the new models. (And, in addition, I discvovered more stitching errors in the pics produced by the new model. As I don't want to judge / compare the phoens on such small tests with comparatively few comparative images, I didn't list stitching errors as a cons for the iP14.) Therefore, because of the oversharpening, I couldn't wholeheartedly recommend the iP14P(M) for good-light panorama shootings.

Again and again, while the main cameras of the 14PM are certainly vastly(!) better than that of the 11, panorama shooting is such a neglected area of the camera modes that the vastly increased resolution etc. just doesn't make it to panoramas. Everything is destroyed by the massive oversharpening, just like with shooting into regular JPEG / HEIC files. Therefore, pano modes shouldn't be used professionally - instead, get a decent pano head OR a 360 camera with excellent photo quality making using a dedicated pano head not that big a necessity any more. There already are some of these cameras even in the consumer-priced category, unlike back in 2015-2016 when they started to appear on the market (Gear 360 and the likes with their comparatively low-quality stills).

As I had promised in the previous pano-specific thread, I have now also conducted some low-light, synchronized(!) panorama tests to find out whether the massive camera improvements, which do come thru for example in low-light video shooting (see my thread at https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...ro-max-controlled-comparative-videos.2361410/ ) also result in cleaner, less-smeared etc. panoramas.

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Smearing caused by noise reduction

And yes, they do, at least when it comes to smearning. In all my tests, in low light, the iP14PM continuously delivered better, cleaner results than the 11 in the very dark areas.

Please check out the following attachment pairs:

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3 - dark smearing - 14 - comp

The first prefix shows which set they compare (1 / 3) and the name of the model can also be found in the filename.

It's in the 14PM images that I annotated some of the affected, low-contast areas where the 14PM fared considerably better than the 11. Notice the much more prevalent smearing in the 11's images, which essentially resulted in a lot of details to be completely smeared away, unlike with the 14's images. In the latter, the destructive effect of noise reduction isn't as pronounced. The difference isn't huge, however.

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Dynamic range

What about the dynamic range, you may ask? After all, the 14PM's Quad Bayer sensor is, at least theoretically (when two of the four subpixels are programmed to be "less sensitive" than the other two in 12 Mpixel mode) definitely capable of better dynamic range. When properly utilized, that is.

Interestingly, at least in pano mode, this doesn't seem to be the case. (A major neglection on Apple's part? Again, quad-Bayer sensors, by design, allow for much bigger dynamic range than traditional ones. Dunno...) Highlights have the tendency of clipping equally badly in the iP14PM panos as with those of the iP11. If you check out my thrre pairs of comparison images, you'll see the 14 fares in one of them (2 - dynrange - 14 - comp) better, while in the other two cases it's worse.

Also notice that the first "1" pair (1 - dynrange - 11 - comp / 1 - dynrange - 14 - comp) exhibits stitching errors on both phones. (Again and again: I've moved the two in perfect synchronization - "glued together") The errors (I annotated the two most prevalent ones with arrows in "1 - dynrange - 14 - comp") are significantly more visible in the 14's image. Another neglection / lack of improvements on Apple's part?!

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Summary

All in all, you really do NOT want to update to the iPhone 14PM from an iPhone 11 if all you shoot are panoramas and don't really need the other features / improvements. Apple seems to have neglected improving the pano mode in any way. Heck, they don't even make use of the (in 12 Mpixel mode) vastly superior dynamic range of the 48 Mpixel sensor.

And, let me emphasize again: this 'do not bother' advice only applies to panorama shooting. Video and (if you do shoot ProRAWs - just don't botehr with HEIC / JPG output!) stills are WAAAY better.
 

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if there's one thing I hate about iPhone cameras, it's the insane dynamic range, you'd be maxing out Lightroom sliders to get both the outside and inside exposed to mid tone like it is in these images. A normal looking photo from a camera would usually just have the outside completely blown out.

The shadow details look better on the iPhone 14 to me, so I'd say the iPhone 14 wins overall.
 
A normal looking photo from a camera would usually just have the outside completely blown out.
That is why i like my iphone - it does the job on its' own. If I am feeling involved enough, then lightroom has HDR merge button - I just need to manage to take 2 still photos on my camera or use tripod.
Or you can use brushes in lightroom if feeling lazy - just brush the outside which is blown out and decrease exposure only there to get back the details.
 
That is why i like my iphone - it does the job on its' own. If I am feeling involved enough, then lightroom has HDR merge button - I just need to manage to take 2 still photos on my camera or use tripod.
Or you can use brushes in lightroom if feeling lazy - just brush the outside which is blown out and decrease exposure only there to get back the details.
yea it's great if you just wanna see what's outside, but for artistic purposes, that looks very unnatural and terrible.
I don't ever edit like that in Lightroom, even when I'm shooting an interior for real estate I keep the outside mostly blow out unless it's a very bright interior.
 
real estate
Don't like the aesthetics of those fake real estate edits - but it is nice to see how the house actually looks like with the trees in the background at least because our eyes see mostly like iphones (outside is not blown out while we are inside).
 
Gotcha.

I figured so. Just curious why people make it a point to mention “max” like it’s an advantage.
It WAS an advantage IIRC in 12 where it IIRC had a bigger sensor than the Pro. Not in the other series (11/13/14).
 
Don't like the aesthetics of those fake real estate edits - but it is nice to see how the house actually looks like with the trees in the background at least because our eyes see mostly like iphones (outside is not blown out while we are inside).
Exactly. I too prefer seeing what's outside. The pre-11 models (or at least up to the 7/7+) have completely failed at rendering the outside world - they just burned everything out.
 
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I've made another set of "glued-together-phones" panorama comparison between the iPhone 11 vs 14 Pro (Max); this time in very low light. Flickr album:


Direct ZIP link with the originals (incidentally, while these HEIC files are already compressed, they could be compressed a LOT this time!): https://drive.google.com/file/d/10UxW2t8amMiVJl87nkkbz5UNoy2HVuiM/view?usp=sharing

Turns out the iPhone14PM (as it should) delivered a little bit better image (subjects that were completely black on the 11's image became a bit more visible on the 14PM's rendition), but in no way as better as, say, in low-light video mode.

In the attached 14PM image crop screenshot, I annotated two such areas. In addition, I annotated the lens flare caused by the closest street light. I did the same to the flare of the same lamp in the 11's image. As you can see, the 11 fared a bit worse WRT lens flare in this test too.

Again, the sensor itself could be capable of a LOT more as, for example, the above-mentioned VAST difference in video mode certainly shows. Apple certainly hasn't bothered with improving the pano mode during the last three years, it seems :(
 

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And another 2x2 set of iPhone 11 vs. iP14P(M) synchronized panorama shots, in somewhat low light. First, two links: The "Making of" 360 video so that you can exactly see how I shot the pics:
; Flickr album: https://www.flickr.com/photos/33448355@N07/albums/72177720302722199 . Again, use the Download icon in the lower right of the images to download the original, full-res images of everything - the default Flickr zoomer is hopelessly low-res, even for (like me) Pro subscribers' viewers. (Let alone the viewers of non-Pro acconts..)

Apart from the much more evident oversharpening halos* on the 14PM, this time it produced certainly better results than the 11. An example: in the first set (filenames: 1 - iP11 / 1 - iP14PM on Flickr), on the very left, the iPhone 11 produced a somewhat blurry section because I rotated the cameras too quickly for the iPhone 11 in such low light. (It displayed the "Slow down" warning.) No such "blurry" problems (again, at exactly the same rotation speed) on the larger-and-more-sensitive-sensor iP14PM. In this regard, the iP14P(M) is definitely better - you can generally rotate a bit faster without the "Slow down" warnings, particularly if the light levels are low.

See the affected area in the crop screenshots "compcrop - 1 - iP11" and "compcrop - 1 - iP14PM". Note that, unlike with the 2nd series, I haven't annotated anything in here as anyone can immediately notice the iPhone11 being horizontally blurred on more than half of the crop.

In the 2nd set (filenames: 2 - iP11 / 2 - iP14PM on Flickr), the 14PM again delivered a somewhat better result (again, apart from the more drastic oversharpening). In the iP11 crop screenshot (compcrop - 2 - iP11), I've annotated the following areas:

1, the red arrow on the right: probably the rotation speed was too high for the iP11; its rendering of the "SOHWI" title (particularly the "W" in it) is far blurrier than that of the 14PM.
2, the two blue arrows: it has messed up the vertical position of the non-hidden areas of the roof (no such desynch issues on the iP14PM's shot) - they aren't in the same line.

Finally, there's another red arrow (up in the center); it shows how less evident the oversharpening halos are on the iPhone11. (That's the main advantage of the older model over the 14P(M)).

*: I really hope that, when an iPhone14 jailbreak arrives, oversharpening can be somewhat "tuned down" by directly hacking the system .plist config files...
 
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BTW, Max tech has just compared the panorama mode of the iPhone 14 Pro Max to the iPhone 14 Plus (NOT 11, unlike I did in this thread!) He wasn't very happy with the 14PM's panoramas and stated they're worse than those of the 14 Plus. Video link:
 
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