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My 12" PowerBook has some serious sleeping issues. This includes not going to sleep and when it does the sleep light doesn't always work. Also, it does get quite hot especially along the part above the keyboard near the microphone- you could fry an egg on it.

All of my RAM says its there.

Do you think this my PB has this logic board issue?

Also, it does seem to run slower. If I'm listening to a song on iTunes and looking at a website with lots of graphics and I try to scroll down the page, my 1.5ghz 512mb Ram PowerBook beach balls.
 
D*I*S_Frontman said:
Hey Everyone,

I just thought I should offer a new thread here for keeping track of this embarrassing issue.

My 15" 1.5ghz AlPBook is right now getting its third replacement main logic board (MLB) since I got it in late February 2005.


My 17" 1.33 has had it's MLB replaced twice now. Leading up to the failure I had most of the same issues as you. Machine slowdown, RAM not recognized - and the worst... battery not keeping charge. AppleCare fixed it both times and had it back in my hands in 3 days. I plan on getting SafeWare or checking to see if my Homeowners insurance will cover it when AppleCare runs out.
 
kingjr3 said:
Curious to all you Generation Entitlementers, at what point is Apple not responsible for repairs anymore?

I would say a known product defect qualifies. I used to own a Pismo, and over time the DVD/CDROM drive wore out, probably a year or more out of warranty. That seems reasonable to me--the worm-screw drives in a CD player eventually wear out. I would not ever think to ask for another one at Apple's expense. But the main logic board? With several failures under warranty already? With literally HUNDREDS of other users reporting the exact same phenomenon? That is a clear manufacturer's defect, one which Apple is evidently fixing by replacing the defective part with either a new or refurbed version OF THE SAME DEFECTIVE PART. The real issue is obviously not being addressed yet, or there would not be so many people citing CONTINUING PROBLEMS after the first fix.

I just want the problem solved--COMPLETELY. I want them to take the time to discover what is really happening and offer remedies that actually address the issue. That's all.

I would not expect this from a cheapo PC maker if I were to buy a $699 laptop. But I spent $2300 on my AL-PBook and for that amount of cash comes an expectation of high performance and reliability. Every production process can have a snafu--that is life. How a company addresses it is what separates the best from the also-rans. If Apple can truly fix the issue, I will certainly remain brand-loyal. If I have to endure another two week repair stint, however, for the same KNOWN ISSUE, I am going to lose patience with them.
 
Widget?

P.S: Anyone out there want to take up the "RAMSlotWatcher" widget idea?! It should come bundled with 10.3.9 Panther and Tiger!

:D
 
has anyone heard of upgrading to tiger to fix this issue. i have an alu pb 15" 1.67 with no issues as of yet. 512 in each slot, 1gb total.

and I have 10.3.9
 
crdean1 said:
has anyone heard of upgrading to tiger to fix this issue. i have an alu pb 15" 1.67 with no issues as of yet. 512 in each slot, 1gb total.

and I have 10.3.9

The issue typically affects 15" AluBooks, although rarer incidents of 12" and 17" have been cited.
 
frighteningly familiar symptoms....

I was shocked to see your description of *exactly* the symptoms my wife's PB has been showing for the past couple of months -- lower RAM slot not registering, no boot chime, random kernel panics, problems starting up.

Maybe Apple will acknowledge the problem and offer a repair. Heh. I was burned pretty badly over the iBook logic board problem -- fried *four* times, was told by AppleCare that it was *not* a known issue, was told by AppleCare that it was obviously *my* fault, was told by AppleCare that Apple was not aware of any websites describing the same symptoms.

But eventually they did the decent thing with that; I'm hoping that they'll do it again here.
 
Just got mine back...

Hey,

Just got mine back from the Apple Store after 15 days out on repair. All RAM now recognized, but the power button still doesn't light. I give this third MLB three months, tops. When it pukes, I am going to demand a free upgrade to a 17"--there is no other way to be sure the issue won't occur again with the 15" model.

On the plus side, my battery was not up to spec, and seeing that it was within 180 days of purchase, they replaced it free of charge.
 
D*I*S_Frontman said:
Hey,

Just got mine back from the Apple Store after 15 days out on repair. All RAM now recognized, but the power button still doesn't light. I give this third MLB three months, tops. When it pukes, I am going to demand a free upgrade to a 17"--there is no other way to be sure the issue won't occur again with the 15" model.

On the plus side, my battery was not up to spec, and seeing that it was within 180 days of purchase, they replaced it free of charge.
Glad that its fixed- for now, I seriously hope the issues stop.
 
Failed Lower RAM Slot on PB 1.25 GHz with no warranty

My PB 15” 1.25 GHz (running Tiger) has the same issue in that the lower RAM slot recently failed. Since the PB is now 21 moths old, the warranty period has passed and I was quoted a price of around £620 for repairs including VAT.

The PB has been sitting on a well ventilated iCurve stand and has hardly been moved, the lower RAM slot is not exactly a moving part, nor is it exposed to “fair wear and tear”.
In a laptop costing more than £2000 you would expect the lifetime of this part to be a little more than 21 months.

A look at the various forums quickly indicated that I am not the only one experiencing this problem, and with the current recall of the iBook line due to faulty logic boards we are quickly developing a theme here.

I therefore gave the Department of Trade and Industry (DTI) a call. It seems that they clearly thought this was an issue on which I am entitled to a free repair of my PB.
The law that applies in this case is the Sale of Goods Act (1979) with the March 2003 amendment concerning new remedies. The consumer is entitled to a refund, replacement or free repair (depending on how much time has passed since purchase and how much use the product has seen) for up to 6 years after purchase if the quality of the product is unsatisfactory. The important detail in this law seems to be that it only applies if the defect was present when the product was purchased. Since the lower RAM slots are failing on so many PB and since its not really a moving part or something you fiddle around with constantly, it must clearly be a design or manufacturing fault, which means it must have been present at the time of purchase. In addition it seems you must be the first owner and that the product must have been for personal, not commercial use.

Another law that applies if you purchased your laptop using a credit card is the Consumer Credit law (forgot the year).

In addition there is EU law, which essentially gives a 2-year warranty on consumer goods:

DIRECTIVE 1999/44/EC OF THE EUROPEAN PARLIAMENT AND OF THE COUNCIL of 25 May 1999 on certain aspects of the sale of consumer goods and associated guarantees.
In Article 5 states:
1. The seller shall be held liable under Article 3 where the lack of conformity becomes apparent within two years as from delivery of the goods. If, under national legislation, the rights laid down in Article 3(2) are subject to a limitation period, that period shall not expire within a period of two years from the time of delivery.
2. Member States may provide that, in order to benefit from his rights, the consumer must inform the seller of the lack of conformity within a period of two months from the date on which he detected such lack of conformity.

Armed with this information, I called up Apple technical support a second time in hope of a quick and painless solution. Unsurprisingly, I was left to listen to a lot of AC/DC performed on pan flutes (a clear breach of the Geneva Convention on torture, I am considering taking this up with Amnesty International) whilst the tech support guy was discussing a free repair with his superiors. Instead of getting an answer from them, I was then moved onto a customer relations representative (hi Kevin, this is you should you peruse these forums) who simply told me that my warranty had run out and as much as he regretted it, there was absolutely nothing he could do for me.
Since I expect others in a similar position to fare no better, I suggest you call the DTI on 08454 040506 if you live in the UK. They are extremely helpful and will listen to your complaint and then tell you if you have a case (which this time seems to be so) and the various laws that apply. They will also send out a template letter for you to amend and forward to Apple. In addition, if they receive enough complaints, they may take action against Apple directly.
 
Counterfit said:
Er, you do know that the power button on PBs aren't supposed to light up, right? :confused: And there's no way in hell they'll give you a 17", not as a replacement for a 15"

If MLB #3 croaks on me, I will calmly and persistently make the case until they either completely acknowledge the issue for potential recall, or fork a 17" over to me in order to shut me up. I will patiently work my way up the chain of command @ Apple Customer Service until the issue is permanently resolved.

If the issue is not widespread, giving out a few 17s" to cap the problem without public embarrassment would be far more economical than a public recall of a flagship product. If it were me, MLB #3 replaced by my own techs still not resolving the issue would be completely unacceptible. Shutting people up by throwing them a 17" bone would cost far less than a susbstanial drop in stock prices due to bad press on a high-end product.

We'll see how it goes. I prefer the size of the 15" to the 17", actually, or I would have purchased a 17" initially. But in lieu of a REAL fix, I'd feel much safer with a 17" than another potentially buggy 15".
 
I'm in the same boat - if MLB #3 goes out on me I'm going to politely go off at the "Genius" bar staff until I get a new PB. We'll see how it goes. Any chance heat is related to this problem? Each time my MLB went out is when the PB was super hot from cranking through a 1.5 GB Photoshop file.
 
I've had my PBook back for a few days, and for the very first time I actually heard the fan come on. Maybe they addressed the issue--according to the repair invoice, they "tightened" loose fasteners inside the unit. Possibly a source of bad connections?

I see that a law firm has already taken up the cause for all of the people who have suffered this issue out of warranty. I am not eligible because the repairs have all occurred within my first year, but perhaps relief will come for those less fortunate. Also, arm-twisting Apple to admit the defect might ensure that if the issue reoccurs once I am out of warranty I'll still be covered.

Although I will probably splurge on AppleCare before my first year is out. I don't need any other unpleasant surprises.
 
D*I*S_Frontman said:
I've had my PBook back for a few days, and for the very first time I actually heard the fan come on. Maybe they addressed the issue--according to the repair invoice, they "tightened" loose fasteners inside the unit. Possibly a source of bad connections?
Glad that it's working out so far... whew. That's a rough time you had, though, eh? :(
 
Busted:
I feared this might happen but sure enough I have just seen that, the lower RAM slot in my 15" PB has bunged out. I can also corroborate, excessive heat and no boot chime are other symptoms.

What a load of crap. Guess a trip to Regent Street is necessary on Saturday. Has anyone else on here been to that store with this problem?
 
Im 17 yearold and should I buy applecare for my little brother's AlBook for use that money towards a 1GB RAM Chip for the top slot?
 
xparaparafreakx said:
Im 17 yearold and should I buy applecare for my little brother's AlBook for use that money towards a 1GB RAM Chip for the top slot?

Buy both but buy the Ram first and then re-save for the Applecare.

This problem does not seem to affect everyone, but it does seem to affect a fair few.
 
Dilemma!

I purchased my 15" pbook in March.
Currently running 10.3.9 and have stock 512mb RAM

I want to get more RAM, but this lower slot failure thing worries me.

Will putting more RAM in put me at risk?
Should I upgrade to tiger first?

I can't afford to have a hardware failure.
I Live in SA, which means that Apple will have to ship the pbook half way around the world to get repaired.

Also, AppleCare does not exist in this country, and the Apple Centres and resellers will not honor AppleCare regardless of where you purchased your mac and/or applecare.

What to do?
 
Cloudgazer said:
Dilemma!

I purchased my 15" pbook in March.
Currently running 10.3.9 and have stock 512mb RAM

I want to get more RAM, but this lower slot failure thing worries me.

Will putting more RAM in put me at risk?
Should I upgrade to tiger first?

I can't afford to have a hardware failure.
I Live in SA, which means that Apple will have to ship the pbook half way around the world to get repaired.

Also, AppleCare does not exist in this country, and the Apple Centres and resellers will not honor AppleCare regardless of where you purchased your mac and/or applecare.

What to do?

Even if the slot fails, the RAM is still fine, so don't worry about that. And you may or may not be lucky with the upgrade to Tiger. The vast majority of people are fine, but there are some unlucky folks. You won't know until you've upgraded.

And its a shame thats the support you only get in SA.

I'm in the same boat as those unlucky folks - I have a 1.67ghz AL-book, and all was fine until after a month or so after upgrading to Tiger. And I definately remember getting kernal panics. Only a couple though. But then I noticed that apps were taking longer to open and I checked About this mac, and low and behold I'd dropped to 512MB from 1GB.

I've been living with it since then. I bought a 1GB stick to use in the working slot, and just got on with this - only because I use the PB for work, so really I'm not in a place were I can let it disappear for 2 weeks. I'm planning on getting it repaired when I'm on holiday next month.

So how often is it the case that the PB is just replaced? I've got a BTO 15". And when you have taken it in for repair, have you had to back up your HDD? I've heard tales of wiped HDD's and that bothers me.....
 
Piarco75 said:
So how often is it the case that the PB is just replaced? I've got a BTO 15". And when you have taken it in for repair, have you had to back up your HDD? I've heard tales of wiped HDD's and that bothers me.....

I've gotta take mine in and I'm going to do a full backup beforehand. I don't think it's unreasonable to think it will come back empty as the day you bought it.

I'm actually considering the possibility of requesting an upgrade to a 17" if I pay the extra for a stock model. I really cannot be f**ked with this happening again 3 months down the line as it likely will. Why it only happens on the 15"s and they cannot do anything to stop it I don't know. Maybe one of 10.4.3's 500 fixes will sort it..... :rolleyes:
 
Just for everyone's information, that 10.3.9 Panther update fried the motherboard battery on my 400mhz Tibook. Very strange.
 
One of my buddies here on MR had it happen yesterday, lower ram bay not showing up. He is taking it to the apple store on Sat. I'll ask him to post his response....and I think he went from 10.3.8 to Tiger. He never even had 10.3.9 so maybe that doesn't have anything to do with it. I'm sure he will post later.

He also bought his 15" 1.67 pb in late Feb. 2005 and I bought mine in March. Nothing has happened to me yet or our other two friends that bought a 15" 1.67. We'll see.
 
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