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I guess I was wrong; Fall is Apple's new release schedule after all. That kinda sucks.
 
This may sound arrogant, but I really believe it would benefit all iPhone users out there. Of course, it's not so pleasant for the developers but the mobile space is developing quickly... keep up, or get out. Again, sounds arrogant but that's just how it is, unfortunately.

I seriously believe that most of you would be very happy when Apple would announce a 16:9 4" or 4.3" screen with Super AMOLED Plus (2) technology. ;)

In the end, it's just my opinion and everyone has different wishes. :)

Opinion indeed.

Yes, all AMOLED technologies have better contrast because unlike backlit LCDs, you can actually have true black (no light) when you want it.

On the other hand, all AMOLED technologies have worse color accuracy. The colors are brighter, yes. But also less accurate. So while it might pop out at you more and feel visually appealing, it's not actually correct.

Furthermore, since each color element in an AMOLED display is an individual LED, and LEDs wear out, a color shift will occur unevenly depending on the frequency of usage of each element on the display. (granted, this happens on the order of a few years depending on how the display is driven)

Also, OLEDs can't be made as small as LCD shutters, so effective resolution is lower.

Finally, power consumption on an AMOLED display depends heavily on an image. With Android, you'll get a savings because most of the screen's typically black. With iOS, you'll be hit with a power consumption penalty because most UIs are filled with something other than black. I mean, heck, everybody's table view defaults to a white background.

You might favor having an image that is very saturated. (AMOLED)
But I'll prefer longer battery life, better color accuracy, and better effective resolution. (LCD)

With that said, I'm fairly sure I know which one Apple will go with for the next couple of generations.
 
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Oh good, they reported it.

Most people here are missing the point. We all know they're going to deploy an LTE iPhone next year.

The biggest news here is that DoCoMo is getting it. It is Japan's Verizon and has the biggest network and most dedicated users by far. Many DoCoMo users have Android phones because of the lack of the iPhone.
 
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It will be great if DoCoMo gets the iPhone. Softbank is Japan's equivalent of AT&T. I don't even bother using my iPhone 4's 3G service on Softbank anymore — it's just too darn slow, and the voice quality is horrendous. I just keep it set to WiFi and use Skype when I need to make a call.

I don't think SoftBank is as horrendous as you make it out to be. It could definitely be better but voice calls are fine for me and data speed is ok. iPhone on SoftBank is still a better experience than on au. I definitely notice an improvement with the 4S.
 
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They may be, as you say, "lagging behind spec wise" but Apple is all about the experience. Remember, bringing specs to an experience war is their mantra.

That said, I think 4G-LTE is a "duh" at this point. Start in the iPad, make it to the iPhone by fall.

If you haven't used 4G you should not be talking.

The Macs were better computers in many ways than Windows computers ever were but they were outsold 20 to 1. They learned from that experience. They know that the better hardware doesn't win the battle. So thus we'll almost always be following the other hardware makers in the future. With few new models, now being 16 months or so rather than the extremely long 12 month change period Apple's hardware will even fall farther behind.

I'm waiting for a new iPad. Also I'm waiting for a new 4G iPhone. They need to come out with one sooner rather than later. Then maybe I would think about stop using my 4G Android smartphone. But then if Apple doesn't make a larger screen I'll have to consider whether I can read the smaller Apple screen as well.

If Android or some other group could have something even half as well integrated as the iOS devices then Apple will have some competition. Then maybe they would change their hardware more often than once every 12-16+ months.
 
It will be great if DoCoMo gets the iPhone. Softbank is Japan's equivalent of AT&T. I don't even bother using my iPhone 4's 3G service on Softbank anymore — it's just too darn slow, and the voice quality is horrendous. I just keep it set to WiFi and use Skype when I need to make a call.

AT&T is really not as bad as people on this site make it out to be. These things tend to vary by area, but in NYC and upstate New York I never have trouble. The speeds are much slower out in the sticks though.
 
I guess I was wrong; Fall is Apple's new release schedule after all. That kinda sucks.

I hope the new phone gets released in the summer like most every other iPhone. I guess we'll know for sure if iOS 6 is announced alongside the iPad3 in the spring.
 
LTE support would be a nice addition but, unfortunately, LTE is still very rare in Europe so it will be more of a feature for the Americans and Asians.

We have had LTE since 2009 here in Sweden and the coverage is now pretty much every city with more than 50,000 citizens and a lot of the area between the cities.

I don't know how it looks in the rest of Europe.

Correction: The coverage is much better than that. I'd say most towns with more than 20,000 citizens have LTE and a rather big percentage of the countryside does too.
 
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AT&T is really not as bad as people on this site make it out to be.

Yes... they are actually. They've been #1 worst carrier for years now, their tech support is worse than third rate, they nickel and time everyone, they drop calls, have horrible 3G coverage, have a very unstable network, are trying to lie by putting a 4G symbol on their iPhone 4S in place of a 3G symbol. Need I go on?
 
Right now I'm using a LTE/Xi Mobile Wifi router LC09 from NTT DoCoMo. but to be honest: the performance is not as stated in the commercials; they write 37Mb/s downstream; when I'm lucky I get 5Mb/s. I know: they write also "Best effort" but even in night time or early morning I don't get better rates. Not too bad for eMail but just not as expected.
So I really hope that NTT will get it better when all the iPhones and iPads hitting the cell towers and the overall performance will not go further down.

Plus I will continue the WiFi router as that allows me to use my other laptops as well. Without fearing about tethering etc. One contract fits all.
 
Opinion indeed.

Yes, all AMOLED technologies have better contrast because unlike backlit LCDs, you can actually have true black (no light) when you want it.

On the other hand, all AMOLED technologies have worse color accuracy. The colors are brighter, yes. But also less accurate. So while it might pop out at you more and feel visually appealing, it's not actually correct.

Furthermore, since each color element in an AMOLED display is an individual LED, and LEDs wear out, a color shift will occur unevenly depending on the frequency of usage of each element on the display. (granted, this happens on the order of a few years depending on how the display is driven)

Also, OLEDs can't be made as small as LCD shutters, so effective resolution is lower.

Finally, power consumption on an AMOLED display depends heavily on an image. With Android, you'll get a savings because most of the screen's typically black. With iOS, you'll be hit with a power consumption penalty because most UIs are filled with something other than black. I mean, heck, everybody's table view defaults to a white background.

You might favor having an image that is very saturated. (AMOLED)
But I'll prefer longer battery life, better color accuracy, and better effective resolution. (LCD)

With that said, I'm fairly sure I know which one Apple will go with for the next couple of generations.
I don't find the iPhone 4 to have very accurate colours at all. Your argument of "LEDs wear out" isn't valid, since Apple is also using LED technology. Of course it's not the same as Organic LEDs, but they do wear out as well.

You are correct that battery consumption depends on what is being displayed (the brighter (white), the more battery is used). However, the new Super AMOLED Plus technology (I'm not talking about any AMOLED technologie in 2010 or before), have much better battery life and better colour accuracy.

Furthermore, Samsung already has announced that high resolution Super AMOLED Plus displays, will be available in 2012. Furthermore, Samsung is expected to announce a new variant of this Super AMOLED Plus technology that uses even less battery, has a brighter screen, is thinner, more colour acurate and also supports much higher resolutions.

Super AMOLED plus actually uses much less energy than LCD, even when showing a white screen.

Therefor, I prefer better Super AMOLED Plus: it uses less battery, has a better viewing angles and the colours are better (and I don't know if they are worse or better in colour accuracy, but the iPhone 4 isn't that good when it comes to colour accuracy). Higher resolution Super AMOLED Plus displays are already announced.

Not to forget, if Apple is going to release this iPhone 6 in the fall of 2012, they will have enough time adapting Super AMOLED Plus' succesor (? Super AMOLED Plus 2 ?).

LCD offers, to me, less advantages. Sure, a brighter screen thanks to LED backlight and it's slightly more fit if you want high resolution images. However, that first issue has already been addressed with AMOLED Plus a lot, and the second thing is already announced.

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We have had LTE since 2009 here in Sweden and the coverage is now pretty much every city with more than 50,000 citizens and a lot of the area between the cities.

I don't know how it looks in the rest of Europe.

Correction: The coverage is much better than that. I'd say most towns with more than 20,000 citizens have LTE and a rather big percentage of the countryside does too.
That's why I was talking about Europe in specific. It's true that there are one or two countries that are ahead, but when you are looking at Germany, United Kingdom, Netherlands, France, Belgium, Spain, Greece etc., you'll see it's very rare to find LTE coverage.

Sweden is most ahead when looking at LTE coverage, but again, it's very rare to find it in the rest of Europe. I believe Norway also has a 'decent' LTE network.
 
I'm anxious to see what is available when my upgrade rolls around in August! I'm new to iPhone as far as actually owning one and I love it coming from BB and Android.
 
I don't find the iPhone 4 to have very accurate colours at all. Your argument of "LEDs wear out" isn't valid, since Apple is also using LED technology. Of course it's not the same as Organic LEDs, but they do wear out as well.

You are correct that battery consumption depends on what is being displayed (the brighter (white), the more battery is used). However, the new Super AMOLED Plus technology (I'm not talking about any AMOLED technologie in 2010 or before), have much better battery life and better colour accuracy.

Furthermore, Samsung already has announced that high resolution Super AMOLED Plus displays, will be available in 2012. Furthermore, Samsung is expected to announce a new variant of this Super AMOLED Plus technology that uses even less battery, has a brighter screen, is thinner, more colour acurate and also supports much higher resolutions.

Super AMOLED plus actually uses much less energy than LCD, even when showing a white screen.

Therefor, I prefer better Super AMOLED Plus: it uses less battery, has a better viewing angles and the colours are better (and I don't know if they are worse or better in colour accuracy, but the iPhone 4 isn't that good when it comes to colour accuracy). Higher resolution Super AMOLED Plus displays are already announced.

Not to forget, if Apple is going to release this iPhone 6 in the fall of 2012, they will have enough time adapting Super AMOLED Plus' succesor (? Super AMOLED Plus 2 ?).

LCD offers, to me, less advantages. Sure, a brighter screen thanks to LED backlight and it's slightly more fit if you want high resolution images. However, that first issue has already been addressed with AMOLED Plus a lot, and the second thing is already announced.

There hasn't been a single tester I've seen to ever claim that any OLED display has better color accuracy compared to an LCD of the same generation. On the other hand, there's been plenty of data like this:
http://www.phonearena.com/news/NOVA...LED-Plus-vs-Retina-Display-vs-IPS-LCD_id18644

All LEDs wear out, so yes, the backlight will fade on a iPhone 4 as well. But the difference is that it's an even fade on the LCD while OLED displays will fade differently per subpixel since you don't evenly use every subpixel on the display over it's life. As time goes on, the brightness differences for each pixel get worse. This is on top of the fact that OLEDs start with a worse color gamut to begin with.

I'm unaware of anything that justifies why Super AMOLED+ could fair any better than other OLED displays when comparing power consumption against LCD displays when displaying something typically not-black like iPhone app UIs. All the literature I've seen still says that they'd likely need to cut LED power consumption by at least half in order to match LCDs. Not likely to happen anytime soon. (Samsung claims an 18% improvement over the average AMOLED display for Super AMOLED+.) Besides, if they did manage to get 50%, I wouldn't be surprised if the change applied to the LCD backlights as well.
There is simply no proof or reason to believe that any current or upcoming AMOLED display from any manufacturer would provide a battery life benefit on an iOS device.

You keep talking about announced. Keep in mind that announced doesn't necessarily mean soon. If you're a big fan of OLED displays, you know that many OLED displays have been announced by companies for a decade and it's comparatively rare for companies to be using them because of the downsides and the difficulties.

Samsung had a hard enough time making even the crappier pentile matrix, smaller resolution, lower density AMOLED display for the Nexus S. So hard, that in all but their primary markets, they switched to LCDs.

Eventually, Samsung might be able to release an RGB stripe AMOLED display that gives you the same effective resolution as LG's Retina Display. Some day. When that happens, LCD tech would have evolved and gotten cheaper. You're still left with the color accuracy problem which is too expensive/difficult to solve. And the factory yield will still be worse than LCDs.

The only thing Super AMOLED+ (and AMOLED displays in general) has is the contrast. If you like that, that's fine. But every other claim you've made oversells Super AMOLED+ by far, well past what even Samsung as claimed.
 
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For japanese ,nikkei is untrustful news source at technology term in common.
 
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