its true if you have a problem with the data on LTE just turn it off. ATT is 3 gb on 3g, and 5 gb on LTE. never has been a 2.5 cap?? lol
im glad i have true unlimited on verizon with no throttling. already at 4.5 gb
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its true if you have a problem with the data on LTE just turn it off. ATT is 3 gb on 3g, and 5 gb on LTE. never has been a 2.5 cap?? lol
im glad i have true unlimited on verizon with no throttling. already at 4.5 gb
This need to be quoted again because this is whats going to determine overages. Yes data is data but we seem to forget that crappy data uses less of it, quality data is uses more it..
Seems to me (although some my choose not to) turning off LTE is one possible solution to avoid overages.
I don't think turning off LTE is the solution. Why not just turn the entire phone off? LOL.
Here's a tip: most of the streaming apps have a selection somewhere in the preferences for quality/bandwidth use. For example, Pandora has regular streams (about 64K) or "High Quality Streaming" which uses many more bits. Same with Spotify and most other services. Netflix has the ability to set a quality target but you need to that on the web site, not from the mobile app.
For the guy that used up 100MB or so streaming Pandora in just an hour...I can stream almost 3 hours or so on that 100MB so you were on the high quality stream.
Here's a tip: most of the streaming apps have a selection somewhere in the preferences for quality/bandwidth use. For example, Pandora has regular streams (about 64K) or "High Quality Streaming" which uses many more bits. Same with Spotify and most other services. Netflix has the ability to set a quality target but you need to that on the web site, not from the mobile app.
For the guy that used up 100MB or so streaming Pandora in just an hour...I can stream almost 3 hours or so on that 100MB so you were on the high quality stream.
read quote below.
I love how people believe Data = Data.
LTE uses higher quality streams which = Higher Data!
Maybe one day people will learn by others mistakes instead of being stubborn and learning on their own.
not true at all you are limited to 5 gigs before you are throttled. Please stop posting nonsense and more people have unlimited data than you think
Not simple and not a moral. Fact is, while the opportunities to do more off wifi (stream music, videos, etc.) increase, cell companies advertise all the great things you can do on their devices while kicking you in the taint by reducing your data allowance. VZW/s NFL Red Zone is a GREAT example. They say watch games anywhere on your mobile device then tell you to **** off if you want to use data outside wifi. Not everywhere has wifi. I wish something could be done.
I bought my phone on launch day but didn't open it until Sunday. Between then until last night, I've used 1.7 GB of data. I'm on day 11 of 30 into the billing cycle. At this rate of usage, I'm looking at 12.75 GB per month.
Paying full price to keep my unlimited data plan on Verizon was so worth it.
If just surfing the web, will using LTE result in higher data usage than using 3G?
I normal use 300 MB of data (on my 4S) in about 7 or 8 days. I've had my 5 activated for just over 24 hours and have already used 300 MB of data (out of my 2GB for the month). No streaming video or music, just moderate web-browsing. This is crazy, at this rate I'll use my 2 GB in a little over a week, and I'm surfing the web even less than I was when I was using my 4S!
I normal use 300 MB of data (on my 4S) in about 7 or 8 days. I've had my 5 activated for just over 24 hours and have already used 300 MB of data (out of my 2GB for the month). No streaming video or music, just moderate web-browsing. This is crazy, at this rate I'll use my 2 GB in a little over a week, and I'm surfing the web even less than I was when I was using my 4S!
On the surface this is true, but in actuality it's not. If you can consume data faster, you will consume more data given the same amount of time.
Let's say you are on the train to work and you want to watch videos during the entire trip (because it's long and staring out the window is boring compared to watching videos).
On 3G, the video will play for 10 seconds and then pause for 5 seconds to buffer. The total length of the video is 5 minutes. For the length of the video, it paused 30 times to buffer for 5 seconds each (150 seconds total or 2.5 minutes). So it took 7.5 minutes to watch a 5-minute video (a time penalty factor of 1.5).
Let's say that you're able to get a constant LTE connection. The same 5 minute video plays without stopping to buffer. So it takes 5 minutes to watch a 5-minute video. By the end of this video, you are onto your next one, while in the 3G scenario, you're still waiting for data to come through.
The 5-minute video is the same size regardless of how fast your connection is, but with LTE, it was consumed in a shorter amount of time, freeing up that "extra" time for you to consume more data whereas in the past, you would have spent that time waiting instead.
Let's assume that in the course of your entire trip on the train, you would use 50MB on 3G. On LTE, you would have consumed 75MB (50MB x 1.5) with the same amount of time. Instead of spending 1.5x the amount of time waiting, you spent it consuming data. I'm well aware that while buffering, you'll still consuming data. This time delay is average out through the whole trip.
Does behavior factor in? Sure. Most people say that people's habits won't change if they're on LTE. That's a valid assertion. But consider this. What portion of those habits were due to a constraint over which the individual had no control (connection speed)? Now take away that constraint. Are you saying that then those behaviors will now remain the same?
This is in response to your assertion that, "Speed has zero to do with usage." It may not be orders of magnitude (100 times faster does not equate to 100 times more data consumption), but it most definitely is not zero.
If the end of your billing cycle is coming and you see that you've gone over what your plan allows, you can change your plan to the next one up (or move several up) and backdate it to the beginning of the billing cycle. That way, you don't get charged overage fees, you just pay the extra $10 that month. Then you can lower it the next month back to what it originally was. And you can do all of this without extending your contract.
And I agree, if you're super worried about it, turn off LTE. It may be a "major enhancement" but it's one that you have to pay for if you use it too much. It's not Apple's fault if the data is too fast and you use too much.
And I agree, if you're super worried about it, turn off LTE. It may be a "major enhancement" but it's one that you have to pay for if you use it too much. It's not Apple's fault if the data is too fast and you use too much.
lets see I use around 20 to 30 gigs a month, so lets just use 30 gigs as the base line. I pay $30. for data, and use 30 gigs a month. So the going rate for data is $1 = 1 gigabyte. Thats about right, whats your going rate?
Now I am hoping to get that rate down to .50 cents per gig, but that will take a lot of surfing. lol
I keep my iPhone 4S tethered to an Android tablet for LTE speeds. So I can track specific data usage.
A couple days ago I used my iPhone to navigate for about 4 hours. The tethering portion of my data usage was about 25 mb.
While the nav killed the battery it didn't use excessive data. It wasn't a very scientific test because it was just something I noticed when I got home not me looking for it.
On the surface this is true, but in actuality it's not. If you can consume data faster, you will consume more data given the same amount of time.
Let's say you are on the train to work and you want to watch videos during the entire trip (because it's long and staring out the window is boring compared to watching videos).
On 3G, the video will play for 10 seconds and then pause for 5 seconds to buffer. The total length of the video is 5 minutes. For the length of the video, it paused 30 times to buffer for 5 seconds each (150 seconds total or 2.5 minutes). So it took 7.5 minutes to watch a 5-minute video (a time penalty factor of 1.5).
Let's say that you're able to get a constant LTE connection. The same 5 minute video plays without stopping to buffer. So it takes 5 minutes to watch a 5-minute video. By the end of this video, you are onto your next one, while in the 3G scenario, you're still waiting for data to come through.
The 5-minute video is the same size regardless of how fast your connection is, but with LTE, it was consumed in a shorter amount of time, freeing up that "extra" time for you to consume more data whereas in the past, you would have spent that time waiting instead.
Let's assume that in the course of your entire trip on the train, you would use 50MB on 3G. On LTE, you would have consumed 75MB (50MB x 1.5) with the same amount of time. Instead of spending 1.5x the amount of time waiting, you spent it consuming data. I'm well aware that while buffering, you'll still consuming data. This time delay is average out through the whole trip.
Does behavior factor in? Sure. Most people say that people's habits won't change if they're on LTE. That's a valid assertion. But consider this. What portion of those habits were due to a constraint over which the individual had no control (connection speed)? Now take away that constraint. Are you saying that then those behaviors will now remain the same?
This is in response to your assertion that, "Speed has zero to do with usage." It may not be orders of magnitude (100 times faster does not equate to 100 times more data consumption), but it most definitely is not zero.
Using that scenario the data use is likely going to be even higher. Services like Netflix and YouTube are going to serve a higher quality video to LTE connections than 3G connections. It's going to be more like 3-4 times as much data.
I have not seen any great jump in usage since I got the 5. I agree maps does not seem to be a huge data hog. Makes sense as the screen is way smaller.
I've noticed that if you skip a lot in Spotify you will use a bit more as it can buffer way faster so you are throwing more away when you skip.
I've noticed that if you skip a lot in Spotify you will use a bit more as it can buffer way faster so you are throwing more away when you skip.
Its Funny... My LTE Ipad uses way more data to do the same basic things I always did with the 3G. And I only use it on the weekends when we are at a summer home. I dont feel like I used it anymore than when i had the 3G model. I browse the same websites and play the same games. But somehow I was using 5 times more data.
I just dont get it.
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I, too have an old unlimited plan that I've kept. The ability to use Facetime over the network is how they will tempt you to give it up for a new , limited, shared data plan. It was also my understanding that even with an unlimited data plan, AT&T will throttle your speed down once you get past 5 gb (addl. pressure to let go of that unlimited plan.
I am going to keep the unlimited plan for interim to see how much damage I will do w/ LTE, then decide if a 5GB plan is enough for me. Right now, I don't use that much...but then I had a 3gs on 3g...not an IP5 on LTE. The speed is absolutely impressive...and scary, in regards to data usage. There will seriously need to be vast infrastructure build out to support LTE en masse.
I am going to keep the unlimited plan for interim to see how much damage I will do w/ LTE, then decide if a 5GB plan is enough for me. Right now, I don't use that much...but then I had a 3gs on 3g...not an IP5 on LTE. The speed is absolutely impressive...and scary, in regards to data usage. There will seriously need to be vast infrastructure build out to support LTE en masse.
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BTW...I'm on AT&T. (sorry been on the AT&T pre-order thread for so long, I forgot that not everyone with an iPhone is an AT&T customer.)
Actually LTE is the build out, if your getting the service its already ready already. The carriers are just trying to scare people that there isnt enough bandwidth, thats BS, there is enough LTE bandwidth. The real issue is people will be using data for texts, and calls, so the cash cow of minutes and texts is going bye bye and the carriers are getting ready for that. Or instead of $100. per person they would be getting $30. per person, and they are scared of that, believe me.
The overage rate is only $1 per GB? That seems hard to believe, if so, what's all the complaining about?
Not entirely true. If you compare two identical websites or apps today, then yes. I work with several developers...the apps, games, videos, audio and other files are definitely being built with faster connections and more efficient phones in mind. Files and sites will begin using more data simply by the way they are going to be developed. Think higher resolution pictures, higher definition video, and better quality sound. Apps will be higher resolution and stream higher quality. More data will be consumed.
An original Nintendo game was what, 0.5mb? What are games today?
No im sorry I totally miss understood your question, thats my going rate for data.
I think verizon charges 15$ per gig over.