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Luna Display to Stick Around Despite New Sidecar Feature in macOS Catalina
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ISVs don't exist w/o the foundations and frameworks of the platform. The vast majority of innovation is already in place by the platform.
Yes, I don’t think Sidecar will be as smooth and latency free as people seem to think.
apple's cintiq workaround...
wacom "mobile studio's" and cintiq users still waiting for a real alternative from apple, in the meanwhile, Sidecar allows to play with your toy and your mac together (lag free, control all the connected screens with the pen, physical buttons, lighter pencil for 8 hours workflow every day, etc...)
wacom "mobile studio's" and cintiq users still waiting for a real alternative from apple, in the meanwhile, Sidecar allows to play with your toy and your mac together (lag free, control all the connected screens with the pen, physical buttons, lighter pencil for 8 hours workflow every day, etc...)
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After using Sidecar the difference is huge. I bought a Luna and tried it a few times and the experience was terrible. Unless you need to use Windows I can’t see any reason why anyone would use Luna once this is officially released.
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Having used it, you are very wrong.
My iPad Pro has been my main machine for 3 years though sometimes it’s nice to sit back at a desktop. As the iPad Pro moves to app support parity with the Mac, helped along by Catalyst, a Mac will just be a different way of getting things done.
Just wait, the App store rules will be changed just in time for the release of sidecar. Rules will state that duplicating a screen is not allowed due to "security concern".
Doubt it. It shouldn’t even be a blimp in their radar. The reason is: for illustration tasks Procreate can already stand toe to toe with Photoshop and Clip Studio Paint (even if they were Mac/PC exclusives, but they aren’t: one will be released on iPad this year and the other one is already here) so not much will change (if they do feel the impact, it will be because of iOS Photoshop, not Sidecar). Also, it is blazingly fast and smooth, more than anything for illustratuon on the Mac - and fully mobile.
Sidecar will have two main usage cases, none of which will influence Procreate:
1. For tasks that require a Mac, due to complexity or software exclusivity, it is now possible to use the Apple Pencil. My example is Zbrush: something that I use but doesn’t exist on iPad.
2. As an additional space (monitor) for using a Mac, especially on the go. Having two screens for a complex app or for two (or more) apps to be used side by side, having two screens is a big boost.
These are two really good reasons and I can’t wait for Sidecar because of them.
But the days when Procreate’s target audience (illustrators) needed better native software on the iPad is long gone. Procreate is now fully featured and really powerful, the great Clip Studio Pro is already on the platform and Photoshop/Project Gemini is also coming this year.
Catalyst being iOS apps to macOS, I require macOS apps on iOS. No decent web development apps on iPadOS, as an example. The few available are very limited.
I would say office apps are on par between mobile and desktop, we are getting there however very slowly. If Apple were serious about iPadOS, they would not be playing games with features and functions and just port the same capabilities that is available on macOS. For example port all capabilities of Finder into Files app. Do we have native WebDAV support in Files under iOS 13, nope. How about sFTP, built right into iOS. I feel Apple is just playing games and teasing us with feature introduction and implementation on iPadOS. Was it so hard for Craig to say Files app has all the capabilities of Finder, oh I forgot it will be stretched out over 5 years.
Don’t want to port macOS to iPad, no problem. Just bring all it’s capabilities ASAP oh stop calling it a computer.
This doesn't necessarily spell the end of third-party screen sharing apps, if nothing else it should spur them on to provide a better user experience. I've had Duet for years and I stopped using it after 6 months or so because the UX was awful for me.
There are many native apps that have subjectively better alternatives out there. For example, Notes has been built into Apple's OS forever, but I still prefer Notability and have purchased it across both platforms because IMO it's far better for the iPad Pro and Apple Pencil.
For me, these apps and ideas have been out there long enough that Apple (or whoever) should be allowed to integrate the feature into their OS. If they'd incorporated the feature into the OS a month after someone else came up with it (and I'm not saying this doesn't happen), then that would be below the belt, but I can't think of an example of where this has happened.
There are many native apps that have subjectively better alternatives out there. For example, Notes has been built into Apple's OS forever, but I still prefer Notability and have purchased it across both platforms because IMO it's far better for the iPad Pro and Apple Pencil.
For me, these apps and ideas have been out there long enough that Apple (or whoever) should be allowed to integrate the feature into their OS. If they'd incorporated the feature into the OS a month after someone else came up with it (and I'm not saying this doesn't happen), then that would be below the belt, but I can't think of an example of where this has happened.
I just don’t get the quote, “While we’re disappointed with Apple’s decision...”
What decision, exactly? To provide a competing service natively, and enter their market space? Weird self victimization there.
What decision, exactly? To provide a competing service natively, and enter their market space? Weird self victimization there.
Unless people need the functionality their will not spend extra for it, case in point your situation and requirement. If it is free and built-in, that option will be of convenience and expand people to do more without spending anything more.
People are not going to spend $100’s on an iPad and Mac, then spend a little more on a third party option. Either the built-in option is good enough, find another cheaper method or not use it at all.
How many people do you know still use Flux app on their Mac?
Even ChromeCast is built into TV and Sound-bars, now we have AirPlay2 going down the same path. We have smart thermostats with Alexa built-in, eventually if the capabilities of a standalone will be better used and affordable for many to incorporate it into another product then it will happen. Not all of these integrations make sense, however the consumer has a choice to speak up.
Is this saying SideCar will NOT work as a main display for a Mac mini? I was about to upgrade my Mac mini, sell my old one, sell my MBP and get an iPad pro to use as the mini's main display. I also see this small hint that Luna might work with older Mac's... Over to their website I go...
I will not be updating grading to Catalina anytime soon I am not even using Mojave yet so Luna is still a good fit for me
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I don't think this company will die as quickly as some are saying here.
The used Mac market is a thriving one. And unless Apple fixes it's portables (that'll take a few years) that market will continue to thrive.
This product may fill that niche, although I cannot speak for its quality one way or another.
The used Mac market is a thriving one. And unless Apple fixes it's portables (that'll take a few years) that market will continue to thrive.
This product may fill that niche, although I cannot speak for its quality one way or another.
I realize this is a tardy reply, sorry about that. One correction: Duet does not require a cable. I've always used it with a cable, but they definitely do support wireless. I can't really comment on latency with their wireless implementation, but I do know that they support it.
That said, I'm coming around to reluctantly agreeing with your statement "Apple could technically do it on older Macs, but it’s probably not happening". I do hope you're wrong about that, but I fear you are not wrong. I'm actually quite content with Duet for my use case, so I shouldn't fret about Sidecar working or not, I guess. The big open question is - did Apple make changes which will screw up Duet? Or will screw up Luna? If Duet still works (I'd switch to Luna only if I had to), then I will remain content (albeit envious of those who can use Sidecar).
If anyone know whether or not Duet (or Luna) works with the public beta of Catalina, please let me know - and thanks!
I can tell you Luna (as well as Astropad) works perfectly in Catalina beta and, with the latest update (that reduces pixelisation further), is very, very close to Sidecar (especially when connected with a cable). The main difference in wireless mode is that Sidecar does not use a local wifi network but BT instead (or maybe a combination of the two) and its performance is consistent and available wherever you are, while Luna/Astropad requires a fast home network to function properly over wifi.
Also, in order to have Luna/Astropad as an extended display (not a mirror) - you need a hardware dongle. I have it and tested it in Catalina, works great.
But yes, tldr, Luna works perfectly in Catalina and is almost just like Sidecar - with a cable or a fast wifi network. Haven’t tried Duet.
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Fantastic, thanks! It's good to know that I can use Luna if Duet doesn't work out. If Luna works well, then I expect Duet should also. I feel reassured enough to test Catalina (once I muster up the courage, that is).
Depends on what you expect. It's not intended for twitch gaming or anything. But it's very good. Also, if you compare it to native iPad apps, of course it's not as smooth - especially compared to 120Hz apps like Procreate. But compared to working on a Mac with a, say, Cintiq - the experience is, actually, quite good and very close. The fact that you get something very close on a screen that is wireless is very impressive - and comes with benefits that can, for a lot of people, outweigh the few downsides. And you get to use the amazing Pencil. BTW, it is 100% usable and comfortable for professional work in illustration and sculpting apps.
Great to hear from your first hand experience. I have a Mac mini 2018 and I am waiting to buy Luna and see first if there is a possibility in sidecar to use the iPad as main and only display. This would make my Mac mini extremely portable.
Any thought on that?
If they set their price to a competitive one time purchase fee, and ditch their greedy subscription they can last as long as they stay better than apple. They’ve already burned bridges with people who bought and supported them at the beginning before they switched to subscription and now that decision is biting them back.
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I wouldn’t say it’s greedy, it’s really hard to make a sustainable business. Especially now when Apple offers something very similar (and in many ways better) for free. The problem with Side Car, though, is the terrible pressure curve, something Apple doesn’t seem to care about, but everything else works better than Astropad - and it doesn’t cost anything.
Astropad has Windows users and those on older Macs. But in the long run, I’m not sure if they can keep up. I feel kind of bad for them, but - again - I doubt greed has anything to do with their pricing, though I admit I wish it was a bit lower.
I think they are just doing what Adobe did because for some reason people accepted it ( no choice industry standard) Adobe states they needed to move to subscription model for long term success...I don’t buy it they’ve been around for 30 years and were just fine - they just want more, hence my greed call. It seems everyone is excepting that statement as truth and just parroting it instead of questioning it. I am from the school of thought that an artist should never have to rent tools. Companies like Savage ( Procreate) Serif ( Affinity Designer) have both stated they won’t go subscription.
With the introduction of Full ipad photoshop and illustrator Procreate and Affinity will be directly in competition with Adobe. I think Serif and Savages decision to support artists and turn away from subscription will be a huge factor in keeping them alive on the ipad now that they will go,toe to toe with Adobe.
I think Luna/astropad will be fine until sidecar adds the touch feature, and I rewlly hope they do as I have a feeling not having the touch feature on my iPad will be really annoying.
Also curious if sidecar will have a dual screen support ( 2 different screens) .
Edit: I think it would be fair to offer both buy once and subscription price models
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