Wait for a million knock offs that cost a lot less, and are braided and higher quality.
higher quality knock off?
Wait for a million knock offs that cost a lot less, and are braided and higher quality.
Well.. Apple's Cables are usually not known for their "high quality". Especially the Lightning and USB-C cables.higher quality knock off?
You actually do need fans in a liquid cooling setup, they just don't need to run as hard, because liquid cooling is far more efficient at heat transfer.A $45 liquid cooling setup removes the need for fans at all. Fan noise isn’t a reason to prefer low-power CPUs in a desktop machine that will be plugged in 100% of the time and has no portable/battery operation at all.
1. will never change
- cost for ram upgrade
- ram upgrade limit
- 27" or 32" with proper 1440p or 2160p respectively
- 120Hz screen
That's all unfortunate.1. will never change
2. will change in the Future
3. will be more like 5K at 27“ and 6K at 32“ with apples measurement for retina. At the obvious price though.
4. unlikely. High res and high refresh rate is theoretically possible, but insanely expensive. And there are just the Interfaxes released that would support that high res and such high refresh rate.
Well, that's your opinion and you are certainly entitled to it. The new iMac will be faster with sustained workloads, faster than the M1 laptops out there. Will it be a big difference? Of course not. Do most users need more performance than what the M1 has to offer? No.While the M1 is groundbreaking in a portable device, Apple underwhelmed with the iMac. Design is half baked - the chin vs what other options (more hardware in base with ports?) and the lack of progress in performance given the packaging options (cooling, for instance).
Laptop with a monitor is way more compelling.
Well, that's your opinion and you are certainly entitled to it. The new iMac will be faster with sustained workloads, faster than the M1 laptops out there. Will it be a big difference? Of course not. Do most users need more performance than what the M1 has to offer? No.
The M1 is faster than the i5 and the i7. This should be more than enough for years to come. People that need more power should wait for the M1X. No reason to bash this iMac.
You seem to be unfamiliar with small form factor systems, which are completely different than big liquid cooled desktops. For whatever reason apple has developed a fetish for ultra thin devices, and in those devices intel couldn't compete. There was at times severe throttling, fan noise and excessive heat. That's what low power cpus prevent. apple got tired of waiting for intel to advance to the next stage of manufacturing, so they went on their own.The other reason is that users simply don’t (and shouldn’t) care about whether the Apple CPU is low power or not (assuming thermal design was done and battery life isn’t involved). They simply want the speed.
Iphone se? MacBook Air? Ipad? Great values!Funny how Apple’s costs management never results in customers getting better/lower prices.
I'm replacing my late 2013 21" imac with an m1 23" imac, so for me it's great. People just need more patience and knowledge. Making chips is a big deal for apple and they're better of rolling products out cautiously then trying to please all those with unrealistic expectations. I suspect a good portion of this M1 rollout is just checking chip thermodynamics in the real world. The more knowledge they have the better they'll be able to expand.I agree. I didn’t bash the 21” iMac. It was never a consideration or worthwhile enough to criticize it. The same basically applies here. No interest in the smaller iMac. I’m sure it’ll be great for those that are or like the colors.
You're stuck on the idea of desktops that are not AIOs. AIOs need low wattage cpus because an AIO is basically a laptop on a stand. They experience all the thermo problems that laptops experience and have to come up with quiet solutions to solve the heat cast off from medium and high wattage cpus. Apple solved the problem not by installing more fans, but by developing a low wattage cpu. If you can get the big beige box idea of a PC out of your head it's all very easy to understand.For desktops I couldn’t care less about performance per watt. This sounds like the Japanese car fans making excuses for their tiny low-power engines by discussing how their engines have more HP-per-liter. In the end what matters is your total power (or CPU speed) not how little electricity (or liters) you used to get it. Especially in the case of the CPU since you’re largely stuck with they give you (you can’t slap a turbocharger on your CPU - I don’t think Apple motherboards and CPUs are overcloc-friendly). Desktop computing users don’t care whether a CPU uses 25 watts or 250 watts. They want performance, not excuses.
The ram isn't as important as it used to be in the intel models, so I'd recommend dumping those from the list of concerns. The others I can't help you with.That's all unfortunate.My late 2012 will have to stretch his legs.
I mean, I want 16GB at least, but I'm never happy with the cost when you can't do it yourself on a computer.The ram isn't as important as it used to be in the intel models, so I'd recommend dumping those from the list of concerns. The others I can't help you with.
I am expecting my mid range imac to be delivered from Best Buy sometime today to replace my late 2013 imac that is sooo slow. So i can identify with some of your pain.
Yes to the DIY. We've got a Dell pc and a Cybertek from when DIY prices were too high. The Cybertek is very easy to upgrade as it's made from common parts. The Dell is more difficult and tighter with some proprietary parts, so it requires more research to get a match and a physical fit.I mean, I want 16GB at least, but I'm never happy with the cost when you can't do it yourself on a computer.
DIY in respect to being able to add ram, or storage, on your own. Apple prices are basically double for each. If they would just design the dang thing to have a panel on the back to allow access to both, I'd be in line to get one immediately. I know I'm just one person and in the grand scheme of it all, Apple doesn't really care what I have to say, or whether I buy one or not.Yes to the DIY. We've got a Dell pc and a Cybertek from when DIY prices were too high. The Cybertek is very easy to upgrade as it's made from common parts. The Dell is more difficult and tighter with some proprietary parts, so it requires more research to get a match and a physical fit.
And apple is in a league of their own with You Can't Touch This.
You obviously misunderstood my point. It’s all fine and well to fetishize power-efficiency in portable, battery-operated systems. It’s quite another to compromise speed by using those same chips in desktop-class systems where heat and battery aren’t issues.You seem to be unfamiliar with small form factor systems, which are completely different than big liquid cooled desktops. For whatever reason apple has developed a fetish for ultra thin devices, and in those devices intel couldn't compete. There was at times severe throttling, fan noise and excessive heat. That's what low power cpus prevent. apple got tired of waiting for intel to advance to the next stage of manufacturing, so they went on their own.
The people on youtube reviewing m1 apples vs intel apples are talking about power consumption, heat and fan noise. You're not familiar with that world but it does exist, especially with laptops.
Even a AIO like an iMac can do things laptops can’t; they could literally put a 1 pound brick/heat sink of aluminum inside that would make it far better than any laptop, for just one silly example.You're stuck on the idea of desktops that are not AIOs. AIOs need low wattage cpus because an AIO is basically a laptop on a stand. They experience all the thermo problems that laptops experience and have to come up with quiet solutions to solve the heat cast off from medium and high wattage cpus. Apple solved the problem not by installing more fans, but by developing a low wattage cpu. If you can get the big beige box idea of a PC out of your head it's all very easy to understand.
Intel should go into liquidation
You obviously misunderstood my point. It’s all fine and well to fetishize power-efficiency in portable, battery-operated systems. It’s quite another to compromise speed by using those same chips in desktop-class systems where heat and battery aren’t issues.
Well, the counter-argument is that the M1 is what (possibly) allows the iMac to be as thin as it is. I suppose we can argue until the cows come home about whether the iMac really needs to be that slim, but the point is that this is a form factor you will not likely see with existing Intel or AMD chips.You obviously misunderstood my point. It’s all fine and well to fetishize power-efficiency in portable, battery-operated systems. It’s quite another to compromise speed by using those same chips in desktop-class systems where heat and battery aren’t issues.