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skaertus

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On the contrary. Your comparison in not fair. You are comparing Apple's entry level chip with the best Intel has to offer. Either compare M1 with the entry level Intel chips or compare the top Intel chips with M1X or whatever it's called when it's released.
Well, in fact, the M1 is currently Apple's highest-end chip. Apple has several other A chips which are lower-end. Apple is expected to release a higher-end chip, to compete with Intel's higher-end, but it is only speculation so far.
 

SactoGuy18

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Sep 11, 2006
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I mean let’s have some perspective here. This is an Intel 8th gen, the 8700. Desktop chips are on 10th/11th gen now which would be a better comparison.

i7 10700

1262
Single-Core Score
7759
Multi-Core Score

i7 11700

1562
Single-Core Score
9219
Multi-Core Score


This isn’t to say the M1 isn’t competitive because it is, especially when you consider M1 is entry level and sips power. But comparisons like the article aren’t great when the previous model wasn’t refreshed for ages.
I'd agree, but those are fairly expensive CPU's that run quite hot and will likely need extensive cooling systems. The M1 itself uses a tiny fraction of the power of the CPU's you mentioned and doesn't need an extensive CPU cooling system, either.
 
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nate001

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Aug 13, 2016
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I mean let’s have some perspective here. This is an Intel 8th gen, the 8700. Desktop chips are on 10th/11th gen now which would be a better comparison.

i7 10700

1262
Single-Core Score
7759
Multi-Core Score

i7 11700

1562
Single-Core Score
9219
Multi-Core Score


This isn’t to say the M1 isn’t competitive because it is, especially when you consider M1 is entry level and sips power. But comparisons like the article aren’t great when the previous model wasn’t refreshed for ages.
I don't know if a 65W i7 processor can really be compared to the 10-15W M1 processor. A better comparison might be the 15W i7-1185G7 (4C/8T) given thermal constraints. The i7-1185G7 has a Geekbench score of 1417 single and 4857 multi.
 

LiE_

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I don't know if a 65W i7 processor can really be compared to the 10-15W M1 processor. A better comparison might be the 15W i7-1185G7 (4C/8T) given thermal constraints. The i7-1185G7 has a Geekbench score of 1417 single and 4857 multi.
I agree within its power class the M1 is astounding.

This article however is comparing big boy Intel powered CPUs so I thought it fair to point out its not exactly fair to look at the 2017 8700 just so we can state big headline performance boosts.
 

citysnaps

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Oct 10, 2011
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The fact that the M1 iMac is still 3.2GHz despite opportunity for better cooling is disappointing. I was expecting 3.5 at least.

It’s disappointing on many levels. It demonstrates the lack of headroom, the lack of progress in 6 months. It shows the difficulty they may have with the M2.

During the PPC transition higher clocks and dot revisions came within a few months.

This means the M2 will need a significantly more powerful core design to make sense, not just more cores.

If you are into clock rate numbers, as it sounds like you are, sure. If you're into performance, especially for an entry level machine, it's outstanding.


"It demonstrates the lack of headroom, the lack of progress in 6 months."

You should send some feedback and a heads-up to Johny Srouji.
 

PBG4 Dude

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dannyyankou

macrumors G5
Mar 2, 2012
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I mean let’s have some perspective here. This is an Intel 8th gen, the 8700. Desktop chips are on 10th/11th gen now which would be a better comparison.

i7 10700

1262
Single-Core Score
7759
Multi-Core Score

i7 11700

1562
Single-Core Score
9219
Multi-Core Score


This isn’t to say the M1 isn’t competitive because it is, especially when you consider M1 is entry level and sips power. But comparisons like the article aren’t great when the previous model wasn’t refreshed for ages.
This iMac isn’t intended to compete with 11th gen intel machines, it’s aimed more at consumers. 27 inch iMac uses 10th gen intel. A better comparison would be to wait and see what apple uses in their larger iMac, then compare that to intel.
 
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petvas

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The benchmark results are really impressive and show that the new iMac is around 50% faster than my 6 Core i5 27" iMac. The M1 is still not faster than the high end i9 models, but I guess we will see it with the M2 when it comes out. The new 24" iMac is intriguing and the only thing that holds me back from ordering one is the lack of support for 32GB of RAM. Apart from that I like what Apple has done with the new iMac.
 

Serban55

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This is about the cpu....i want to know about the gpu power
They said this is up to 50% better than the vega 20...is this true or not
 

Hexley

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That's just unreal. These are perfect for almost anyone that wants a Mac and doesn't consider themself a Pro.
And yet people still complain about it.

Apple has little incentive to service the sub-$699 PC market, the sub-$399 smartphone market and the sub-$299 tablet market as it costs more to sell & support than it's worth. Time is better spent pioneering new markets or disrupting old ones.

I'm perfectly happy with the previous design that started in 2012 but I welcome this as it gives me an excuse to upgrade my perfectly functional 8yo iMac 27" to the next larger screen iMac with Apple Silicon.

Jumping from a 22nm 77W TDP Core i7-3770 4/8 core/threads to a 5nm <77W TDP M1x >8/8 core/threads.

By the early 2030s I expect <1nm Apple Silicon SoC to be in the next iPhone, iPads, Macs and other Apple products.

1nm chips will be used by AMD.

10nm++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ chips will be used by Intel.
 
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tann

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Can't believe they still sell a non M1 version though. It's from something like 2017 (and at the time wasn't a good purchase) and I feel sorry for whoever buys it.
 
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Realityck

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Nov 9, 2015
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Completely agree.
This article is about comparisons to the old 21" - which is "meh" to me.
I was more interested in how this would stack up to the existing M1 MBA and MBP

(I was hoping it would be another level up with desktop cooling)
Probably is very close to the same. But we need to also step away from just the CPU benchmarks comparisons to the Compute Benchmark (Metal) where M1 gets about 19500 -21500 averaged.
 

lakerchick4life

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I would buy this if it was a 27 inch display or 32 inches..my only beef with this was that the monitor is just too small Im not a fan of 24 inches
 

dwaite

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Jun 11, 2008
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I wonder whether the next iteration of Apple ARM will be (1) faster for single-thread performance, or (2) scale sideways to more cores?

I wonder if they're already at the limit of single-thread performance?

They really need to fix the SSD wear issue - there is no excuse for terabytes of I/O for just a few weeks of normal use.
they will likely need a process improvement to eek out significantly more single core performance. i would expect they add more lower performance cores.

i have heard no confirmation of widespread ssd use or wear issue. It’s just as likely a bug in smartmontools.
 

currocj

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Jul 8, 2008
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Looks like my Core i9 iMac from 2019 with 64GB of RAM is safe. I'll wait for the "pro" iMac with more RAM. I have one more year of AppleCare on this thing.
Also your 2019 iMac is the last one that is SSD m.2 upgradeable, as well as the CPU and RAM. You might want to hold onto that bad boy, it could serve you well for years

(2020 iMacs are also ssd m.2 upgradeable IF you purchased the price laughable upgrade to 4 or 8TB ssd; I just upgraded my 2017 5K iMac to 4TB this past weekend and its screaming fast now)
 
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