Not a single issue at all with my Apple Studio Display for years.
Maybe stop using PC hardware who didn’t design these displays for Mac’s?
Maybe stop using PC hardware who didn’t design these displays for Mac’s?
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M1/M2 flickering, ghosting with external display [Merged]
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Why buy a PC monitor and not an Apple monitor for your Mac and then afterwards complain about problems? This is a user error buying PC hardware who didn’t design it for Mac’s.
And my Samsung TV works perfect with my Mac too (I have my M2 MBA connected as a media center).
So 3rd party manufacturers can actually make it work correctly with Mac if they do their job.
But feel free to switch to PC if you want 100% compatibility with all the PC hardware there is on the market.
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Have you looked at their prices? I'd have to be mad at the money to buy an Apple monitor. The price difference is more than ten times.
By the way, the Mac Mini is a PC (read: personal computer). It is not up for further discussion!
What none of us know (including you) is the cause of these problems.
If the cause is that your monitor is out of spec (but happens to work on PCs because historically PCs have been sloppy about the spec) then it's not Apple's fault, but it is the monitor makers' fault.
Or maybe the spec is just inherently ambiguous, in a way that no-one noticed until Apple started interpreting one element of the spec differently from everyone else. In which case it's the spec that's at fault.
It feels like a big problem here is that there don't seem to be display plugfests the way there were (still are?) for eg WiFi where everyone gets together to ensure that each piece of HW works with each other piece, and resolves whatever issues are found (including, eg, spec ambiguity). This seems to be a natural progression for all tech as it moves from the direct control of engineers (who just want it to work) to the control of "the corporation", ie the finance and legal guys who care less about getting it to work than about apportioning blame when it doesn't work.
Displays are in a particularly unfortunate situation in that, on the one hand they are mature technology, very much subject to the grip of ossified corporations who care far more about apportioning blame than about fixing things.
But on the other hand the actual connectors are leading edge in terms of the data speeds required, and we keep changing/adding to these connector specs.
It's a horribly toxic combination that plays out exactly as badly as you'd expect.
Things are not that easy. Linux has problems too supporting all the hardware that is available. For example, Intel runs like crap on Linux despite CPU's being a "mature" technology. AMD runs much better on Linux.
The problem is super easy to solve:
1. Buy an Apple display
2. Buy a PC (which supports all 3rd party PC hardware).
Probably if Apple would have stuck to x86 Intel CPU's, things would have been much closer to a PC. But now, Mac's are basically running beefed up iPhone chips.
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Hey, I'm an electronics guy. Monitors only show a picture, these devices add nothing to the picture. And if from signalcable comes in a faulty signal, the monitor shows a faulty picture. This particular case is a problem with the graphics card or dust. Just before I got the recommendation from that forum, I removed the dust from my computer and it was there.
edit: At the moment, things are in perfect order, let's see what the situation is in a year's time.
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Now I see that this was not the solution. The problems are back after 48h uptime, and this indicates that the graphics card is starting to fail or we are dealing with a software error.
I notice that the interference is stronger on the side of the monitor that is closer to the Mac Mini.... (WiFi radio interference???) I'll see if I can move the computer further away from the monitor. I'll turn off wifi, I don't need it for mac mini.
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I would expect that an "electronics guy" understands what digital protocols are, and the many many ways in which a protocol implementation might appear to be within spec (that is "it works") when connected to one device but not to another device.
There is no such thing as monitors specifically for macOS, Windows, or Linux. A monitor only processes the signal sent from the graphics card. However, the specifications, standards, and operation are independent of the system. Apple has not invented a new way of transmitting images either. There is also no confirmed information from Apple about the incompatibility of monitors with PCs.
People who have not built a computer themselves, please do not post. I do not need your annoying posts, Thank you.
At the moment the computer has been moved further away from the monitor and the problem has not returned yet. Solved (maybe), the device emitting the wifi signal was too close to the monitor.
@bombardier10 , Yes, One understanding person in the group, great. If we had any conflicting differences here, the connectors wouldn't be compatible.
At the moment the computer has been moved further away from the monitor and the problem has not returned yet. Solved (maybe), the device emitting the wifi signal was too close to the monitor.
@bombardier10 , Yes, One understanding person in the group, great. If we had any conflicting differences here, the connectors wouldn't be compatible.
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They "designed" it for a standard, like HDMI or DisplayPort. The same standards that Apple supports.
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Most HDMI issues I've ever had were fixed by using a better cable.
People like you are the reason that the "Apple fanboy" stereotype exists.
We're talking about a freaking monitor. It should be universal. ASD price is ridiculously expensive for a casual user.
Apple should just put the goddamn toggle for GPU dithering. I've been dealing with flickering with external display in my M1 Macbook since I bought it right after the launch. There shouldn't be an excuse for this problem to exist after 6 years.
Is it Apple's problem to fix?
Just because flickering happens when dithering is turned on doesn't mean that the flickering is Apple's fault or that it's Apple's responsibility to change the signal that their computers output.
When a monitor work with any device except for M* Macs, Apple should do something instead of just asking people to buy their 2K USD monitor.
Plenty of people use their Apple Silicon Macs with 3rd-party monitors no problem.
I don't think it's necessarily Apple's responsibility to fix a problem that only happens with certain models of monitor, especially if the problem isn't Apple's fault.
I believe Eizo’s claims, as they provide explanations and a compatibility chart for their monitors.
I'm probably not the first person to have this insight, but here's what I assume is happening.
Some models of monitor will analyze the input signal and adjust the backlight brightness (and image) accordingly, in order to save power or increase contrast or whatever. Doing this adjustment once in a while is probably only barely noticeable, if at all.
But when Apple does GPU dithering, they're changing the input signal at high frequency. The changes are very small, but if the images being sent to the monitor are right around the threshold for the monitor to "intelligently" change its backlight brightness, you get horrible flicker.
From an engineering perspective, the monitor designers should have probably included some fuzzy logic in their image processing algorithm as a failsafe to prevent this flicker.