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This DIY upgrade is only interesting and newsworthy if we can get the M1 machines to at-least 32GB.

Apple's upgrade to 16GB is far too expensive, but potentially ruining a machine just to DIY an M1 from 8GB to 16GB is not worth it.
 
Although those slot standards are a hot mess in fairness. I have a couple of PCs running Ubuntu playing the part of "the cloud (tm)" at my house, one of which use M.2 (it has 3 M.2 slots on the Mobo, but the drive only physically and logically fits into one of them - the other hosts a wifi adapter or some craziness).
No they're not. It sounds like you just don't have much of an understanding of the different slots and what they are capable of. Having a WIFI adapter in one of the smaller slots is nothing close to "craziness". Literally every laptop and desktop from the past few years has one.
 
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So, this means that Apple could *technically* support swappable RAM and storage. From a profitability and user-hostile perspective, it'll never happen.
Yeah, I seriously doubt Apple would allow users to upgrade those components, citing “dangerous” and threaten “void warranty”, claiming “we are the experts” pretending all users know nothing about tech.
Rant over.
 
Even experienced people with the right equipment will have a tough time saying this is a viable/reliable thing to do.
Only time will tell if this process and tools can mature so skilled technician can do them without bigger risk.

For repair purposes it is not new really but good news it is working with M1. My 2008 MBP have graphic chip exchanged 5 years ago or so.

In few years we will see if option to upgrade old M1 to say 32 GB of memory will be price competitive to other solutions. Beefing up SSD will be more viable i guess.
 
I thought the SSD couldn't be replaced in the post-T2 Mac era due to the security lockout. So are they saying that with the switch from Intel to M1, that security feature is removed? I guess there could be made easier somehow with the M1 performing the T2's former functions.

Lots of upvotes for a misunderstanding of the function of the T2.

The T2 doesn’t prevent the use of a new drive, it prevents the use of the paired drive in any other machine. See the Mac Pro.
 
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Technicians in China have reportedly succeeded in upgrading the memory and storage of the M1 chip, suggesting that Apple's integrated custom silicon for the Mac may be more flexible than previously thought.

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Reports of maintenance technicians being able to expand the memory and storage of M1 Macs began circulating on Chinese social media over the weekend, but now international reports have started to clarify the situation.

Technicians in Guangzhou, China have discovered that it is possible to detach the RAM from the M1 chip and its nearby SSD module and replace them with larger capacity components, which are correctly recognized by macOS, without breaking the device.

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As proof, a large number of images showing the process of a base model M1 MacBook Air with 8GB of RAM and 256GB of storage being upgraded to 16GB of RAM and 1TB of storage, and this change being correctly shown in macOS Big Sur, have been shared online.

The RAM and SSD components on Apple's M1 Macs are soldered in place, making the procedure extremely challenging, and there is reportedly a high chance of failure. This invasive unofficial upgrade also undoubtedly breaches Apple's warranty.

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Apple has made it increasingly challenging for users to upgrade their own Macs over the years, and it was thought that the M1 Mac represented a final solidification of this move, with all of the M1 Mac's computing components being heavily physically integrated. The possibility of upgrading the memory and storage of M1 Macs, albeit in an invasive and risky procedure, therefore seems to be a significant discovery.

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Due to the difficulty of upgrading the RAM or SSD, almost all M1 owners will likely still have to rely on the memory and storage configuration that they chose at the point of purchase, with upgrades being confined to a minority of enthusiasts, although it has been suggested that M1 Mac memory and storage upgrades in Asia will be available through unofficial channels.

M1 Mac owners may be keen to see if the process behind these upgrades is refined over time and becomes a more viable option.

Article Link: M1 Mac RAM and SSD Upgrades Found to Be Possible After Purchase
So went to read the whole original info in Chinese source. Currently Huaqiangbei, hardware and parts center market in China has confirmed the upgrade in multiple source. The memory upgrade is relatively easy as the memory chip welded in is a normal LPDDR4X, takes some time to swap but not hard. The ssd disk upgrade takes a bit extra work as Apple integrated a T2 chip to lock your M1 in with the id of the pre-rinstalled ssd disk. Hence the repair technician needs to decipher that first then upgrade. Now Huangqiangbei technicians have started taken orders for such upgrade with roughly charge of $120-$130.
 
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this was there for quite some time. those folks can even upgrade ram to 16GB in a 2015 MBA.

the service is not cheap though. and they managed to add a 2nd NVME connector to a 2020 iMac.
 
I appreciate the Pioneer moxie, but this isn’t practical for any user, normal or power. This is a tinkerer’s dream, but that’s it. The wizards of Guangzhou and Shenzhen seem to be able to do just about anything, I give them props for trying this and proving it could work.

For the remaining 99.995% of the rest of us, spec your rigs accordingly depending on your workload and for three years in advance.

For those of you trying to hypermile your Macs into oblivion, max out your rig and be done with it. Of course, if you’re still complaining at the end of the day, go buy a Windows laptop and be done with it.
 
This is why I think a Mac mini pro model with slots, M2 slots for drives, PCI slots for adding and upgrading a system is still the best option. When I bought my 2019 MacBook Pro and spending over $3000 to make sure I had enough ram and storage to at least last me three years. A year and a half later I still need to purchase a Thunderbolt 3 external SSD drive to have enough storage and I use a EGPU box for better graphics support.
 
It's really meaningless for the most part as 99.9999999999999999999999% of computer users have no concern for upgrades, memory amounts, or storage capacity. For those who do modifying an M1 will eliminate the ability to have it repaired by Apple. Of course if one is just playing around then it will give them something to do and would be a feat of epic proportions to pull off without being an expert.
 
I'd have been far more impressed if Yang Changshun had succeeded in upgrading to 32GB RAM and/or 4TB SSD.
 
Regarding several comments about the M1 Macs only offering up to 16GB of RAM. The M1 stacks RAM directly on top of the MCM (multi-chip module) package, which offers a *much* faster connection between the chip and the RAM than a traditional DIMM slot. Side note - many of the M1's "snappiness" gains in terms of fast app launching come in part from this setup. The M1 uses a very specific form of memory called LPDDR4X, which is a very fast, ultra-low voltage variant used in smartphones and tablets - it's half the voltage of LPDDR4. Up until somewhat recently the largest module available for LPDDR4X was 8GB. Apple can only physically fit two RAM modules on the M1's MDM, so there's your 16GB. Recently 12GB modules have been introduced, so Apple could theoretically increase the memory limit to 24GB but that would likely be expensive on the component (and therefore the consumer) side for a relatively small bump in RAM.

A future M1X chip with more cores would realistically have a larger MDM size that would enable Apple to fit on more modules. Also, the computers these chips would be going into would likely be desktops or larger laptops with higher capacity batteries where the lower voltage offered by LPDDR4X isn't as necessary. I can't imagine that Apple isn't trying to figure out a way to offer expandable memory for a future M-series Mac Pro and maybe the iMac, though that may have to be through proprietary modules as opposed to standard DIMMs.
 
I thought the SSD couldn't be replaced in the post-T2 Mac era due to the security lockout. So are they saying that with the switch from Intel to M1, that security feature is removed? I guess there could be made easier somehow with the M1 performing the T2's former functions.
The nand flash chips themselves I believe were technically replaceable, assuming you are talented in soldering BGA. The SSD controller resided in the T2.

I could be wrong though.
 
My concern with some of the reports of really high ssd usage due to memory swapping is the longevity of that drive. I’d hate for the drive to fail in under 5 years and require an entirely new motherboard. Time will tell how big of an issue that will be.
You will probably get rid of the computer long before the SSD wears out. The average life span of the Samsung 850 EVO is 343 years.

Let's say you are above average and you only get 100 years out of it...you will still get rid of the computer before it wears out if for no other reason than you pass away before then.

I am sure that Apple's SSD are at least as good as the Samsung 850 EVO, which is now a generation old its self.
 
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This DIY upgrade is only interesting and newsworthy if we can get the M1 machines to at-least 32GB.

Apple's upgrade to 16GB is far too expensive, but potentially ruining a machine just to DIY an M1 from 8GB to 16GB is not worth it.
"Apple's upgrade to 16GB is far too expensive"

Compared to what?

I just went to the Microsoft Surface website, looking at the 13inch Surface Laptop, to go from 8gig to 16gig is a $200 bump. Over on Apples site, the 13inch Macbook Pro (M1) 8gig to 16gig bump is $180.

I would not buy any computer in 2021 without 16gig.
 
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You'd have to be Captain Insane-o to do this yourself.

I got excited there for a minute only to realize the days of me tinkering with Apple hardware are LONG past.
Based on a couple of your previous posts, it sounds like you have come to the “Acceptance” phase of the Five Stages of Grief. Congratulations! Many here will remain in Anger for the rest of their lives, which is not a healthy place to remain.
 
"Apple's upgrade to 16GB is far too expensive"

Compared to what?

I just went to the Microsoft Surface website, looking at the 13inch Surface Laptop, to go from 8gig to 16gig is a $200 bump. Over on Apples site, the 13inch Macbook Pro (M1) 8gig to 16gig bump is $180.

I would not buy any computer in 2021 without 16gig.
I guess the better question is - why is Apple selling computers in 2021 without 16 GB?

Microsoft charges Apple-like premiums for its Surface line. High-end competitors from Dell and HP (the XPS 13 and Spectre, which are excellent machines hardware-wise) the upgrade fee from 8 to 16GB is only about $80. Upgrading from 256 to 1TB SSD storage is $140 for HP and $225 for Dell vs $400 for Apple. These are, of course, more generic components that don't perform as well as what Apple puts in its machines, but for average consumers it's a negligible difference.

(And yes, my question about why Apple is still selling computers without 16 GB in 2021 applies to Microsoft, HP, and Dell too)
 
It's really meaningless for the most part as 99.9999999999999999999999% of computer users have no concern for upgrades, memory amounts, or storage capacity. For those who do modifying an M1 will eliminate the ability to have it repaired by Apple. Of course if one is just playing around then it will give them something to do and would be a feat of epic proportions to pull off without being an expert.

Yeah, I mean nobody goes to Best Buy or Crucial or Amazon to buy memory or storage upgrades. They're just selling fake empty boxes that collect dust.
 
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