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Looking like the M2 Pro is still a deal over the M4 but the M4 Pro is the best but the price increase of $100 on the Pro version kind of sucks. The M2 pro was $1299 and the new M4 Pro starts at $1399. I mean you are getting 8Gb more RAM but still.

I'll likely stick with my M2 Pro version since it literally was released last year.
 
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Apps/processes using "Apple AI" will probably help themselves generously to chew ram, thus it might be wise to compensate picking 24.... Believe the base model will cover it for a couple of years, and by the looks of it, the Mac Mini/Mini Pro series will cover everything I ever need by one iteration or another. Will get one of these.

Wish it kept the height from prev gen, but no biggie. The leaked shots had me worried for little while. Bottom placement of power button is great for beneath workdesk clamping. I think.
 
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The video for it is entertaining. I can replace my 2018 mini that I paid $1500 with 32gb/1tb with either a base Pro 24gb/1tb for $1439 or the regular M4 with 32gb/1tb for $1259 with discount (not even including apple card 5% back).
 
Didn't notice that. Maybe because you're in UK? Was the US price also decreased? In any case, that's likely to be due to the smaller chassis being cheaper to manufacture. I think it's very unlikely the MBP will see a reduction in base price. It may be that because the config options are different, some configs decrease while others increase. I don't know if it's on purpose (I wouldn't put it past them), but the changes in RAM options makes it difficult to compare apples to apples on the RAM upgrades.
Not sure about US prices, but I took a screenshot of the UK store page yesterday for comparison.

I’m sure you’re right - cheaper to produce being smaller design (though it does have an extra port), so probably just the £200 saving on the MBP.

So (presumably) £1699 for an M4 16/512 14” MBP, vs £799 for the same spec Mini.
 
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Apps/processes using "Apple AI" will probably help themselves generously to chew ram, thus it might be wise to compensate picking 24.... Believe the base model will cover it for a couple of years, and by the looks of it, the Mac Mini/Mini Pro series will cover everything I ever need by one iteration or another. Will get one of these.
I'm curious how people are expecting AI to be used. I may be wrong, but in my mind AI is mostly something you would use every now and then, sprinkled in between other use. Not something you would set the computer to be chugging at for hours. So, in the real world, are you that likely to be using AI in parallel with "normal" processes? Perhaps this will evolve over time, but I'm not convinced this is much of an issue. More RAM is better of course, but it's not like AI is just sitting there idling while hoarding your RAM. But, I may be wrong and I'm willing to learn.
 
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My M1 Max Mac Studio sounds a little less like a good buy anymore. But then again I bought it to replace a very aged 2014 Mac Mini when the M1 Mac Mini was too limited on RAM for my tastes.
 
Thunderbolt 5 provides twice the bandwidth of TB 4 (or more). So even with one less port much more bandwidth is available. New cables required.
Yeah but you’re going to need a very expensive hub/dongle to actually split Thunderbolt 5 out, and who knows if the Studio Display would play nice with that since it’s so picky.
 
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My M1 Max Mac Studio sounds a little less like a good buy anymore. But then again I bought it to replace a very aged 2014 Mac Mini when the M1 Mac Mini was too limited on RAM for my tastes.
Last week I purchased an M2 Max Mac Studio with 32/512 and it is still sitting here in the unopened box. I got it for $1799 on sale and was feeling good about it, I still pretty good about it. Costco has 90 day returns so I'll wait it out a bit and see some real world reviews but I'll probably stick with the Mac Studio since I'm coming from a 2018 Intel Mini and know that this thing will blow me away.
 
I'm curious how people are expecting AI to be used. I may be wrong, but in my mind AI is mostly something you would use every now and then, sprinkled in between other use. Not something you would set the computer to be chugging at for hours. So, in the real world, are you that likely to be using AI in parallel with "normal" processes? Perhaps this will evolve over time, but I'm not convinced this is much of an issue. More RAM is better of course, but it's not like AI is just sitting there idling while hoarding your RAM. But, I may be wrong and I'm willing to learn.
Application developers may very well find a.o. AI useful for expanding existing and developing new features. Sometimes they succeed being rational about it, and sometimes they suck. Resources. I don`t know how it will evolve, but Apple doubling the base memory without jacking up the price plus increasing bandwidth, should be a nice indicator of expectancy.

A mac with decent spec should do fine for 7-8 years, I give the base spec iteration 4-5 tops. A lot of things are going to happen with both OS and Apps, just not sure of how fast it will progress.
 
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I'm excited to be able to pick up a refurbished M2 pro at some point. Hope to see some deals, maybe for Black Friday.
 
The M2 Mac Mini can only support up to two maximum external displays, not 3. Only the M2 Pro can drive up to 3 external displays.
 
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Overdue, but finally rid of USB A, keeping a sufficient number of ports, at least for my requirements. Besides standardization of cables, a small but notable advantage would be one Yubikey or similar covering all devices, jacking up security. Should have done that quite some time ago....
 
There's no need to shop around here, buy the Mac mini. Nothing on the PC side can compete unless you're a serious gamer or have some other specialized needs.
 
I'm curious how people are expecting AI to be used. I may be wrong, but in my mind AI is mostly something you would use every now and then, sprinkled in between other use. Not something you would set the computer to be chugging at for hours. So, in the real world, are you that likely to be using AI in parallel with "normal" processes? Perhaps this will evolve over time, but I'm not convinced this is much of an issue. More RAM is better of course, but it's not like AI is just sitting there idling while hoarding your RAM. But, I may be wrong and I'm willing to learn.
I’m a photographer. There are very useful ai denoising tools. If I set those running on a large shoot then they can very much lock up the ram for the whole system if there is only, say 16gb of ram. That’s the computer rendered not useless, but certainly not optimal for concurrent tasks for hours at a time. It very much depends on what you’re using the ai for, as to how long the process takes or how much resources it uses.
 
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Last week I purchased an M2 Max Mac Studio with 32/512 and it is still sitting here in the unopened box. I got it for $1799 on sale and was feeling good about it, I still pretty good about it. Costco has 90 day returns so I'll wait it out a bit and see some real world reviews but I'll probably stick with the Mac Studio since I'm coming from a 2018 Intel Mini and know that this thing will blow me away.
But an M4 Mac Mini with 32/512 would run you $1,199. $600 is not nothing. Even a M4 Pro Mac Mini with 24/512 at $1,399 or a M4 Pro Mac Mini with 48/512 at $1,799 and no savings is more RAM and I would hazard the M4 Pro is faster than the M2 Max in single-core benchmarks and possibly on par in multi-core benchmarks, added to which most of us rarely run into multi-core use cases. Which is why for my RAM is so much more of a defining metric and why I opted for the Studio over the M1 Mini due to the Mini's RAM limitations at the time.
 
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The old Mini could fit two Minis in 1U of rack space.
Actually the old mini could fit 4 mini in a 1U shelf.
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If you have even highest end:

- 2012 mini i7 2.6GHz (4C/8T) / 16GB DDR3 / Intel HD 4000
- 2014 mini i7 3.0GHz (2C/4T) / 16GB LPDDR3 / Intel Iris 5100
- 2018 mini i7 3.6GHz (6C/12T) / 64 GB DDR4 / Intel HD 630…

Well even the lowest end M3 Mini looks juicy.
This upgrade is actually quite substantial, but folks do not really seem to be noticing. The new availability of 64 GB RAM is huge. MR said "The latest generation blurs the line between the ‌Mac mini‌ and ‌Mac Studio‌," which is misleading because the past generation already fully blurred the line between the ‌Mac Mini‌ and ‌Mac Studio‌.

This new Mac Mini jumps the line between the ‌Mac Mini‌ and ‌the Mac Studio. Clock speed, ray tracing and 64 GB RAM ‌will have a new Mini outperforming the Studio lower end for many tasks that fit under 64 GB RAM [until the M4 Studio is released]. Tasks that optimize using more RAM will remain Studio or MBP territory.

Edit: The availability of 64 GB RAM in Apple's low end desktop product the Mac Mini extends the low end product choices upward, and really makes me wonder what the M4 Studios will bring us. I very much look forward to seeing the coming M4 generations of Studios and Mac Pros.

Ah the overlapping featureset lore continues for yet another year.

For real though: is ray tracing on the Mac Mini M4 Pro really worth it as anything more than a development tool to prepare for the M4P MBP and Studio, etc?
 
What's the odds the 256GB SSD is the same speed as the 512GB SSD model? Or you think they cheaped out and put 1 NAND chip again?
 
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But an M4 Mac Mini with 32/512 would run you $1,199. $600 is not nothing. Even a M4 Pro Mac Mini with 24/512 at $1,399 or a M4 Pro Mac Mini with 48/512 at $1,799 and no savings is more RAM and I would hazard the M4 Pro is faster than the M2 Max in single-core benchmarks and possibly on par in multi-core benchmarks, added to which most of us rarely run into multi-core use cases. Which is why for my RAM is so much more of a defining metric and why I opted for the Studio over the M1 Mini due to the Mini's RAM limitations at the time.

What about the GPU in the M2 Max vs M4 Pro? It might not be ONLY about the RAM for bise.

- $1799 Costco deal Studio M2 Max = 12 Core CPU; 30 Core GPU; 32GB RAM
- $1799 Mac mini config M4 Pro = 14 Core CPU; 20 Core GPU; 48GB RAM.

So how much better is the new GPU at the same tasks? What’s the “architectural adjustment core count?”

Otherwise yes: at the rawest of levels that same $1799 gets more RAM and more CPU cores, but fewer GPU cores.

Actually the old mini could fit 4 mini in a 1U shelf.
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RIP. I guess now someone will be designing an 8x mini 2U rack for the new chassis design.
 
What about the GPU in the M2 Max vs M4 Pro? It might not be ONLY about the RAM for bise.

- $1799 Costco deal Studio M2 Max = 12 Core CPU; 30 Core GPU; 32GB RAM
- $1799 Mac mini config M4 Pro = 14 Core CPU; 20 Core GPU; 48GB RAM.

So how much better is the new GPU at the same tasks? What’s the “architectural adjustment core count?”

Otherwise yes: at the rawest of levels that same $1799 gets more RAM and more CPU cores, but fewer GPU cores.



RIP. I guess now someone will be designing an 8x mini 2U rack for the new chassis design.
For most users use cases, I would hazard that the benefits of the M4 Pro, even the standard lower M4 with 32GB RAM at $600 less than the M2 Max Studio, the GPU is not enough of a differentiator, as it likely is not a sufficient metric for 90+% if not even higher % of users.
 
Getting ready to trade in the M2 Mini! This is an incredible little device for a home server. The M2 was nice, but this is niiiiiice! 😉
 
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