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Lucas Curious

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Using a Samsung T7 in Mac on a port that supports both usb4 and thunderbolt 4, the read and write speeds are slower than advertised due to mixing the interfaces. Meanwhile the same drive can run at maximum speed in windows. Since the M2 Max Studio uses ONLY USB4 ports in the front, do those ports let the T7 run full speed as advertised on the drive?
 
Seems to me the t7 (I have a couple of t7 "shields") is a USB3.1 gen2 drive.
That means the maximum it will run (theoretically) is 1000MBps.

But one doesn't get that in "real-world" usage.
Mine will give me around 925MBps read speeds, and that's about "as good as you get" with USB3.1 gen2.

There are a few USB4 enclosures available now, just a few.
But they're expensive and you have to buy an nvme "bare drive" and "build it yourself".

Not sure of any USB4 "ready to use" drives out there yet. These will probably appear soon, but at a "pricing premium"...
 
Seems to me the t7 (I have a couple of t7 "shields") is a USB3.1 gen2 drive.
That means the maximum it will run (theoretically) is 1000MBps.

But one doesn't get that in "real-world" usage.
Mine will give me around 925MBps read speeds, and that's about "as good as you get" with USB3.1 gen2.

There are a few USB4 enclosures available now, just a few.
But they're expensive and you have to buy an nvme "bare drive" and "build it yourself".

Not sure of any USB4 "ready to use" drives out there yet. These will probably appear soon, but at a "pricing premium"...
ok thanks but when I test the t7 shield on my windows PC, I get hat full 1000 mb/s speed. On macbok pro I get 850 read and 350 write according to Blackmagic. timing it manually on Mac, I can get about 650 write speed when transferring files. reading about this somewhere it seems that the MacBook TB4 and USB4 cause some sort of limit for usb drives so I was wondering since the Mac Studio max has only USB4 ports in front, if those perform at full speed potential since its not a mix of TB4. would be nice if someone could test the actual read and write speeds on those because if they are faster than the studio max is better than the ultra for this feature.
 
ok thanks but when I test the t7 shield on my windows PC, I get hat full 1000 mb/s speed. On macbok pro I get 850 read and 350 write according to Blackmagic. timing it manually on Mac, I can get about 650 write speed when transferring files. reading about this somewhere it seems that the MacBook TB4 and USB4 cause some sort of limit for usb drives so I was wondering since the Mac Studio max has only USB4 ports in front, if those perform at full speed potential since its not a mix of TB4. would be nice if someone could test the actual read and write speeds on those because if they are faster than the studio max is better than the ultra for this feature.
Some Macs and some devices only connect at 5Gb/sec instead of 10Gb. One such device is the Samsung T5 on M1 Macs. If this is happening with your T7, then lower speeds would be expected.
 
Here's what I get with base M2 Max with a T7 which was formatted to APFS. Has about 230gb of pics on it. Back port and front port. (it's a 2TB T7)
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Curious considering the PC va the Mac Studio:

Does any of the Mac Studios have 1 controller for 2 ports front or rear? Similar to the 2016 MBP having 1 TB3 controller per 2 USB-C TB3 ports.

Same questions regarding the OPs PC?
 
Does any of the Mac Studios have 1 controller for 2 ports front or rear? Similar to the 2016 MBP having 1 TB3 controller per 2 USB-C TB3 ports.
No. That was the Intel "Titan Ridge" JHL7540 controller probably: one controller for two ports. The Apple Silicon TB4 controllers are on the SoC, and theres one for each port. 4x for the Pro/Max and 8x for the Ultra (but only the Mac Pro has all 8)
 
ok thanks but when I test the t7 shield on my windows PC, I get hat full 1000 mb/s speed. On macbok pro I get 850 read and 350 write according to Blackmagic. ...
Based on what I've seen in many threads, the Mac implementation of USB 3.1 gen 2 yields somewhat slower data transfer than the typical Windows/Intel speeds. Usually, though, the speeds are about 86-90% of the Windows speeds, like you are seeing for read, but not the severely lower 350 write you are seeing.
 
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The M1 Studio Max front ports were crippled because Apple only used one PCIe channel instead of two, thus limiting the speed to 8Gbps, not the 10Gbps advertised as USB3.1 gen2. I discovered this after much work and help from another poster. i am curious if the M2 Studio Max carried this inferior design over. I suspect they have. I will try to find the original post in this forum, as it explains how to find out. (It isnt easy).

This is the only case I have found where Apple came close to lying about their specs. (Technically all they say is "up to 10Gbps", which 8Gbps is up to.")
 
The M1 Studio Max front ports were crippled because Apple only used one PCIe channel instead of two, thus limiting the speed to 8Gbps, not the 10Gbps advertised as USB3.1 gen2. I discovered this after much work and help from another poster. i am curious if the M2 Studio Max carried this inferior design over. I suspect they have. I will try to find the original post in this forum, as it explains how to find out. (It isnt easy).

This is the only case I have found where Apple came close to lying about their specs. (Technically all they say is "up to 10Gbps", which 8Gbps is up to.")
this is the reason why I no longer buy 1st gen products form Apple. They got me good with the first Apple Watch. I think I'll buy the 3rd gen studio because its usually the 3rd product that ends up being refined.
 
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The T7 Shield 4TB drive does not get anywhere close to 1GB on my Mac Studio M2 Max:
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Formatted APFS - GUID partition.
 
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