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Regardless Digital trends is getting a bit too excited. :) Even by M3 a Max Quadro type chip in a laptop is unlikely. As efficient and small as N3 is, that’s asking a bit much. What is possible however is that the M3 Max itself will be 4 smaller interconnected dies.

N3 might let Apple collapse the "dual" into a single larger die. Then two of those would be "40 core worth". But yeah that still won't shrink something with a > 300W power budget down to something < 200W.

M1 has four targeted die configurations. Jade , Jade-chop , Jade2c , and Jade4c .

if M3 is down to three , then they may be looking at a different way to organize combos or collapse those last two into one.



The nice thing about doing it this way is that silicon fabrication is extremely expensive and slated to get worse. Producing smaller dies that can then be stitched together is often more economical than producing one massive die where if there’s a significant enough problem you have to throw the whole thing away.

the trade-off is that the chiplet/tile thing tends to consume more power than a monolithic. If first priority for Apple is chasing Perf/Watt they will mostly be looking for monolithic solutions where they can. And relatively expensive bleeding edge dense packaging where they had to go to tiles ( e.g., 2.5D-3D stacked on a custom interconnect tile with as smaller as possible microbumps. )

Also it gives the option for more variants of a single chip as you have the option to mix and match pieces like legos depending on the design. The downside is that on die is always the fastest most energy efficient way to communicate data. New packaging technology with new interconnects try to solve this problem and close the gap so it’s good enough that you don’t care anymore.

Good enough so that some vendors don't care anymore. I wouldn't be on Apple getting to point that they don't care. Folks in larger server product space don't care.

I suspect Intel cares too, but they are so far behind that is a deemed a secondary problem. They really don't have a choice to build at least some elsewhere due to capacity constraints.
 
Exactly. Take AMD names like ”Newcastle.” We never called it that. I never heard of that until I just googled it. It was just Clawhammer 130nm. Someone in marketing makes up these other code names that nobody in engineering other than the highest level manager has heard of.
To be fair, “clawhammer” is a more badass name than “newcastle”
 
I believe Apple is going to be hurt when say Taiwan is invaded and TSMC plant in Texas is up and running!
Yeah I think we’ll all have a lot more to worry about in that scenario.

Apple should work with TSMC to establish a facility here in the States dedicated to Apple chip fabrication...
The logistics of building chip fabs in the U.S. is much more trouble than “just throw money at it.” I think you’re not looking at the whole issue.
 
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The logistics of building chip fabs in the U.S. is much more trouble than “just throw money at it.” I think you’re not looking at the whole issue.

Yet TSMC already has a fab in the States, among other facilities, and has plans to open another in AZ; a US-based fab dedicated to Apple silicon should be a medium/long-term goal for Apple...
 
I believe Apple is going to be hurt when say Taiwan is invaded and TSMC plant in Texas is up and running!
Wouldn't matter much. Most of Apple's supply chain already goes through China. China forcefully taking control of Taiwan won't change much.

Yet TSMC already has a fab in the States, among other facilities, and has plans to open another in AZ; a US-based fab dedicated to Apple silicon should be a medium/long-term goal for Apple...
TSMC's upcoming AZ fab will produce 5nm chips and will begin production in 2024. In 2024, Apple will be using 3nm primarily and will begin transitioning to 2nm chips. Hence, TSMC's AZ fab is not for Apple.

All cutting-edge nodes are built in Taiwan based on deals between TSMC and the Taiwanese government.

In addition, TSMC is learning the hardway that American workers are far more spoiled than workers in Asia. https://www.eetasia.com/culture-clash-at-tsmcs-first-u-s-fab/
 
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