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Yeah, if you're keeping video files on the internal drive, 512gb would definitely come up short, although, I'd argue that 1tb might not be enough in that use case either.

I keep all of my docs, photos and videos on an external SSD so I've got around 285gb of available space on my 512gb M2 Mac Mini currently.
Yep, in my case, 1 TB was either too much or else too little. I had 1 TB on my M1 Mac mini, and had well over 750 GB left, because I moved my Photos Library to an external drive. However, if I put that library on the internal drive, 1 TB would not be enough. So, when I moved to the M4 Mac mini, I got a 512 GB internal drive, and got a larger external.
 
The one other thing I've come across in these forums that may be a meaningful difference for some people is that for high resolution HiDPI display settings, some of them are missing on the M4, vs. M4 Pro. For example, at least on some setups, 3200x1800 is available for the M4 Pro Mac mini, but not for the M4. This likely doesn't affect me though since I don't use resolution settings that high.
Yeah, I pointed it out past week in another thread

Yeah, if you're keeping video files on the internal drive, 512gb would definitely come up short, although, I'd argue that 1tb might not be enough in that use case either.

I keep all of my docs, photos and videos on an external SSD so I've got around 285gb of available space on my 512gb M2 Mac Mini currently.
Yeah, to each its own. Anyone needs or preferences are different. I personally think 1TB should be the minimum… but that’s just my personal opinion.
 
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OP - what did you end up getting. M4 w 32GB or M4 Pro 24GB? @Populus
Even tho I haven’t repurchased it yet (I’m waiting to see the M4 MBA, just in case there’s any surprise with a 12” form factor), I’m most certainly getting the M4 Mac mini with 32GB of RAM and 1TB of storage. I realised that I don’t really need the M4 Pro, and it got too hot for my taste, with the consequent fan noise. The M4 is cool, silent, and neat. Thanks to the 4P+6E cores, I have the right CPU power I need.

As for real gaming, I guess I’ll get a PS5 or PS5 Pro.

You can read a more in depth explanation on the previous page of this thread.
 
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Even tho I haven’t repurchased it yet (I’m waiting to see the M4 MBA, just in case there’s any surprise with a 12” form factor), I’m most certainly getting the M4 Mac mini with 32GB of RAM and 1TB of storage. I realised that I don’t really need the M4 Pro, and it got too hot for my taste, with the consequent fan noise. The M4 is cool, silent, and neat. Thanks to the 4P+6E cores, I have the right CPU power I need.

As for real gaming, I guess I’ll get a PS5 or PS5 Pro.

You can read a more in depth explanation on the previous page of this thread.

I ended up with M4 MBP base model, I did stress test with SWAP memory over 10GB and the system still runs fine and smooth, so I convinced myself it enough for me.

32GB will be much better choice for sure.
 
I ended up with M4 MBP base model, I did stress test with SWAP memory over 10GB and the system still runs fine and smooth, so I convinced myself it enough for me.

32GB will be much better choice for sure.
Yes, when I used the M4 Pro with 24GB of RAM, it was plenty for almost anything. Maybe I’ll get the M4 with 24GB instead of 32GB, I’m still not sure. I won’t personally get a 16GB system as that’s the new bare minimum and I don’t want to hit SWAP zone even if it’s not noticeable: the SSD has a limited lifespan.
 
Yes, when I used the M4 Pro with 24GB of RAM, it was plenty for almost anything. Maybe I’ll get the M4 with 24GB instead of 32GB, I’m still not sure. I won’t personally get a 16GB system as that’s the new bare minimum and I don’t want to hit SWAP zone even if it’s not noticeable: the SSD has a limited lifespan.

Personally I think the 24GB is a good choice which well balances the cost/performance and "future proof"

even today, from time to time, I stll thought I should choose 24GB...then I told myself if that RAM really matters in the future, I should take a new model.
 
Personally I think the 24GB is a good choice which well balances the cost/performance and "future proof"

even today, from time to time, I stll thought I should choose 24GB...then I told myself if that RAM really matters in the future, I should take a new model.
Really depends on the use case. For example, in my personal experience with multitasking of my business productivity applications and other stuff like mail, Safari, Chrome, and iMessage running +/- a bit of Photos:

8 GB - After extended use, swap file may be 1-3 GB, but overall system responsiveness is very good.
16 GB - After extended use, swap file may be up to 1 GB, and overall system responsive is excellent.
24 GB - Even after extended use, there is no swap file at all. 24 GB is overkill for my applications, even heavily multitasked.
 
Really depends on the use case. For example, in my personal experience with multitasking of my business productivity applications and other stuff like mail, Safari, Chrome, and iMessage running +/- a bit of Photos:

8 GB - After extended use, swap file may be 1-3 GB, but overall system responsiveness is very good.
16 GB - After extended use, swap file may be up to 1 GB, and overall system responsive is excellent.
24 GB - Even after extended use, there is no swap file at all. 24 GB is overkill for my applications, even heavily multitasked.
Yeah, that’s why I’m debating wether it is worth paying the extra 230€ for the 32GB. I wanted to get them because I didn’t have the option with the M4 Pro, but at the same time, maybe the M4 10core GPU requires less VRAM than the M4 Pro 16core GPU… so maybe, if 24GB was just enough for me on the M4 Pro, on a regular M4 24GB is more than enough. I haven’t decided it yet.
 
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Okay so... this requires a detailed explanation, because during the course of this weeks using both systems, an M4 and an M4 Pro, I've realized several facts that have changed my mind entirely. So this reply will work as a general update to the thread.

I've been really captivated by the monstrous raw power of the M4 Pro, both thanks to the all the reviews I've read and watched, as well as for my own benchmarks. A machine with a CPU performance of an M2 Ultra and a GPU performance of an M1 Max, on such a small and portable form factor, being smaller than an older Mac mini and at half the weight? Who wouldn't be captivated by it? I've been absolutely DELIGHTED. Performing 3D tests or playing AAA games at ultra settings and 60fps in the 4K native resolution of my new screen (yeah, I've used this jump from my old 2014 Mac mini to the new M4 Mac mini to replace my loyal and absolutely reliable 2008 Dell 24" WTF 2408 screen for a new, crisp 4K glossy screen @ 144Hz with VRR). Impressive. I was also considering spending more than 2 grand in a M4 Pro with 48GB of RAM and the 20GPU cores upgrade during that honeymoon, but luckily I came to my senses...

I decided then to buy a base model, an M4 with 256GB of storage and 16GB of RAM, and despite the fact that for my multitasking, the 16GB fall a bit short, and the 256GB are really close to unusable on a computer in 2025 (I need at least 1TB), this device has served it's purpose: No more and no less than showing me that I absolutely don't need the M4 Pro, and instead of spending 2.000€, I was fine spending way less on a well specced M4 Mac mini.

I started installing all the software I will use regularly, the same I had installed on the M4 Pro I bought at first, and I found it almost as fast as the M4 Pro with some differences. The first is that while the M4 Pro gets burning hot and starts blowing its fan at a really noticeable speed, generating considerably more noise than my previous Mac mini, which was dead silent, the M4 barely gets a bit warm, the fans, if they happen to -rarely- kick in, they just get a 10% speed increase, per iStat Menu info.

CPU performance:

The first task I tested was video compression/transcoding using different presets, all software based, not the hardware ones. I performed the same on both the M4 and the M4 Pro machine, using the same source file, the 4K@60fps version of the classic Big Buck Bunny file.

One using the HQ HEVC @4K preset, the M4 took 31 minutes, using all 10 CPU cores including the 6 efficiency ones. It was barely audible. Same file on the M4 Pro took 21 minutes to re-encode, just 10 less minutes, again using all 12 cores, and it became quite loud after a couple of minutes. The case was hotter, but not the hottest the M4 Pro has gotten during this days, because during demanding GPU tasks the case became really hot. Being in winter, with a relatively cold house, this had me a bit concerned, because summers here are quite warm (+35ºC).

Another Handbrake test, this time the Big Buck Bunny 4K video being "re-encoded" with the Fast 4K preset using the AV1 codec took 17 minutes to the base M4 Mac mini, with no perceivable noise and a slightly warm enclosure, whereas the M4 Pro did it in 14 minutes, again, getting hotter and louder.

This was already quite clarifying: If your tasks are CPU reliant, unless you need that multithreaded compute power, I wouldn't bother. I know some of you may be thinking "But Populus, Handbrake is not know by being well optimized for Mac", especially the new M4 chip family. And while I could agree, this test has been quite definitive in order to not to worry about the CPU performance of the regular M4, with one of the biggest jumps in single core performance of the Apple Silicon history.

I think many tasks aren't still as well optimized for 8 performance threads as they are for 4, so I'm fine with the 4 performance cores of the regular M4 which, bear with me, throttle way less than the M4 Pro Mac mini CPU cores. According to some tests, while the regular M4 throttles under sustained work down to stable 3.90GHz for p-cores and down to stable 2.80GHz for e-cores, the powerful M4 Pro throttles down to an irregular 3.40GHz for p-cores and stable 2.60GHz for the e-cores (this is without forcing the fans to run quicker and louder).

So, unless your software isn't heavily optimized to utilize all the 8 p-cores, or even all the 12 CPU cores, I don't think you will notice much difference with the M4's 10 core CPU, honestly. I'm not saying it won't be quicker, but definitely not worth for me, especially on this generation where the single core performance has been boosted so much.

GPU performance:

This is where the comparison gets tricky. Not because it is difficult to determine a clear winner (Spoiler: the M4 Pro is substantially more powerful GPU wise to nobody's surprise), but because we have to assess if the disadvantages of having so many GPU cores generating heat and noise, as well as the extra money of the M4 Pro, are worth it, especially on a device such as the Mac mini. I mean, honestly, if you really need the GPU prowess of the M4 generation but don't mind having a bigger, chunkier desktop computer on your desk, please wait a few months for the M4 Max Mac Studio. This is my humble advice. The M4 Pro sometimes seems to not be thought and designed for such heat-generating silicon, but rather for the little M4 brother. Don't get me wrong, it works very well as I'm going to detail in the following paragraph, and the copper heatsinks with double the fins make its work in keeping the M4 Pro from burning under intensive GPU+CPU tasks, but honestly, the power supply board is on the inner top of the Mini case. And the case gets really hot. I tried to place an aluminum dissipator onto it, and while it helped in keeping the Mini cooler for longer (for instance, instead of taking 5 minutes to reach maximum temperatures, it took 10 minutes), eventually it only managed to keep it one or two degrees cooler. I'm sure with proper thermal paste it could improve the cooling even further but... I didn't buy a Mac mini for this.

The most obvious test for GPU are games, so let's start with native and demanding games from the Mac App Store: Myst and Riven. Both Cyan games on their latest, remade versions (Myst 2021 and Riven 2024) and on the latest Unreal engine update. I purchased them both this holidays when they were discounted, and this is my experience with both on both machines: Both Myst and Riven run at 60fps at maximum settings on the M4 pro, as expected, even at 4K and enabling Ray Tracing on Myst (Riven doesn't have it implemented yet).

On the base M4 Mac mini the story is a bit different. Myst is a really enjoyable experience at 60fps with high settings, even with Metal FX disabled (I really don't like how it makes it look), as long as you play in 1080p and don't enable Ray Tracing. With Ray Tracing enabled, performance drops to 25-30fps and you have to lower quality quite a bit to maybe medium. As for Riven on the base M4... well, it is playable. But on the M4 Pro it is a really gorgeous experience, with 4K 60fps graphics and such impressive textures... On the base M4 you really have to tinker with Rive's settings, starting by using the 1080p resolution, or maybe a bit higher, and relying on AMD's supersampling that makes a good job. Still, don't expect to play Riven at 60fps without dropping the quality of the image/textures substantially. At 30fps it is quite fine.

Now, other games. All my Windows games running over a compatibility layer (Crossover, Heroic, Whisky) ran very well on the M4 Pro... as well as on my base M4. "Wait, what?" Well, the performance was not quite exactly the same, obviously with the more modern AAA games such as Control (Windows version) the M4 Pro was able to run them smoothly in High settings and Ultra textures with Ray Tracing enabled, while the M4 was only able to run it with Ray tracing disabled and at 30fps... in High-Ultra settings as well. Honestly, even tho the gameplay of the Ray Traced DX12 version running on the M4 Pro looks gorgeous, what really impressed me is how a base M4 SoC is capable of running Control in High settings at 30fps. That means that lowering a bit the quality, you could get a quite enjoyable experience -but don't, Control is being released soon on the App Store, and I'm sure it will be even more optimized for this chips-.

I'm not interested in AAA gaming on a Mac mini, because I'm planning on getting a PS5 Pro at some point, or maybe waiting a few years for the PS6, so I'm only interested in the Mac mini for older, more niche PC games that run perfectly on the M4 Mac. Not only that: I did an extensive test with other contemporary games and the base M4 excels as long as you run them at 1080p resolutions, and set the macOS resolution at 1080p in Settings > Screens to not hit the GPU with the extra work of re-escaling. One example is Scorn: a smooth experience at 60fps even with high settings. More demanding games such as Metro Last Light Redux run at just 30fps but honestly, I don't like that game, I used just for the sake of benchmarking. Games like Bioshock 2 remastered, Arkane's Prey, Beyond Blue, Sable, or Sifu, run at smooth 60fps on high settings. Damn, even The Callisto Protocol runs close to 60fps at highest settings as long as you play it in 1080p. Really impressive, especially if we take into account it runs over compatibility layers based on Wine.

Other more demanding games, such as the gorgeous A Plague Tale Innocence start showing the differences between the M4 Pro's 16 core GPU and the regular M4 10 core GPU. While playing it on the M4 Pro provides you an exceptional experience, with smooth 60fps graphics set at the maximum quality (@ 4K if I remember correctly, but don't quote me on that) and all the effects enabled, on the M4 you really need to lower the resolution to 1080p, disable some effects, and the game runs at just 40-50fps. But equally enjoyable IMO.

What I was really interested to test on this M4 and M4 Pro Mac minis, was emulation of older consoles. Of course, with consoles up to PS2 there won't be any difference due to the low requirements. But today I was testing the RPCS3 PS3 emulator, and it runs smoothly on the base M4. I really wanted to test other, more complex emulators such as CEMU, Ryujinx or Xenia (Xbox 360), but the setting is too complex to put them up and running before I return the machines. I need to look for the firmwares, the keys, and it is way too complex to set them up, although if someone wants to help me via DM, I could compare both machines running those emulators.

However, something tells me that emulator's developers will narrow down the optimizations to the base models, such as the M2 or the M4 SoCs, leaving the extra performance of the Pro models to what the operating system can manage to use. Yet another reason to stick with the base M4.

Other tests I've seen online about video editing show little performance gains between the M4 and M4 Pro, although I'm pretty sure our pal @waloshin can explain you better than me the differences between models in this regard. Basically, from what I've seen, you're perfectly capable of doing base video editing, even in 4K, with the base M4. Only when you start adding effects and stuff, you will notice the timeline to get frame drops (something that, from what I've been told, doesn't affect the final quality of the rendered video), and a moderately longer rendering time. Correct me if I'm wrong. Similarly for 3D modeling in software such as Blender, something I don't plan to do/learn in the short term. If you really do intensive 3D work anyways, will probably be interested on the Mac Studio.

RAM performance:

The base M4 Mac mini I've been testing is equipped with just 16GB of RAM, and while I haven't hit the red zone, or barely the yellow one, I haven't done RAM intensive tests on this machine to say 16GB are enough based on it. It will probably be enough for light users, but I multi-task a lot, have lots of tabs on different browsers, and want to future proof this purchase, that's why I'm not sticking to 16GB on my final machine, which, spoiler, won't be an M4 Pro Mac mini, but rather a regular M4 one.

On the M4 Pro however, I've been trying to push the boundaries of the 24GB of RAM and, while some games like RE2 bring up the RAM pressure to a considerable height, it barely hit the yellow zone. Only installing Parallels with Windows 11, which takes by default 6GB of RAM, and some Apple Arcade games open on macOS, and some browsing with tabs, and VLC playing a 4K video, and IINA playing another 4K video, was able to bring the memory to its knees hitting the yellow zone and affecting some games' performance. So now I'm not so sure I need the 32GB of RAM. Sure, in order to play with LLMs could be really useful, and if future Apple Intelligence features take more than the 2GB of RAM that currently take on macOS 15 Sequoia, and I multitask to the extent of having 3 or 4 desk spaces, each one running with different apps, and I want to virtualize other operating systems such as Windows 11 or Linux, then I think the extra 230€ of jumping from 24GB of RAM to 32GB could be worth it. Also, this is a possibility we don't have on the M4 Pro, so maybe I should take advantage of it, especially if I want to keep this machine to the end of its life (this is, the usual 7 years of macOS support plus the 2 extra years of security updates, that's 9 years in total).

TL;DR: After the hour I've spent writing this review/comparison, I'd really appreciate you taking time to read it. However, I understand it is a lot to read, so if you're in a hurry, here's my conclusion: CPU wise I've experienced small gains on the M4 Pro Mac mini compared to the base M4 Mac mini, not worth it IMO. GPU wise I've experienced more noticeable gains, and for people who use intensive 3D graphic intensive software, it may be worth the upgrade, but again, if you don't mind having a bigger computer sitting on your desk, I'd wait for the M4 Max Mac Studio because I feel the M4 Pro mini is a bit (just a bit, don't get angry at me M4 Pro mini users) thermally constrained, and being quite louder than the M4 Mac mini.

That's not to mention that the M4 Pro is, as you may already know, a bit heavier, and it gets quite hotter and louder. If power consumption is of your concern, I'm quite sure the M4 Pro power consumption is almost double, but I haven't had the chance to test it.

As for RAM and, if your workflow isn't relatively light or you like to multitask, I'd play it safe and go for the 24GB of RAM. Although I'm pretty sure the 16GB of memory on the base M4 Mac mini will be more than enough if you're on a budget and don't mind replacing this machine after a few years. But I haven't been able to shake from myself the feeling that 16GB of RAM in 2025 is the new 8GB of RAM. I don't want to trigger an argument here but... God... I can't imagine those who purchased 8GB Apple Silicon Macs in the last couple of years encouraged by the Apple loyal advocates on this forum...

Conclusion: After doing this test during the extended return period, which admittedly I've enjoyed as the geek that I am, something I deemed necessary given the money it costs and how long I plan on keeping it, my conclusion is that after returning this base M4 Mac mini and the base M4 Pro Mac mini, I'm ordering a customized M4 Mac mini with 1TB of storage (this is non-negotiable) and either 24 or 32GB of RAM. I still have to think a bit about it.
Wow, this is fantastic, and not what I was expecting.

The louder operation and lack of the Pro not totally destroying M4 in Handbrake makes me wonder if even with the I guess upgraded fan in the Pro, it's just a better case for the M4 (and 32GB is decent for a basic PC I guess)

Wonder if the 10 core pro chip wouldn't actually do much better!

It makes me think maybe the Studio makes more sense even though the CPU on paper isn't much better...but maybe it is because of cooling.

HMM. Very interesting.

I am wondering how well Windows games run on MacOS with crossover...it seems like a lot aren't supported according to the site, so I'm not sure I care that much about GPU on a Mac, but CPU is useful for Handbrake and tons of browser tabs.
 
Even tho I haven’t repurchased it yet (I’m waiting to see the M4 MBA, just in case there’s any surprise with a 12” form factor), I’m most certainly getting the M4 Mac mini with 32GB of RAM and 1TB of storage. I realised that I don’t really need the M4 Pro, and it got too hot for my taste, with the consequent fan noise. The M4 is cool, silent, and neat. Thanks to the 4P+6E cores, I have the right CPU power I need.

As for real gaming, I guess I’ll get a PS5 or PS5 Pro.

You can read a more in depth explanation on the previous page of this thread.
If I got a base M4 I think that's exactly the config I'd get.

I'd love more RAM and storage, but they're okay.

Toyed with an Air too, so I could use it as a notebook if I need to. I'd guess Handbrake and things like that would throttle it though, with no fan! And the maybe the MBP, and then...
 
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If I got a base M4 I think that's exactly the config I'd get.

I'd love more RAM and storage, but they're okay.

Toyed with an Air too, so I could use it as a notebook if I need to. I'd guess Handbrake and things like that would throttle it though, with no fan! And the maybe the MBP, and then...
Nah, the Mac mini is the best machine for my needs
 
By the way, I don’t know if I will regret it or not, but I’ve decided to wait 6 months for the M5 Mac mini.

I know, I know, tariffs and inflation could make the next generation M5 Mac mini more expensive but… I’ve decided to take the risk. Also, that way I can see how’s the future of macOS and iPadOS on the next WWDC. And make a more informed decision
 
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You may be waiting a lot longer than 6 months for the M5 Mac Mini, in fact I'd put money against you seeing it at all this year. Or maybe even next year. Remember, there wasn't a M3 version of the mini. And the Apple Studio Display is still being sold for an astronomical price, while still using Thunderbolt 3 connectors. I don't think Apple has any incentive to upgrade this.

For what it's worth, I got a M4 512, but returned it to Costco when its wired and wireless connections both died with less than 10 mps. I ended up buying a refurbished M4 Pro from Apple, 24 and 1GB.

No noise whatsoever, and the heat is barely there. The most intensive thing I do is music production with a RME interface, and it's amazing fast and flawless. And my external OWC drive at 40 GB is great!

The wireless connection on the M4 units is terrible though. I have my unit vertical, to max out the antenna which Apple put on the bottom of the unit. It shows 5 networks available to connect. My 10 year old MacBook Pro, when placed in the same spot, shows 17 available networks! I called Apple, and they basically said "yeah, it sucks but it is what it is". More ******ifiation from Apple IMHO. As far as wireless goes, M4 buyers are the beta testers.

So wired ethernet all the way for me. No problem there. So far...
 
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I don't blame the OP for waiting, but six months for the M5 mini seems... optimistic?

Not to get too off-topic but I'm sure Apple is doing everything they can to navigate through the current turbulence and deliver new product as close to typical timelines (and typical pricing!) as possible. If things were more normal everybody would feel better no doubt.

The next WWDC should be interesting.
 
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Yeah. When I look at this site’s buyers guide, the average time for an upgrade is ~700 days. Not saying it will be that long but I dont think its around the corner
 
Yeah. When I look at this site’s buyers guide, the average time for an upgrade is ~700 days. Not saying it will be that long but I dont think its around the corner
The regular M5 is reportedly already in production, while the M5 Pro should start production this summer. I still believe both chips will be readily available for the October MacBook Pro refresh. We’ll see.

Remember, there wasn't a M3 version of the mini

Yeah but we all know what happened to the M3. It was an atypical release with low yields at the moment. A limited production only for Apple. And they moved away from the M3 as soon as they could.

I think the M5, being based on a mature process like the 3nm one, will be much better in terms of production. It is even being considered for Apple servers and Apple Vision Pro.
 
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