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I shared nothing at all about “unusable”- still using the ULTRA Mac every day. It seems as fast and as capable as the first day I used it.

And “most people” CAN readily stretch the time they purchase by continuing to use a Mac they already own to “get work done now”- certainly easy to carry on for only up to 6 more months to save a few thousand to get a generally-superior chip.

As an ULTRA owner myself, I learned my lesson. If next gen MAX is only 6 months away, WAIT for generally more power for much less cost. That should be remarkably easy to understand.

And I’m simply sharing an objective consumer opinion- my own- which is free to be whatever I want it to be. As a consumer, I want lasting value… even more so if I pay way up for ULTRA.

If- as offered- Apple flipped the schedule to ULTRA first, MAX & PRO as is and BASE last, an ULTRA buyer probably gets at least double the time of perceiving they own most powerful available MAC… which is THE headline marketing line for ULTRA.

As is, ULTRA dragging in last undermines a prime reason to pay the hefty premium. A consumer can wait up to 6 months for next MAX and then they probably get that SAME psychological benefit until the NEXT MAX is released (since ULTRA doesn’t seem to be on an annual schedule too).

Speaking for myself, I don’t buy ULTRA again under these conditions. However a simple flip of the release schedule- which Apple could do- addresses this issue… so that the “most powerful Mac” gets to be that for towards at least 1 year or longer vs. only up to about 6 months. Such a move can be a win for Apple too by “pulling up” those who now wait for MAX and pay about half the price (and probably less profit to Apple).

Those who wait for “cheapest” would then be the ones up against the hop to the next gen M release… so some of them may rationalize at least PRO if not MAX instead of BASE vs waiting for BASE… thus more revenue and presumably profit for Apple. Apple likes maximum profit.
 
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I checked this morning and both the M1 Max MacBook Pro (64GB & 4TB SSD) and the M1 Ultra Mac Studio (128GB & 8TB SSD) booted up and ran just fine and as fast as when they were new. Once the "real" testing numbers are out in the next month or so, I can make a fact based purchase decision.

I am looking seriously at the 16" M4 Max MacBook Pro (128GB Ram & 8TB SSD) as a replacement for both M1 devices as I have a stand for it that would allow the laptop to drive both Studio Displays in the office.
 
"The fastest CPU in the Geekbench database"

Two things :
1. The fastest chip on Earth is in a LAPTOP
2. ...UNPLUGGED !

🤯

Mac Studio owners right now.

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I shared nothing at all about “unusable”- still using the ULTRA Mac every day. It seems as fast and as capable as the first day I used it.

And “most people” CAN readily stretch the time they purchase by continuing to use a Mac they already own to “get work done now”- certainly easy to carry on for only up to 6 more months to save a few thousand to get a generally-superior chip.

As an ULTRA owner myself, I learned my lesson. If next gen MAX is only 6 months away, WAIT for generally more power for much less cost. That should be remarkably easy to understand.

And I’m simply sharing an objective consumer opinion- my own- which is free to be whatever I want it to be. As a consumer, I want lasting value… even more so if I pay way up for ULTRA.

If- as offered- Apple flipped the schedule to ULTRA first, MAX & PRO as is and BASE last, an ULTRA buyer probably gets at least double the time of perceiving they own most powerful available MAC… which is THE headline marketing line for ULTRA.

As is, ULTRA dragging in last undermines a prime reason to pay the hefty premium. A consumer can wait up to 6 months for next MAX and then they probably get that SAME psychological benefit until the NEXT MAX is released (since ULTRA doesn’t seem to be on an annual schedule too).

Speaking for myself, I don’t buy ULTRA again under these conditions. However a simple flip of the release schedule- which Apple could do- addresses this issue… so that the “most powerful Mac” gets to be that for towards at least 1 year or longer vs. only up to about 6 months. Such a move can be a win for Apple too by “pulling up” those who now wait for MAX and pay about half the price (and probably less profit to Apple).

Those who wait for “cheapest” would then be the ones up against the hop to the next gen M release… so some of them may rationalize at least PRO if not MAX instead of BASE vs waiting for BASE… thus more revenue and presumably profit for Apple. Apple likes maximum profit.
I honestly don't know why people are pushing back on this. People would be FURIOUS if lets say an NVIDIA 5090 was released for say $1,700 (I have three Ultra studios, most expensive one was $7,000), then 6 months later a 5090 Super was released and it was only $1,100 and was better in some ways.

The counter argument of "your equipment doesn't become slow" is not really a good one IMO. Of course it doesn't, but that doesn't mean we cannot be upset that a MUCH MUCH cheaper option 6 months later can match or in some cases beat the TOP END spec systems.

Apple's attitude with the desktop lineup since the 2013 trash can Mac Pro is why they see such low sales on it. I despise Windows, but imagine the type of power I can get from a custom built Windows PC for $7,000! I payed for the Ultra Studio and it was a premium, then 6 months later it became a disappointment.

I am honestly disappointed with tech right now. I actively despise Windows. So for me there is no alternative to macOS that has NATIVE support for all the apps I use. I don't want to deal with WINE and set up Linux and deal with unsupported software.
 
I shared nothing at all about “unusable”- still using the ULTRA Mac every day. It seems as fast and as capable as the first day I used it.
One of the selling points for the Ultra is the extra memory options that only come with the Ultra. It's a bit of a game that Apple seems to be playing, you need to buy the top processor to get the top RAM. OTOH, the upping of with processor choice also reduces the number of SKU's. Also OTOH, 64GB with the M4 Pro is only available on the Mini which is less expensive than the MBP for a given configuration.

From my understanding the Geekbench tests are set up to run on pretty much any hardware so they don't necessarily show what happens when RAM is getting max'ed out.
 
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Speed is nothing without control.

What I am trying to say here is that these 3 icons of Apples Brand Core are way more important:

security, reliability and privacy. Mostly a software issue nowadays. We are all busy bugging out...

But. You can't tell the fanboys. 👀
Apple seems to be doing well in those areas as well. Security is good. Apple’s efforts to maintain privacy with their implementation of AI looks like they have done their homework and are putting in significant work to keep things private. Reliability is about like it has been for decades. There are bugs of course, but not a lot more than most years. Those who claim that previous OSs were bug free have some rosy glasses on.
 
Apple seems to be doing well in those areas as well. Security is good. Apple’s efforts to maintain privacy with their implementation of AI looks like they have done their homework and are putting in significant work to keep things private. Reliability is about like it has been for decades. There are bugs of course, but not a lot more than most years. Those who claim that previous OSs were bug free have some rosy glasses on.
Fully agree with this. Although some recent macOS releases had stability and performance issues, I've noticed almost none since Ventura. This is possibly due to macOS versions becoming ever more incremental updates, but compared to versions like Lion and Catalina, I'd say we are in a good spot right now.
 
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Remember the M1 and M2 Pro and Max had the same number of CPU cores and same performance. It was mainly the GPU that differentiated them.
You're right, my memory is short. I was thinking of M3 where they kind of gimped the M3 Pro and opened up a CPU gap between the Pro and Max.

Yes, the Max is back to it's (brief) historical norm of being basically a GPU enhancement over the Pro.

In any event, these new chips looks really good. A 14-inch M4 Pro sounds like a dream machine to me.
 
I take a regular look and it IS the fastest (consumer grade) CPU. By far.
I'm not seeing this. Can you share the specific comparisons you're looking at? Asking as a genuine question in case my intent is misunderstood, as it's possible I am not adept at using the site for search, sorting, or filtering on their site. For example, I'm seeing some i9 chips that outperform the M3 Max stats I'm seeing, including this: https://browser.geekbench.com/v6/cpu/compare/6205190?baseline=6205190

Not saying this isn't impressive, and even without checking, I'm guessing there's no way they compete on power consumption, among other concerns. :)

In any case, I was just pointing out that the paraphrase I quoted is not an accurate reflection of the more specific claim that MR was making in their original post.
 
I'm not seeing this. Can you share the specific comparisons you're looking at? Asking as a genuine question in case my intent is misunderstood, as it's possible I am not adept at using the site for search, sorting, or filtering on their site. For example, I'm seeing some i9 chips that outperform the M3 Max stats I'm seeing, including this: https://browser.geekbench.com/v6/cpu/compare/6205190?baseline=6205190

Not saying this isn't impressive, and even without checking, I'm guessing there's no way they compete on power consumption, among other concerns. :)

In any case, I was just pointing out that the paraphrase I quoted is not an accurate reflection of the more specific claim that MR was making in their original post.
Yeah, and 622W vs 78W consumption when stressed. Com´on.
 
It comes down to who the machine is aimed at. If you’re buying an ultra presumably time is money like a production work house or you have money to burn. In a work environment it will pay for itself in those six months easy and then you buy the next thing to stay current.

If you’re a regular home user and skint yourself to buy an ultra just because it’s the best then yes that’s a bad purchasing decision.
Naw not if you care about longevity and can get a great price from your M3 which I did. Im getting there m4 max with 64gb and a 2 Tb storage. Was it worth it? To me yes. I can now have one machine to do all my stuff. gaming included. I spent 2K to upgrade which is a lot of money but I feel its worth it and I can last with 4 years on this one the M3 wasn't a worthy jump for me from m1.
 
I'm not seeing this. Can you share the specific comparisons you're looking at? Asking as a genuine question in case my intent is misunderstood, as it's possible I am not adept at using the site for search, sorting, or filtering on their site. For example, I'm seeing some i9 chips that outperform the M3 Max stats I'm seeing, including this: https://browser.geekbench.com/v6/cpu/compare/6205190?baseline=6205190

Not saying this isn't impressive, and even without checking, I'm guessing there's no way they compete on power consumption, among other concerns. :)

In any case, I was just pointing out that the paraphrase I quoted is not an accurate reflection of the more specific claim that MR was making in their original post.

I trust these meta scores much more than individual scores. I've seen some ridiculous individual Geekbench scores in the past.
 
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I trust these meta scores
Fair, but unless I'm missing something, I don't see any M4 variants on any of those pages; and the i9-13900KS is still higher on both single- and multi-core benchmarks for the best Apple processors I do see.

Again, not disputing that the M4 is good, just going back to the what MR meant with their statement. :)
 
Fair, but unless I'm missing something, I don't see any M4 variants on any of those pages; and the i9-13900KS is still higher on both single- and multi-core benchmarks for the best Apple processors I do see.

Again, not disputing that the M4 is good, just going back to the what MR meant with their statement. :)
M4 Max, so far, seems to be 4,000 in single-core when the best processor in PCs is 3,100.

21,700 in multi-core for PCs and above 26,000 for M4 Max.
 
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The real and only question is: what do you have? And what compels you to upgrade to this?

From what I’ve been reading—it isn’t that the chip isn’t living up to the hype. It is that good. It’s more what are the practical differences vs the capable ones? Are you going to notice it with what you do on a daily basis?
 
Seems like the more expensive computers should get the new chips first, then they work their way down to the less expensive models. Why not release the M4 Pro, Max, and Ultra first, then the normal M4?

Doing it this way it seems like the less expensive models are going to keep leapfrogging the more expensive ones. I know there are other things that make them more expensive, but it just seems like bad marketing to have your most expensive models with the oldest processors.
Intel and AMD do the same thing. So probably just following industry conventions.
 
these are my m4 max MacBook Pro 14 cores scores, pretty low I think:
 

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