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Right there is the oled factor for you, makes total sense. As for the battery, I have have heard they refuse to service devices that are still eligible saying that don't have replacement devices anymore... so they don't really have too, at least not past 5 years from end of sales which I guess will be in 2027.

That's without AppleCare+. With AC+, I believe Apple either has to provide a similar device if the exact model is not available or a reimbursement.
 
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So I’m pretty sure the jump from my 8GB M4 to my 12gb M5 has offered zero ram benefits in my usage. I’m seeing just as many Safari tab reloads as before. I run anywhere from 15-25 tabs open at any given time.

The overall experience is slightly faster and smoother on the M5. I’ve also had wifi7 routers and 1/1Gbit fiber for over a year now, so my network performance is undoubtedly better than on my M4, but as far as memory, I don’t believe 12gb did much for me. I play games as well and that wipes out my memory even though I swipe-close the games when I’m done with them.

Wondering if I need to upgrade to a 16GB M5 or if I’d be in the exact same boat there too.
 
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So I’m pretty sure the jump from my 8GB M4 to my 12gb M5 has offered zero ram benefits in my usage. I’m seeing just as many Safari tab reloads as before. I run anywhere from 15-25 tabs open at any given time.

The overall experience is slightly faster and smoother on the M5. I’ve also had wifi7 routers and 1/1Gbit fiber for over a year now, so my network performance is undoubtedly better than on my M4, but as far as memory, I don’t believe 12gb did much for me. I play games as well and that wipes out my memory even though I swipe-close the games when I’m done with them.

Wondering if I need to upgrade to a 16GB M5 or if I’d be in the exact same boat there too.

Interesting. I have been on the fence going from m4 8gb to the 12gb base and you may have just saved me money.
 
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I think what we are all really wanting is Safari to have a “protected” reserve that cannot get stomped on by anything else, thus stopping the page reloads. Without that I think we’d actually need 24gb-32gb of ram to never see page reloads. I know a lot about how memory caching works in Windows and Linux and Apple is doing what it can with so little ram in its devices. Until we see massive amounts of ram (24gb-32gb) we get to deal with page reloads - again I run a lot of open tabs because I’ve got a lot going on at any given time. Others may not need the extra memory to stop the reloads as their usage is different. Blanket statements don’t make sense here.
 
I think what we are all really wanting is Safari to have a “protected” reserve that cannot get stomped on by anything else, thus stopping the page reloads. Without that I think we’d actually need 24gb-32gb of ram to never see page reloads. I know a lot about how memory caching works in Windows and Linux and Apple is doing what it can with so little ram in its devices. Until we see massive amounts of ram (24gb-32gb) we get to deal with page reloads - again I run a lot of open tabs because I’ve got a lot going on at any given time. Others may not need the extra memory to stop the reloads as their usage is different. Blanket statements don’t make sense here.
Even just having an option to stop specific tabs from refreshing/sleeping would be so useful.
 
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So I’m pretty sure the jump from my 8GB M4 to my 12gb M5 has offered zero ram benefits in my usage. I’m seeing just as many Safari tab reloads as before. I run anywhere from 15-25 tabs open at any given time.

The overall experience is slightly faster and smoother on the M5. I’ve also had wifi7 routers and 1/1Gbit fiber for over a year now, so my network performance is undoubtedly better than on my M4, but as far as memory, I don’t believe 12gb did much for me. I play games as well and that wipes out my memory even though I swipe-close the games when I’m done with them.

Wondering if I need to upgrade to a 16GB M5 or if I’d be in the exact same boat there too.

I’ve felt this way about the 8GB to 12GB RAM improvement on my iPhone 15PM to 17PM upgrade too. I haven’t seemed to notice much improvement on refreshing.
 
Interesting. I have been on the fence going from m4 8gb to the 12gb base and you may have just saved me money.
I am going to pick up my M5 12GB right now. Will be comparing it to my 16GB M1 and my 8GB M4. I have 14 days to decide if I keep it. Will be reporting my results.
 
I think what we are all really wanting is Safari to have a “protected” reserve that cannot get stomped on by anything else, thus stopping the page reloads. Without that I think we’d actually need 24gb-32gb of ram to never see page reloads. I know a lot about how memory caching works in Windows and Linux and Apple is doing what it can with so little ram in its devices. Until we see massive amounts of ram (24gb-32gb) we get to deal with page reloads - again I run a lot of open tabs because I’ve got a lot going on at any given time. Others may not need the extra memory to stop the reloads as their usage is different. Blanket statements don’t make sense here.
That's what you have on Samsung tablets (not by default but you can enable it). Wish Apple gave us the same level of control...
 
Here’s my problem. My typical use case involves me working in Lightroom, and I’ll periodically take a break to go check stocks, read stuff in Safari, glance at Facebook, etc. Sometimes when I return to Lightroom, the app has apparently been purged from memory, as it “restarts” (splash screen appears). The issue with this is that some settings (specifically of concern to me, the option to hide rejected photos) are reverted when this happens, and it takes me a bit of time to set it back to how I want it, then find my way back to whatever image I was working on before.

It’s quite frustrating, and I was all set to go in tomorrow and trade in my M4 for an M5, thinking that the additional RAM would stop this from happening.

However, what’s confusing to me is that if I intentionally TRY to run out of memory by launching a bunch of apps, and opening a bunch of Safari tabs, I usually cannot prompt this purging of Lightroom to occur. IOW, it happens seemingly at random, sometimes if I just go into Safari and read something for a few minutes, but even under artificial torture test conditions, I struggle to replicate it.

This has me wondering if the extra 4tb would even help me here, or if maybe Lightroom is re-launching for some unrelated reason.
 
Max tech video is up. He says in his opinion it’s not worth it if you go from m4 to m5.
Most people say it's not worth to update from one generation to the next, and that's generally true, unless... you want to correct a mistake you made with your previous purchase (no cellular, but you realize you wanted it, not enough storage, but you realize you need more, not enough RAM but you realize there are too many reloads for your liking etc.) or if the battery is in a bad condition (unlikely after 1/1.5 years) or because the new model has some game changing (for you) feature, like a redesign (like from 2017 to 2018 or even from 2022 to 2024). If the new features of the M5 (faster charging, support for high refresh displays, AI engines) are game changing is debatable, but the answer is probably no for the vast majority of M4 users. I would say the main reason for M4 users to upgrade is if they are not happy with their current devices (in terms of storage, RAM, battery etc.). CPU (or even GPU) performance is unlikely to be a reason, but there are always niche cases.
 
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