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Apple really needs to rethink their naming scheme and make it more consistent throughout all products. A Pro device should always have a Pro chip, that’s the whole point, isn’t it? I get that “Pro” is mostly marketing by Apple, but seriously, at least stick to it. They’re doing the same thing with the iPad Air. “Air” used to mean the thinnest and lightest model, yet they released the M4 iPad Pro, which is actually thinner than the Air.

In Apple's naming. pro doesn't mean it's a computer designed for professionals.

Instead, it's used by marketing to indicate a higher level computer model.

Apple might as well name them "ok", "good", "better" and "best" but that will not sell computers.
 
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In day to day use, you're not going to see much of a difference between the M4 and the M5 unless you're doing something that maxes out the chip like video editing or 3D rendering. Even then, it's a modest improvement.
Many of the video editing benchmarks I am seeing are showing the M5 at least 25% faster than M4. I wouldn't sneeze at 25%. Anything that can take advantage of the neural/ml improvements... I have not seen benchmarks for it yet, but if this improves performance of Machine Learning powered tools like Magic Mask in DaVinci Resolve and Magnetic Mask in Final Cut by 5x, this isn't modest, it will be a breakthrough.
 
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In day to day use, you're not going to see much of a difference between the M4 and the M5 unless you're doing something that maxes out the chip like video editing or 3D rendering. Even then, it's a modest improvement.

A ~70% boost in rendering speed is hardly "modest". It's huge. If the scaling holds for the Max chips, that would put an M5 Max somewhere between a desktop 4080 and 5080 in rendering performance. For some people (myself included) the M5 generation is a really big deal.
 
A ~70% boost in rendering speed is hardly "modest". It's huge. If the scaling holds for the Max chips, that would put an M5 Max somewhere between a desktop 4080 and 5080 in rendering performance. For some people (myself included) the M5 generation is a really big deal.
YES. I just hope they don't drag out updating the Mac Studio and give it to us at the same time as the M5 Max MBP. I'd very much rather get a powerful desktop this go around and keep my 14" M1 Max for on the go for a couple more years.
 
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I know it's still WiFi 6E, but have the network speeds increased at all? I've got a 5Gbps connection at home now with a WiFi 7 router and am really disappointed with the lack of WiFi 7 in this machine. Processing power's fine, but I want my next laptop to do better than a 1200Mbps transmit rate, both for internet and file transfers between my laptop and NAS.
 
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Apple really needs to rethink their naming scheme and make it more consistent throughout all products. A Pro device should always have a Pro chip, that’s the whole point, isn’t it? I get that “Pro” is mostly marketing by Apple, but seriously, at least stick to it. They’re doing the same thing with the iPad Air. “Air” used to mean the thinnest and lightest model, yet they released the M4 iPad Pro, which is actually thinner than the Air.

There was always a "cheaper" Pro model with smaller screen around ~1400, since like 2008. It usually gets updated before the other ones do too, with base CPU and base SSD. It also sometimes sticks around for longer even if its an outdated bodystyle, like the 2015 13"

This model is intended for students and for enterprise that buy 500 of them at once
 
I know it's still WiFi 6E, but have the network speeds increased at all? I've got a 5Gbps connection at home now with a WiFi 7 router and am really disappointed with the lack of WiFi 7 in this machine. Processing power's fine, but I want my next laptop to do better than a 1200Mbps transmit rate, both for internet and file transfers between my laptop and NAS.
Isn't 6E @ 160Mhz 2.4Gbps?
 
I don't know if it's time to finally retire the 14" M1 MBP base. Seems to be hanging in there well enough.

Hard to justify.
I'm right there with you, my M1-Pro 16" is still doing fine and since I now have an M4-Pro work laptop I may not need to upgrade until the M10. I can't even complain about the battery life after four years of use.
 
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I don't know if it's time to finally retire the 14" M1 MBP base. Seems to be hanging in there well enough.

Hard to justify.
Yeah, I have an M2 Air and I keep getting tempted to upgrade to one of these faster machines until I ask the question -- why? That's where it all falls apart since I can do everything I want fine on the M2 Air.
 
I'm right there with you, my M1-Pro 16" is still doing fine and since I now have an M4-Pro work laptop I may not need to upgrade until the M10. I can't even complain about the battery life after four years of use.
same here with an M1 Max. I use it every single day although not really using it for heavy workloads anymore as I send those to the PC to churn the genAI on [maybe to be replaced with an M5 Studio Ultra .......].
 
In Apple's naming. pro doesn't mean it's a computer designed for professionals.

Instead, it's used by marketing to indicate a higher level computer model.

Apple might as well name them "ok", "good", "better" and "best" but that will not sell computers.
I remember that Apple used to have three tiers of configuration for its laptops, and they labelled them "Good", "Better" and "Best" - but those labels only ever appeared on the ordering pages before customization.
 
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