Mac and iOS Writing App 'Ulysses' Transitions to Subscription Model

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    Ulysses, the company behind the popular Ulysses writing apps for Mac, iPhone, and iPad, today announced that it is transitioning to a subscription model going forward.

    Starting today, Ulysses will be priced at $4.99 per month or $39.99 per year, with a subscription plan unlocking Ulysses for use on all devices. Ulysses is also offering a student plan with six months of access for $10.99, and there are now two-week free trials available.

    With a subscription model, Ulysses says the company will be able to do steady, small releases more often, focusing more on the needs of the user base rather than aiming for big updates to lure in new customers.
    To encourage existing customers to switch over to the new subscription model, Ulysses is offering a permanent life-long discount on the yearly plan, dropping the price from $40 per year to $30 per year (50% off a monthly subscription).

    Customers who recently purchased Ulysses for Mac can get up to 12 months of free use, while customers who have purchased the app on an iOS device can get up to six months of free use based on grace periods calculated from the date of purchase. Ulysses plans to inform customers about the offers from within the app.

    The single-purchase versions of Ulysses have been removed from sale but will remain functional. The apps are updated for High Sierra and iOS 11, but going forward, new features will only be added to the subscription versions of the apps.

    Ulysses for Mac can be downloaded from the Mac App Store for free. [Direct Link]

    Ulysses for iOS can be downloaded from the App Store for free. [Direct Link]

    Article Link: Mac and iOS Writing App 'Ulysses' Transitions to Subscription Model
     
  2. Dilster3k macrumors 6502a

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    Subscriptions suck, but the devs gotta eat.

    Take your boo-hoo's elsewhere people, if I were to create an application today I too would follow a similar model.
     
  3. Sheza macrumors 65816

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    Note that they're still on SetApp, and the SetApp version will now include the iOS version.
     
  4. kissmo macrumors 6502a

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    It's insane how many companies move to this model.
    For sure they do this because it's worth, no matter how many haters are there.

    I am not a big fan of the subscription model - it's worse than paying gas or electricity monthly, just a way to lower your income by subscribing to apps that you may not need fully.

    I guess at the end of the day, when all apps will be subscription based, people will really limit their spendings to what they need, maybe indulge in a 1-2 apps and that's it.

    Which means - less bloatware or millions of apps on a Mac.

    May the force of subscription be with them.
     
  5. adamjackson, Aug 10, 2017 at 11:01 AM
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    I own Pixelmator, Ulysses, 1 Password, DaisyDisk, AppZapper, Onyx, a better finder rename, Cyberduck, Transmission, Deliveries, iStat Menus, Img.urls, MacTracker, MarsEdit, Parallels, Reeder, Sequence, Skitch, Omni (focus, graffle), Tweetbot among dozens of other Mac apps.

    I use some of these apps once a month and some I use once a week. I would prefer to pay $250 a year for all of them than $5 per month for each of these. An annual $5-$50 for major improvements to the app is worth it to me on these applications I rely on for some of my tasks.

    I open Ulysses on a monthly basis when I'm working on something long-form that will eventually go into MS Word and be shared with colleagues in .docx format w/ fancy graphs. But the long-form writing, I'll do it in Ulysses. At $5 a month, that means I'm spending $5 per document to draft out a long-form idea that will be edited elsewhere. If I didn't already own it, I wouldn't subscribe to that model. I don't use Ulysses every day so my subscription isn't spread out in any meaningful way. It uses my iCloud drive for syncing and I've never emailed the company asking for support. There are no additional features I'm asking them for.

    Subscriptions work in apps that I use every single day. I see Office 365 a valuable subscription. Lightroom, something I use every 2 weeks, I bought outright. I did the math on my blog last week.

    I looked at my Amazon History. I paid $144 for Lightroom 6 standalone in May of 2015. On a monthly basis, I’ve spent $5.50 a month to own Lightroom and if it’s ever updated to version 7, I could continue to run version 6 for the next decade as it suits my needs.

    If I had spent $10 a month on Adobe Creative Cloud photographers, I’d have Photoshop which I never use and will have spent $260 for the same software.
    For some applications, a subscription makes sense. But Onyx which I run twice a year to clean up my Mac or A Better Finder Rename I open every 3 months to mass-rename some files or Sequence I use to assemble a Time Lapse once a year when I go on my road trip, if those developers decide to charge $1-$10 a month to use their application, they can piss off.

    Edit:

    "But what about maintenance updates, coding the application to support new MacOS releases and keep it from crashing at launch and supporting the existing user base? These cost the developer money long after you've spent it"

    If a developer doesn't want to patch bugs in their application, I'll just buy another application in 2-3 years when yours stops launching. If you want to release 1.0 for $25 and then abandon it and not write another line of code, that's fine, there are a lot of applications on Mac that perform similar tasks. I don't owe you $5 a month when I can save my pennies and give them to someone else in 2-3 years when your app finally craps the bed.

    code gets stale, bugs pop up, OS upgrades break apps and competitors rise with cooler features. You can choose to remain competitive at a loss and accept an annualized major upgrade that causes all users to pay you for the cool new stuff or accept the money you got up front and never touch the code again

    In fact, there is a lot of mediocre Open source software out there that costs nothing to use. If every single Macintosh application is a subscription in 10 years, I'll write my own apps or go 100% open source and deal with the rawness and unpredictability of them.
     
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    When they have you pretty much locked in, they have no reason to remedy, rectify, or innovate.

    SAAS that stops working fully when you stop paying is a terrible model for users.
     
  7. ck2875, Aug 10, 2017 at 11:02 AM
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    Fuuuuuu.... *attempts to avoid angry rant of how much I hate subscription model apps*.... I guess I should go update my bitchy review of Bear, where I say their subscription is overpriced and tell people to just invest in Ulysses with the expensive one-time payment of like $70 or however much it was I paid for the iOS + Mac versions. I would have paid for a paid upgrade just to have the app available when I wanted to use it, but I don’t use this software anywhere near enough to justify paying for a subscription at $40/year.
     
  8. ziggie216 macrumors 6502

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    I'm not a fan, but do understand the reason. It's the same question anyone should be asking themselves, are you willing to work for a one time payment and provide free life time maintenance and upgrade to someone.
     
  9. itsmilo macrumors 6502a

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    its like ... the music industry is the only ones sorta getting it? While app developers and movie studios (Disney i am looking at you) keep on going backwards.

    Never gonna subscribe to a program in my life. I dont use any program enough to justify it while netflix is streaming everywhere
     
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    I'm not mad, all i have to say is, "no thanks, I'll go elsewhere"
     
  12. Jessica Lares macrumors G3

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    I'm at least happy they made the decision to make an entirely new app and not pull a Day One on people.
     
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    Just four words: Scrivener
    ...1....2......3..........4............;)
     
  14. MirekEl macrumors newbie

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    So, if I disagree with your opinion, I need to take my “boo-hoo” elsewhere?

    Typical arrogance associated with the subscription model.
     
  15. Pafoofnik macrumors newbie

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    I'd no sooner subscribe to software than I'd rent somebody else's pants to wear.

    Last decade, the big companies had a brainstorm to start pushing "the Cloud" and all of a sudden everyone had to rush to upload Aunt Ethel's birthday photos up to a server located who-knows-where and tended by Admin Who-Knows-Who for fear they would dissolve on local storage. This decade, the biggies devise the subscription model for their software wherein the user pays to become a servant. Brilliant.
     
  16. adamjackson macrumors 6502a

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    via the Ulysses Blog:

    A tiny bit of history
    Software purchases used to be very different from how they are today. Until not too long ago, you would purchase an application and get a physical copy on a bunch of floppies (or later a CD). The thing you got — that was it. No patches, no updates. Developers had to put forward an extreme amount of attention to get everything right, because once an app was out, development had to be done.

    And that’s also what you paid for: A finished product. Essentially, you paid the development time spent up until the app’s release. New features were then delivered via a new version, and you had to pay again, if you wanted that new version.

    Things changed with the advent of the internet, of course. As soon as we had dial-up connections, developers could offer small patches to fix issues that were found after shipping. And once broadband connections were ubiquitously available, larger and more frequent patches were possible. At first, these resulted in new features being added on-the-fly, but it quickly evolved into issuing more and more substantial patches — until today, where most v1.0s are mere sketches of a future product.

    I disagree with the way things are today completely. I'm sick and tired of paying $70 for AAA Video games that spend the next 6 months patching bugs and AI issues long after I've beaten the broken game that shipped with thousands of bugs or the balls for that dev to charge me $50 in DLC to get all of the stuff they wanted to ship with the game.

    The issue is compounded with Software where developers are shipping (to use Ulysses' words) "where most v1.0s are mere sketches of a future product." This also is ********. Just like when I bought a packaged version of Roxio Toast or Microsoft Office or iDVD back in 2001 and had a full expectation that every feature worked without having to call the developer to pay S&H to get them to mail me an updated version that works, I feel the same way about apps today.

    Ship 1.0 feature-complete. Work on 2.0 and charge me an upgrade fee. Don't ship software until its done. If someone else beats you to market, you ship later but better than them because you took the time to perfect things.

    Subscriptions are not the way you afford to release "1.0s that are mere sketches"

    If your application isn't ready, don't ship it. I would greatly prefer to receive a new piece of software every 18 months that's feature complete and nearly bug-free (no software has 0 bugs). The only reasonable expectation I have in the Internet age is that developers patch security bugs, bugs that would cause instability of your app and file corruption on my computer. If your app works without any security issues, don't update anything and save it for 2.0 when I have to pay another $50 to have the latest version.

    --

    Imagine buying Roxio Toast and installing it and going to burn a DVR-RW and Roxio says "Coming soon, DVD-R only. Write us an email with a $5 payment to unlock DVD-RW burning. 1.0 was just a mere sketch of what we plan on doing with this app over the coming year"
     
  17. tkukoc, Aug 10, 2017 at 11:27 AM
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    As a developer I can honestly say subscriptions are the easy way out. Essentially you've run out of ideas and cash flow has dropped so you hit back at those who originally purchased or continue to use your product. Never ever do I agree with this route. I just create a new app and move on, it's my fault for not being able to add new features to keep things fresh. Unfortunately that's not how some other developers see it.. they don't care about the end user.. they just want the cash to keep coming in. Pretty sad. Most apps are half done anyway, that's just bad programming done on purpose.
     
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    It's ridiculous that I have to pay for an app that I already purchased because the developers, in their greed, have turned to a subscription model.

    Now that Scrivener has an iPhone/iPad version, Ulysses doesn't serve much purpose. Moving to a subscription model just tells me that Ulysses is circling the drain.

    I am removing this now-useless app from all my devices.

    (Maybe they should rename it "Uselyss".)
     
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    There is zero chance I'll be paying a rental fee to use this software.
     
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    There is zero chance I'll be paying a rental fee to use ANY software.
     
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    Never rented a tux then?
     
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    I was literally five days away from buying the McOS version! I already have and love the IOS version on my iPad. I'm buying a new macbook on Tuesday after I sell my house, but now I have missed the boat. I understand that "devs gotta eat" because I am a developer myself, but I HATE HATE HATE subscription model app sales except in a few limited cases. Examples of good models: Microsoft Office 365. You not only get the Office suite of apps which are very expensive otherwise, you get at least a Terabyte of OneDrive space in the cloud for each user (5) and it is $9.95/month for 5 users. That is a great value and the OneDrive service alone makes it a steal. Adobe Cloud is also great because I don't use it often and I can get it for the window I need it in and it is a TON of expensive apps. I don't mind subscriptions for things like NetFlix because it offers so much for $10/month. This would be like one channel offering just their shows or maybe even more like one of their TV shows for $5/month. I'm not going to do it. The value isn't there. They offered my a special deal on the subscription for "life"but I'd rather they grandfathered me in and let me pay the $40 and get a subscription free version. I'd even be willing to pay $80. I now have to rethink what tool I want to use for my writing. Plus I have to get all of my stuff out of Ulysses and into whatever else I end up getting. What a giant PAIN!
    --- Post Merged, Aug 10, 2017 at 11:52 AM ---
    I have rented a tux because I need one about once a year. I need Ulysses or something like it daily. If I needed a tux daily, I'd buy one, which I did finally do when I had two events to go to in the span of a couple months and the economics worked out. At least I have a choice to rent a tux or buy one. Now I don't have a choice with Ulysses. :-(
     
  24. jhfenton macrumors 6502a

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    I have no problem with the concept of software subscriptions. I subscribe to Office 365 for $60-80 per year depending on what specials I find. I subscribe to Parallel's emulation software for roughly $50 per year. I subscribe to Adobe's $10 monthly photography package. I even subscribe to Parcel Premium for $2.99 per year. (And there are probably a few others I can't think of off the top of my head.)

    I am, in order, happy, barely satisfied, annoyed, and delighted with the value I get for those four subscriptions.

    But developers need to be realistic about their value proposition. I haven't used Ulysses, but the subscription pricing seems likely to eliminate all non-professional users.

    (I also have a Lifetime Plex Pass purchased way back when. I've really gotten my money's worth there.)
     
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    Who is actually paying for software subscriptions besides maybe Adobe and Office?
     

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