Mac App Store

[Tankmaze]

With ARM coming to the macs, do you think the mac would become like iOS where apps and games can only be downloaded from the app store ?

Maybe not Big Sur, but maybe 2-3 Major OS updates in the future when Apple drops Rosetta 2 support, any thoughts ?

 

[robbieduncan]

No, I don't see this happening. Or if it does it has nothing to do with the architecture of the CPU. If Apple choose to do this it's driven by their philosophy of what the OS should be able to do. I'd also say if Apple do this they will lose a lot of developers, technology professionals and other who really drive a positive mind share for their products.

 

[maflynn]

Is adobe in the MAS?

They already mentioned that creative suite is being ported to Apple, so if they're not in the MAS, then its likely forcing all developers into the MAS isn't in the cards right now.

With that said, there's too much unknown with the move to ARM, so any talk will be pure speculation and If Apple does force developers to MAS, I wouldn't be surprised.

 

[PBG4 Dude]

Is adobe in the MAS?

They already mentioned that creative suite is being ported to Apple, so if they're not in the MAS, then its likely forcing all developers into the MAS isn't in the cards right now.

With that said, there's too much unknown with the move to ARM, so any talk will be pure speculation and If Apple does force developers to MAS, I wouldn't be surprised.

I can only find Elements and Lightroom In the app store.

 

[zorinlynx]

I've been concerned about that too, but I realize that it's probably not going to happen.

The Mac is a developer platform. Developer platforms need to be able to run arbitrary code. Life will be very difficult for developers otherwise.

Also, they're talking about continuing to allow virtualization, which by definition requires an open operating system.

So... that little nagging worry is there, but realistically we probably have nothing to worry about. My reasons for disliking the ARM transition are mostly about losing compatibility with the rest of the PC industry. 🙁

 

[Tankmaze]

All good points, I agree.

I hope that too, when all Apple products is in the same architecture the one that differentiate mac would be their development platform and able to do things like it always do.

I'm thinking this is because all iOS & iPad apps would become available to the mac but what about mac ability to download apps from anywhere become available for the iphones & ipads.

Android has this ability to download apps outside their play store, maybe the same thing could happen with iOS & iPadOS in the future.

 

[Nermal]

One of the WWDC videos talked about how Intel apps will be translated on first launch if not installed via the App Store (if they are from the App Store then they'll be translated upon installation). This indicates that at least non-Arm apps can still be installed from anywhere. I'd imagine that Arm apps can be too, otherwise it'll confuse customers.

 

[MevetS]

With ARM coming to the macs, do you think the mac would become like iOS where apps and games can only be downloaded from the app store ?

Maybe not Big Sur, but maybe 2-3 Major OS updates in the future when Apple drops Rosetta 2 support, any thoughts ?

The answer is no. Apple has repeatedly said this. Most recently on the Talk Show.

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[raftman]

No, that will never be possible, it would cause so many problems. For example they would have to remove Finder access to all the files related to the OS, and application “package contents” which would be unacceptable. It would make the Mac useless for most professionals and programmers.

Although, they could create an iPadOS based laptop I suppose?

 

[Erehy Dobon]

First of all, Apple never uses the term "laptop." It is always "notebook."

That said, there are probably notebook computers running iPadOS in a secret lab somewhere in Cupertino. There are probably tablets running macOS in a nearby lab in Cupertino.

The ability of Apple to release such a product is uninteresting. The answer is they probably can.

There is probably little chance that Apple would do so. That's the more important discussion and one that doesn't bode well for those who live in a certain dreamworld.

 

[raftman]

First of all, Apple never uses the term "laptop." It is always "notebook."

That said, there are probably notebook computers running iPadOS in a secret lab somewhere in Cupertino. There are probably tablets running macOS in a nearby lab in Cupertino.

The ability of Apple to release such a product is uninteresting. The answer is they probably can.

There is probably little chance that Apple would do so. That's the more important discussion and one that doesn't bode well for those who live in a certain dreamworld.

I’m just saying one day we might see a laptop (notebook) format with a “walled garden” App Store. But the walled garden could never exist on the entire Mac lineup.

 

[Erehy Dobon]

Maybe. When I have three or four marbles rolling upstairs in my head.

It won't be next year, nor the year after that or even five years away.

 

[raftman]

Well I hope you find your marbles soon.