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Apple's .Mac Bookmarks page shows disclosure triangles next to the folders. When I look at my bookmarks there are no disclosure triangles. This means that I can only view the bookmarks inside of one folder at a time. Seems strange that the real thing doesn't match apple's screenshot...am I missing something?
Apple's .Mac Bookmarks page shows disclosure triangles next to the folders. When I look at my bookmarks there are no disclosure triangles. This means that I can only view the bookmarks inside of one folder at a time. Seems strange that the real thing doesn't match apple's screenshot...am I missing something?
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And you don't seem to realize that .Mac isn't just about web hosting. Yes, you can stick your bookmarks on a web server, but will you be able to edit them on-the-fly? No. Will you be able to use Safari's regular Add Bookmark command to directly add bookmarks to the online bookmarks storage? No. Et cetera. Unless, of course, you build wrappers for property lists, the ical format and other things.
Apple absolutely should enable PHP and MySQL on websites located on iDisk. What you're saying is, "if you need MySQL and/or PHP, buy web space". That's costs in addition to the cost of .Mac, if the person wants to continue using other .Mac services. It also contributes to redundancy -- you've got a lot of unused capacity to run a medium-sized website if you go elsewhere with your website.
So in short, it just doesn't make sense, while it's simply sensible for Apple to enable at least some dynamic-content facilities for sites hosted on iDisks.
i'm not sure what to make of this. it's kind of kewl i guess. i'm not a big bookmarker though. i'd like to see some more significant features added to .Mac before i decide to pay for next year.
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Thus, it works just like Safari does. You can't open a collection using a disclosure triangle, but all folders inside the collection (ie. on the right in Safari's bookmarks manager) can be opened using disclosure triangles.
Yes, there are disclosure triangles -- just not at the top level ("All Collections"). This top level corresponds to the sidebar of Safari's bookmarks manager.
Thus, it works just like Safari does. You can't open a collection using a disclosure triangle, but all folders inside the collection (ie. on the right in Safari's bookmarks manager) can be opened using disclosure triangles.
YES!
This is the single coolest feature I've seen yet for .Mac. It might even make me sign up (I let it lapse when they started charging for it.) I really, really hate it when I bookmark things at work and don't have that bookmark at home. Or, when at home, bookmark something on my Mac and don't have it on the PC or vice-versa.
This is one feature I put in a feature request for when .Mac first came out. The other is being able to authenticate against my .Mac account and log in to my settings from any machine anywhere.
This is the single coolest feature I've seen yet for .Mac. It might even make me sign up (I let it lapse when they started charging for it.) I really, really hate it when I bookmark things at work and don't have that bookmark at home. Or, when at home, bookmark something on my Mac and don't have it on the PC or vice-versa.
This is one feature I put in a feature request for when .Mac first came out. The other is being able to authenticate against my .Mac account and log in to my settings from any machine anywhere.
Can I edit them on the fly? Sure. Open BBEdit. Takes a second. Am I still going to use the iSync bookmarks? Yeah, probably, as you can see above, and I darned well do know that .Mac is about more than web hosting - because I'm paying for four things: web hosting, .Mac, broadband, and HotSpot service. Don't get so worked up next time.
Takes a lot more than a second, even if you do have super-fast fingers and an insanely quick connection. More importantly, it's something you need to actively do, instead of letting Safari/iSync/.Mac do the work for you. With the combo of the aforementioned apps and services, all you end up having to do is hit Command-D. And that's what I was getting at in my post.
I'm hoping you're smart enough to realize that people are bound to get worked up if you go around calling random people "not smart enough"
I'm probably just confused here, but aren't you asking for:
1. Will you be able to edit them on the fly.
Answer: Yes? The new bookmark window allows you to add new bookmarks from any browser anywhere in the world, which will automatically sync with your .mac account... Isn't this "on-the-fly"?
2. Will you be able to use Safari's regular Add Bookmark command...
Answer: Yes? Sure it doesn't add the bookmark *directly* to the site, but, as Panther proves with your synced iDisk folder, you might not always be connected to your .mac account. Or maybe you load a bunch of pages in Safari and then go offline for reading and want to bookmark a page. Good thing safari bookmarks locally, and then syncs with iSync next time you have an internet connection, so it's available on .mac.
I mean, perhaps I'm just unclear on what your point is. Sure adding PHP/MYSQL would be more powerful and cool, but that isn't really the purpose of .mac at all is it? It's not a web hosting account, it's services they provide.
Anyone who thinks...
... that the .Mac service should be a hard core web hosting provider with all the bells and whistles of an actual dedicated business hosting company - get your head out of your arse!
Wake up and realize what you're saying - just for a second, please. This is *not* a service for "web professionals". This is *not* a service for anyone wishing to dabble in scripting languages (other than vanilla HTML). This never was Apple's intention, nor is it their demographic.
If you want to roll your own dynamic web site there are plenty of providers that will give you some hosting space and trinkety crap for $4.95 a month. So go. Leave us alone, and realize that when I want to post my photos of my vacation, some new tracks I'm mixing and some videos of my new daughter, I don't care that .Mac doesn't have things like PHP and mySQL.
Incidentally, I'm not a betting man, but I'd be willing to put some money down on the fact that the same ppl whining about .Mac's "lack of power features" also complain about the price of Apple computers (usually punctuating it with some anecdote about how they built a PC for $250 and it runs ten thousand times faster than a Mac).
You're not the demographic. You'll never be happy. Move on.
... that the .Mac service should be a hard core web hosting provider with all the bells and whistles of an actual dedicated business hosting company - get your head out of your arse!
Wake up and realize what you're saying - just for a second, please. This is *not* a service for "web professionals". This is *not* a service for anyone wishing to dabble in scripting languages (other than vanilla HTML). This never was Apple's intention, nor is it their demographic.
If you want to roll your own dynamic web site there are plenty of providers that will give you some hosting space and trinkety crap for $4.95 a month. So go. Leave us alone, and realize that when I want to post my photos of my vacation, some new tracks I'm mixing and some videos of my new daughter, I don't care that .Mac doesn't have things like PHP and mySQL.
Incidentally, I'm not a betting man, but I'd be willing to put some money down on the fact that the same ppl whining about .Mac's "lack of power features" also complain about the price of Apple computers (usually punctuating it with some anecdote about how they built a PC for $250 and it runs ten thousand times faster than a Mac).
You're not the demographic. You'll never be happy. Move on.
This will be really useful, I am always exporting my links, dragging them into a folder, to take them with me to work. One less thing for me to do!
Oh, also the backup software was updated today too, you can download it form the .mac web site over on the right side. testing it out right now.
Oh, also the backup software was updated today too, you can download it form the .mac web site over on the right side. testing it out right now.
Probably because its actually useful unlike most of the other gimmicky features of .Mac. There is simply no way I'm wasting $100 on this. .Mac is easily the worst Apple product of recent times.
Now everyone's entitled to their own opinion, and I'll respect that, but I just can't understand how you can say it's "the worst Apple product of recent times". It's really not that bad. It doesn't offer services for everyone, but some people like it.
I, for one, am extremely happy that I can automatically sync my bookmarks anywhere in the world. I have an online disk that doesn't just have FTP access, but will mount directly on my screen as a disk, or on any other Mac or windows with WebDAV. I can auto-publish my pictures from iPhoto to a web page. I have my grandparents using my .mac screensaver, which is like an auto-updating photo frame for them with new pictures of my family all the time. I love the IMAP mail support, and good webmail interface with access to my auto-synced address book across my home, work, and laptop computers. I've got my iCals published automatically.
It's certainly not for everyone, and a lot of these services you can probably find elsewhere, but none of them have the elegant integration and "it just works" mentality of .mac -- in fact, if you spend $30 for an email account per year (which doesn't have the great address book access), and $5/month for web access, you're already at $90 per year. Then add in the time it costs you to do all the things that .mac does automatically. 1 hour extra per month? That's 12 hours per year extra. Plus the time to manage all the different accounts. Plus you still don't get the direct integration.
So, get a job at McDonalds for the 20hours/year you save in time with .mac, that's an extra $150 in your pocket.
But seriously, I think .mac os a decent product, but if you don't care about publishing your photos online, or syncing your address book and bookmarks, or publishing your iCals, it probably isn't for you.
.mac needed for....
I actually use .mac mainly for idisk which allows me to send files too large for email to the office and back. Then virus protection, which let's just call paranoia at this point( will crackers and spammers aim at us after G5?).
Anything beyond that is cake. I'll allow my auto-renewal.
But I am curious, what is it about ichatav that you NEED to have .mac for? What does it really do for me? Seriously if anyone can clarify for me...
oh!, and I think the bookmark thing is cute and unexpected. I, like others, had wished there was just a simple way to get that url that you found at the office....
I actually use .mac mainly for idisk which allows me to send files too large for email to the office and back. Then virus protection, which let's just call paranoia at this point( will crackers and spammers aim at us after G5?).
Anything beyond that is cake. I'll allow my auto-renewal.
But I am curious, what is it about ichatav that you NEED to have .mac for? What does it really do for me? Seriously if anyone can clarify for me...
oh!, and I think the bookmark thing is cute and unexpected. I, like others, had wished there was just a simple way to get that url that you found at the office....
While I disagree with the sentiment that this post was made in, I have to say I at least agree with one point of it. I also think it is the worst Apple product of recent times, but only because everything as of late AFAIC has been really good. That means the worst of the bunch can still be quite good.
I'm not a subscriber of .mac, and doubt I will be soon, but that doesn't mean I don't see value in it. I just don't want to spend the $$ yet. Maybe with a few more additions...
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Has anyone figured out how to get the little .Mac Bookmarks window to come up without first navigating to the "Welcome to .Mac Bookmarks" page?
Basically, I'm looking for a way to put a Favorite on my Windows IE toolbar that's like ".Mac Bookmarks", which just opens the window.
There's some session cookie thing going on that requires you to navigate to the welcome page first.
I want a permalink. Any ideas?
Has anyone figured out how to get the little .Mac Bookmarks window to come up without first navigating to the "Welcome to .Mac Bookmarks" page?
Basically, I'm looking for a way to put a Favorite on my Windows IE toolbar that's like ".Mac Bookmarks", which just opens the window.
There's some session cookie thing going on that requires you to navigate to the welcome page first.
I want a permalink. Any ideas?
Wow... I guess I really wasn't expecting such a strong negative response to what I said but now I realize that I should have been more careful with what I said. Although I didn't have this in my mind at all when I wrote the post, I realize that I was being a little selfish with what I said. Yes bookmarks would have been cool to use but I was just saying I wouldn't use them. The reason why I said it was disappointing was because I thought that this might be the only update. I really think it is good that apple tries to make things easy and am hurt that you say I sound like a pc person (not this post but I will get to it in a minute). I have used macs all of my life and cant stand working on pcs. In short, I like ease but ease is different than the lack of such features in a webhost. I do realize that apple isn't really meaning to be a webhost but, as I am just 15, I have to get all of my credit-card related purchasing (like .mac for example) through my parents. Apple is a company that they trust and I really like their service and how tightly integrated into their OS it is. I just wish there were a few more features, thats all. I think it would be a great idea for them to add a couple of options such as php and mysql atleast for a little more money and have another rate for the regular html. Now... on to your post. Hmpf. I really had no intent to show off AT ALL. I was just mentioning what was on my mind. I am sorry if it was interpreted as that but really I don't think it is fair that you jump to such conclusions. In fact, I want the php and mysql support so that it would be EASIER for me. I don't really like to have to do all of the formatting in html where I could just write the text into a database and never have to look at any code AT ALL when I am done with the basic stuff. Php is not a hard language and I have no pride that I have learned it. I merely want to use it because it would make my life easier. And about your saying that I am too stupid to realize that there are other hosts out there that will do php support. You don't think I really don't KNOW that. As I said above, my parents need to trust the company and make sure that it is not some scam place that they are giving out their credit card number to. I completely agree with them and think that Apple is one of the companies that I trust the most. I really like them and I didn't mean to make any of you think otherwise. I also didn't mean to show off and I am sorry if it came across in this way. I just want the php support to make my life easier and so that I can have a company that I trust as my host. I love the e-mail services and i-cards and the virus protection. I think that the service is well worth it but I would want a couple of new features. Please think twice before attacking me like that
.Exactly, I think it would be cool if they devised a way to do php with no coding, but I better go. sorry. Dinner
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Ok now I have more time to elaborate on this idea of mine. You know how apple has their homepage templates where people who don't know html can build a reasonably cool site. Well, I think it would be very usefull for every .mac user to have a php/mysql system that was completely handeled by apple just like their homepage system is. That way they would benefit from being able to add content easily and quickly and, like you can host files that you write on your idisk, people who would want to write a page in php could. It would be great for everybody and I see really no downside except for the processing power required on apple's part to parse all of the code. I think this bookmark system is cool and very apple-like, but I will most likely never use it. I think that people would end up finding the php/mysql much more usefull which is not to say that I am disapointed by bookmark. Ahh, i am repeating myself I guess i better go to bed. *didn't sleep well last night
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