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BiggeeC

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Jun 23, 2002
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Hey everybody. My new(old) Sawtooth keeps crashing on me. (ibook never crashed in 3 years) It only happens when it wakes up. All the other time, it flies. I'm running 10.4.2 on a G4 Sawtooth w/400 ghz. 1 GB ram, Seagate 160 GB hard drive. I turned off the option to put my hard drive to sleep, and that worked for awhile. Now, almost every time it sleeps, it crashes. I know a simple solution would be to just keep it from sleeping, but, um, I want to know what's going on. Thanks
 

doucy2

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Jul 7, 2005
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dunno whats wrong with it
i have ahd amny sawtooths and none crashed while sleeping (i just had problems with monitor resolution when i would wake it)
 

Blue Velvet

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BiggeeC said:
Now, almost every time it sleeps, it crashes.

Just exactly what kind of crash? Kernal panic upon awakening or something else?

Try to be as detailed as possible when describing the problem.

Any USB peripherals?
 

BiggeeC

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WeeShoo said:
Time to shop for a new HD!

:)


HD is about............8 days old. The only USB connections I have are keyboard/mouse. I don't know if it's a kernal panic.....how do I know? There are 2 kinds of freezes. One is just a perpetual beach ball.The other is a dark gray box that appears in the middle of the screen. It says something like "Your computer needs to be restarted. Please hold down the power button until it restarts" or something like that. Then, when I restart it, it says something like, "OSX had to be restarted due to something or other (it doesn't give an example, it just says something like an unknown error. I'm not near my computer nor will I be until tomorrow, so that's the best I can do.

Sorry for not being too specific.
 

BiggeeC

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Sorry for the delay

Ok, it was asked what kinds of errors were coming up. I checked the logs, and here's what I got:

error_log:

Description: Printer error log
Size: 8.71 KB
Last Modified: 8/24/05 1:43 PM
Location: /var/log/cups/error_log
Recent Contents: ...
I [20/Aug/2005:01:16:45 -0700] Printer sharing is off and there are no jobs pending, will restart on demand. Exiting.
I [20/Aug/2005:11:38:39 -0700] Listening to 7f000001:631
I [20/Aug/2005:11:38:39 -0700] Listening to 300fa0:0
I [20/Aug/2005:11:38:39 -0700] Loaded configuration file "/private/etc/cups/cupsd.conf"
I [20/Aug/2005:11:38:39 -0700] Configured for up to 100 clients.
I [20/Aug/2005:11:38:39 -0700] Allowing up to 100 client connections per host.
I [20/Aug/2005:11:38:39 -0700] Full reload is required.
I [20/Aug/2005:11:38:39 -0700] Full reload complete.
I [20/Aug/2005:11:58:07 -0700] System going to sleep
I [20/Aug/2005:13:07:59 -0700] System woke from sleep
I [20/Aug/2005:13:44:26 -0700] Listening to 7f000001:631
I [20/Aug/2005:13:44:26 -0700] Listening to 300fa0:0
I [20/Aug/2005:13:44:26 -0700] Loaded configuration file "/private/etc/cups/cupsd.conf"
I [20/Aug/2005:13:44:26 -0700] Configured for up to 100 clients.
I [20/Aug/2005:13:44:26 -0700] Allowing up to 100 client connections per host.
I [20/Aug/2005:13:44:26 -0700] Full reload is required.
I [20/Aug/2005:13:44:26 -0700] Full reload complete.
I [20/Aug/2005:13:44:26 -0700] Printer sharing is off and there are no jobs pending, will restart on demand. Exiting.
I [21/Aug/2005:12:35:50 -0700] Listening to 7f000001:631
I [21/Aug/2005:12:35:50 -0700] Listening to 300fa0:0
I [21/Aug/2005:12:35:50 -0700] Loaded configuration file "/private/etc/cups/cupsd.conf"
I [21/Aug/2005:12:35:50 -0700] Configured for up to 100 clients.
I [21/Aug/2005:12:35:50 -0700] Allowing up to 100 client connections per host.
I [21/Aug/2005:12:35:50 -0700] Full reload is required.
I [21/Aug/2005:12:35:50 -0700] Full reload complete.
I [21/Aug/2005:12:35:51 -0700] Printer sharing is off and there are no jobs pending, will restart on demand. Exiting.
I [21/Aug/2005:13:06:49 -0700] Listening to 7f000001:631
I [21/Aug/2005:13:06:49 -0700] Listening to 300fa0:0
I [21/Aug/2005:13:06:49 -0700] Loaded configuration file "/private/etc/cups/cupsd.conf"
I [21/Aug/2005:13:06:49 -0700] Configured for up to 100 clients.
I [21/Aug/2005:13:06:49 -0700] Allowing up to 100 client connections per host.
I [21/Aug/2005:13:06:49 -0700] Full reload is required.
I [21/Aug/2005:13:06:49 -0700] Full reload complete.
I [21/Aug/2005:13:06:50 -0700] Printer sharing is off and there are no jobs pending, will restart on demand. Exiting.
I [22/Aug/2005:00:29:58 -0700] Listening to 7f000001:631
I [22/Aug/2005:00:29:58 -0700] Listening to 300fa0:0
I [22/Aug/2005:00:29:58 -0700] Loaded configuration file "/private/etc/cups/cupsd.conf"
I [22/Aug/2005:00:29:58 -0700] Configured for up to 100 clients.
I [22/Aug/2005:00:29:58 -0700] Allowing up to 100 client connections per host.
I [22/Aug/2005:00:29:58 -0700] Full reload is required.
I [22/Aug/2005:00:29:58 -0700] Full reload complete.
I [22/Aug/2005:00:29:59 -0700] Printer sharing is off and there are no jobs pending, will restart on demand. Exiting.
I [22/Aug/2005:11:02:40 -0700] Listening to 7f000001:631
I [22/Aug/2005:11:02:40 -0700] Listening to 300fa0:0
I [22/Aug/2005:11:02:40 -0700] Loaded configuration file "/private/etc/cups/cupsd.conf"
I [22/Aug/2005:11:02:40 -0700] Configured for up to 100 clients.
I [22/Aug/2005:11:02:40 -0700] Allowing up to 100 client connections per host.
I [22/Aug/2005:11:02:40 -0700] Full reload is required.
I [22/Aug/2005:11:02:40 -0700] Full reload complete.
I [22/Aug/2005:11:02:41 -0700] Printer sharing is off and there are no jobs pending, will restart on demand. Exiting.
I [22/Aug/2005:12:09:49 -0700] Listening to 7f000001:631
I [22/Aug/2005:12:09:49 -0700] Listening to 300fa0:0
I [22/Aug/2005:12:09:49 -0700] Loaded configuration file "/private/etc/cups/cupsd.conf"
I [22/Aug/2005:12:09:49 -0700] Configured for up to 100 clients.
I [22/Aug/2005:12:09:49 -0700] Allowing up to 100 client connections per host.
I [22/Aug/2005:12:09:49 -0700] Full reload is required.
I [22/Aug/2005:12:09:49 -0700] Full reload complete.
I [22/Aug/2005:12:09:49 -0700] Printer sharing is off and there are no jobs pending, will restart on demand. Exiting.
I [24/Aug/2005:12:43:48 -0700] Listening to 7f000001:631
I [24/Aug/2005:12:43:48 -0700] Listening to 300fa0:0
I [24/Aug/2005:12:43:48 -0700] Loaded configuration file "/private/etc/cups/cupsd.conf"
I [24/Aug/2005:12:43:48 -0700] Configured for up to 100 clients.
I [24/Aug/2005:12:43:48 -0700] Allowing up to 100 client connections per host.
I [24/Aug/2005:12:43:48 -0700] Full reload is required.
I [24/Aug/2005:12:43:48 -0700] Full reload complete.
I [24/Aug/2005:12:43:49 -0700] Printer sharing is off and there are no jobs pending, will restart on demand. Exiting.
I [24/Aug/2005:13:43:01 -0700] Listening to 7f000001:631
I [24/Aug/2005:13:43:01 -0700] Listening to 300fa0:0
I [24/Aug/2005:13:43:01 -0700] Loaded configuration file "/private/etc/cups/cupsd.conf"
I [24/Aug/2005:13:43:01 -0700] Configured for up to 100 clients.
I [24/Aug/2005:13:43:01 -0700] Allowing up to 100 client connections per host.
I [24/Aug/2005:13:43:01 -0700] Full reload is required.
I [24/Aug/2005:13:43:01 -0700] Full reload complete.
 

BiggeeC

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Jun 23, 2002
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Gaithersburg, MD
I got another one

I also found this one in the panic.log

Does anyone know what this means?


Description: Panic (system crashes) log
Size: 4.37 KB
Last Modified: 8/22/05 12:09 PM
Location: /Library/Logs/panic.log
Recent Contents: Fri Aug 19 21:21:08 2005
panic(cpu 0 caller 0x000A8B98): Uncorrectable machine check: pc = 000000002CD45D0C, msr = 0000000000049030, dsisr = 42000000, dar = 000000000281E054
AsyncSrc = 0000000000000000, CoreFIR = 0000000000000000
L2FIR = 0000000000000000, BusFir = 00000000ff000000

Latest stack backtrace for cpu 0:
Backtrace:
0x00095544 0x00095A5C 0x0002683C 0x000A8B98 0x000A7E28 0x000ABB00
Proceeding back via exception chain:
Exception state (sv=0x2E1F5A00)
PC=0x2CD45D0C; MSR=0x00049030; DAR=0x0281E054; DSISR=0x42000000; LR=0x2CD4B308; R1=0x17D93CD0; XCP=0x00000008 (0x200 - Machine check)
Backtrace:
0x002CD468 0x2CD4B308 0x2CD453B8 0x2CD4BD24 0x0003C738 0x000A9694
Kernel loadable modules in backtrace (with dependencies):
com.apple.iokit.IOATAFamily(1.6.0f2)@0x2cd3f000
Exception state (sv=0x2D99A280)
PC=0x00000000; MSR=0x0000D030; DAR=0x00000000; DSISR=0x00000000; LR=0x00000000; R1=0x00000000; XCP=0x00000000 (Unknown)

Kernel version:
Darwin Kernel Version 8.2.0: Fri Jun 24 17:46:54 PDT 2005; root:xnu-792.2.4.obj~3/RELEASE_PPC
*********

Fri Aug 19 21:44:38 2005
panic(cpu 0 caller 0x000A8B98): Uncorrectable machine check: pc = 000000002CD45D0C, msr = 0000000000049030, dsisr = 42000000, dar = 000000000281E054
AsyncSrc = 0000000000000000, CoreFIR = 0000000000000000
L2FIR = 0000000000000000, BusFir = 00000000ff000000

Latest stack backtrace for cpu 0:
Backtrace:
0x00095544 0x00095A5C 0x0002683C 0x000A8B98 0x000A7E28 0x000ABB00
Proceeding back via exception chain:
Exception state (sv=0x2E1F5A00)
PC=0x2CD45D0C; MSR=0x00049030; DAR=0x0281E054; DSISR=0x42000000; LR=0x2CD4B308; R1=0x17D93CD0; XCP=0x00000008 (0x200 - Machine check)
Backtrace:
0x002CD468 0x2CD4B308 0x2CD453B8 0x2CD4BD24 0x0003C738 0x000A9694
Kernel loadable modules in backtrace (with dependencies):
com.apple.iokit.IOATAFamily(1.6.0f2)@0x2cd3f000
Exception state (sv=0x2D99A280)
PC=0x00000000; MSR=0x0000D030; DAR=0x00000000; DSISR=0x00000000; LR=0x00000000; R1=0x00000000; XCP=0x00000000 (Unknown)

Kernel version:
Darwin Kernel Version 8.2.0: Fri Jun 24 17:46:54 PDT 2005; root:xnu-792.2.4.obj~3/RELEASE_PPC
*********

Mon Aug 22 11:02:37 2005
panic(cpu 0 caller 0x000A8B98): Uncorrectable machine check: pc = 000000002CD3FD0C, msr = 0000000000049030, dsisr = 40000000, dar = 00000000EFFFCF10
AsyncSrc = 0000000000000000, CoreFIR = 0000000000000000
L2FIR = 0000000000000000, BusFir = 0000000000000000

Latest stack backtrace for cpu 0:
Backtrace:
0x00095544 0x00095A5C 0x0002683C 0x000A8B98 0x000A7E28 0x000ABB00
Proceeding back via exception chain:
Exception state (sv=0x2CD61000)
PC=0x2CD3FD0C; MSR=0x00049030; DAR=0xEFFFCF10; DSISR=0x40000000; LR=0x2CD45308; R1=0x17F03CD0; XCP=0x00000008 (0x200 - Machine check)
Backtrace:
0x002CD468 0x2CD45308 0x2CD3F3B8 0x2CD45D24 0x0003C738 0x000A9694
Kernel loadable modules in backtrace (with dependencies):
com.apple.iokit.IOATAFamily(1.6.0f2)@0x2cd39000
Exception state (sv=0x2D803280)
PC=0x00000000; MSR=0x0000D030; DAR=0x00000000; DSISR=0x00000000; LR=0x00000000; R1=0x00000000; XCP=0x00000000 (Unknown)

Kernel version:
Darwin Kernel Version 8.2.0: Fri Jun 24 17:46:54 PDT 2005; root:xnu-792.2.4.obj~3/RELEASE_PPC
*********

Mon Aug 22 12:09:42 2005
panic(cpu 0 caller 0x000A8B98): Uncorrectable machine check: pc = 000000002CD3FD0C, msr = 0000000000049030, dsisr = 40000000, dar = 00000000EFFFCF10
AsyncSrc = 0000000000000000, CoreFIR = 0000000000000000
L2FIR = 0000000000000000, BusFir = 0000000000000000

Latest stack backtrace for cpu 0:
Backtrace:
0x00095544 0x00095A5C 0x0002683C 0x000A8B98 0x000A7E28 0x000ABB00
Proceeding back via exception chain:
Exception state (sv=0x2CD61000)
PC=0x2CD3FD0C; MSR=0x00049030; DAR=0xEFFFCF10; DSISR=0x40000000; LR=0x2CD45308; R1=0x17F03CD0; XCP=0x00000008 (0x200 - Machine check)
Backtrace:
0x002CD468 0x2CD45308 0x2CD3F3B8 0x2CD45D24 0x0003C738 0x000A9694
Kernel loadable modules in backtrace (with dependencies):
com.apple.iokit.IOATAFamily(1.6.0f2)@0x2cd39000
Exception state (sv=0x2D803280)
PC=0x00000000; MSR=0x0000D030; DAR=0x00000000; DSISR=0x00000000; LR=0x00000000; R1=0x00000000; XCP=0x00000000 (Unknown)

Kernel version:
Darwin Kernel Version 8.2.0: Fri Jun 24 17:46:54 PDT 2005; root:xnu-792.2.4.obj~3/RELEASE_PPC
 

mkrishnan

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Jan 9, 2004
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BiggeeC said:
Kernel loadable modules in backtrace (with dependencies):
com.apple.iokit.IOATAFamily(1.6.0f2)@0x2cd3f000

Well, all of your KP's have this module in the backtrace. That module is responsible for communicating with the ATA bus -- i.e. the hard disk controller. Big surprise, I guess. But it confirms that it is because of putting the hard disk to sleep / waking it up that you have trouble.

Also look at your console log -- I'm not sure how it works, if it gets scratched as soon as you reboot -- but if you can find an entry right before you get the panic, you can probably find out more about what it was trying to do -- specifically, whether things went awry putting it to sleep, or waking it up.

One thing I would also try in the meantime is to fsck the hard disk. You can do that by either booting into single user mode and running fsck -fy, or booting off the install / OS CD/DVD and running Disk Utility, and using the Repair Disk option. One possibility is that there is a logical problem with the hard disk that is causing the system to freak out when you try to put it to sleep.

The other major options I can think of are that your HD or ATA controller are going bad, or that you have a corrupt kernel module. If it's the first, you can replace it. If it's the second...I'm not actually sure what you can do, except maybe buy a bootable enclosure for your drive and move the drive out of the Mac and into it, so that it's not using the built-in ATA controller. If it's the third, you can try re-installing the OS. Probably with a hard disk reformat to be safe.
 

BiggeeC

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Jun 23, 2002
116
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Gaithersburg, MD
mkrishnan, thanks alot. I'm going to try what you suggested. I'm coming to think it definatly is something w/ my HD because I fooled around with it the past few hours, and when I select "put hard disks to sleep..." and then it goes to sleep, that's when I have my problems. I just don't know how to read all that technical stuff. Thanks again.
 

BiggeeC

macrumors regular
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Jun 23, 2002
116
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Gaithersburg, MD
Ok mkrishan, I did everything you told me to do. Still crashing. Here's the latest info after it crashed:

panic(cpu 0 caller 0x000A8B98): Uncorrectable machine check: pc = 0000000000538D0C, msr = 0000000000049030, dsisr = 0A000000, dar = 0000000002815200
AsyncSrc = 0000000000000000, CoreFIR = 0000000000000000
L2FIR = 0000000000000000, BusFir = 00000000fffc7000

Latest stack backtrace for cpu 0:
Backtrace:
0x00095544 0x00095A5C 0x0002683C 0x000A8B98 0x000A7E28 0x000ABB00
Proceeding back via exception chain:
Exception state (sv=0x33FDC780)
PC=0x00538D0C; MSR=0x00049030; DAR=0x02815200; DSISR=0x0A000000; LR=0x0053E308; R1=0x173B3CD0; XCP=0x00000008 (0x200 - Machine check)
Backtrace:
0x002CD468 0x0053E308 0x005383B8 0x0053ED24 0x0003C738 0x000A9694
Kernel loadable modules in backtrace (with dependencies):
com.apple.iokit.IOATAFamily(1.6.0f2)@0x532000
Exception state (sv=0x33FCD780)
PC=0x00000000; MSR=0x0000D030; DAR=0x00000000; DSISR=0x00000000; LR=0x00000000; R1=0x00000000; XCP=0x00000000 (Unknown)

Kernel version:
Darwin Kernel Version 8.2.0: Fri Jun 24 17:46:54 PDT 2005; root:xnu-792.2.4.obj~3/RELEASE_PPC
Model: PowerMac3,1, BootROM 4.2.8f1, 1 processors, PowerPC G4 (2.6), 400 MHz, 1 GB
Graphics: ATY,Rage128, ATY,Rage128, AGP, 16 MB
Memory Module: DIMM0/J21, 512 MB, SDRAM, PC133-333
Memory Module: DIMM1/J22, 512 MB, SDRAM, PC133-322
Modem: Spring, UCJ, V.90, 3.0F, APPLE VERSION 0001, 4/7/1999
Network Service: Built-in Ethernet, Ethernet, en0
PCI Card: firewire, ieee1394, SLOT-B
Parallel ATA Device: ST3160023A, 128 GB
Parallel ATA Device: SONY DVD RW DW-Q28A,
USB Device: USB Receiver, Logitech, Up to 1.5 Mb/sec, 500 mA
USB Device: Hub in Apple Pro Keyboard, Mitsumi Electric, Up to 12 Mb/sec, 500 mA
USB Device: Apple Pro Keyboard, Mitsumi Electric, Up to 12 Mb/sec, 250 mA
 

mkrishnan

Moderator emeritus
Jan 9, 2004
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Grand Rapids, MI, USA
When you did fsck or disk repair, what did it say about your HD? And you have verified SMART status, when you open disk utility, right?

Hmmmm... Dunno. I guess it *might* be worth it to try reformatting the drive, if that's feasible. But ugh.
 
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