Mac desktop.. which one?

Discussion in 'Buying Tips and Advice' started by Isamilis, Jul 8, 2017.

  1. Isamilis macrumors 6502

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    Hi everyone,

    I am looking for desktop to replace my old 2010 iMac (its board is burned due to heat). However, I still want to stick with OSX, with its simplicity and robustness. I come with few options:

    - iMac - which potentially got heated and burned again. Also, once the board got problem, the screen is useless even it still functional and vice versa
    - Mac mini - which never been get updated since 2014
    - Hackintosh - difficult to setup and I am not familiar with hardware and component
    - Others?

    What do you guys think for mac desktop alternative today? I plan to use the desktop for my kids - to support their school assignment (high school), a bit of video editing and gaming (sometime). Also the budget should be no more than $2,000.

    Thanks for the advices.
     
  2. ZapNZs macrumors 68020

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    Do you have a preference on screen size or resolution?
    Are you open to refurbished?
     
  3. jaduff46, Jul 9, 2017
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    jaduff46 macrumors regular

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    I have the same machine and vintage which has served me well. The screen is wonderful even being non-Retina. When it eventually goes I'll replace it with the same, but with SSD. Don't know about the budget constraints of 2K, but i'd go for 27" rather than 21".

    Kids are older but had laptops beginning in college and all have MBPs now.
    John
     
  4. ApfelKuchen macrumors 68030

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    Do you have an idea why the first iMac got overheated and burned? All Macs have thermal sensors that should shutdown the Mac before it overheats and burns.

    I understand the human tendency to avoid repeating yesterday's disaster, but the usage you described for the new computer should not over-stress an iMac. If the kids will be using it in a room that meets Apple's environmental standards, I would not expect the same failure to happen again.

    I certainly wouldn't build a Hackintosh for the kids - it's not going to be a maintenance-free solution. It will take a lot of time and effort to design and build, and in the end, the thermal engineering of that Hackintosh may be no better (or even worse) than the thermal engineering of an iMac. You'd be doing a lot of work just to avoid the work (or cost) of a repair that, in most circumstances, is unlikely to reoccur.

    The thermal engineering and repairability of an iMac is similar to that of a laptop, so if repair-avoidance was your primary concern, forget about the laptop.

    If you're concerned about liquid spills (as any parent might), any CPU configuration that separates the "box" from the spill site (whether elevated like an iMac, or physically separated like a Mini or Hackintosh tower) is preferable to a laptop - it's cheaper to replace a keyboard than to possibly replace every internal component of the computer.

    I'm an iMac fan. I currently have four in the house, more in the office. The oldest currently running is an early 2008, which has been in constant-on operation for most of the last 9+ years. It's had its software issues (but then, I've run a lot of OS X betas on it), but it's never needed a hardware repair (it still has its original HDD). In fact, only one of all the iMacs I've owned/maintained (including the retired G5's) needed a hardware repair - and that was for the display tilt hinge (late 2013 27" iMac, a known issue with that model that Apple fixed at no charge).

    Now, one person's experience is not a statistically valid sample, even with the number of iMacs I've had (if I was back in IT management and had far larger numbers of machines to administer, my experience might be more valid). Statistical variation being what it is, a lucky person can continue to be lucky, an unlucky person can be unlucky again. So, I can't promise you another iMac would be trouble-free. All I can say is I wouldn't hesitate to buy another (and another) for my personal use or business.
     
  5. krause734 macrumors 6502

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    Mac Standalone Desktops have been abandoned. I would look at Dell Towers or Intel NUCs. If your kids want to get into programming at all they'll want Windows. I wouldn't wait to see what Apple replaces the Mac Pro/Mini with. Who knows when they'll do it.
     
  6. blomadam macrumors newbie

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    The statement about programming and Windows seems too general for my taste. I know many happy programmers who have never been tempted by Windows (as well as some who prefer it). I encourage anyone seeking to learn to program to use the system they are familiar with, as automating tasks there are likely to be the most fulfilling and easiest to plan out. Worry about generalizing the skill set after mastering the basics in a comfortable environment.
     
  7. SaSaSushi macrumors 68040

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    A) Apple has already announced what they're replacing the Mac Pro with and B) the iMac is a standalone desktop.
     
  8. ApfelKuchen macrumors 68030

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    Agreed!

    However, getting certain people to call an iMac (or laptop) a "standalone desktop" is like getting a "real man" to eat a broccoli quiche. To them, the only "real computer" is a whopping big tower (taller than it is wide, iykwim) with a separate display made by a company other than the maker of the CPU. The kind who might have been happier with the Trashcan, if only it had been taller (say, tall enough to accommodate a pair of standard PCIe video cards around the chimney stack). I'm sure there's someone out there who wishes that iPhones came with separate displays, too. Mix and match, like traditional component Hi Fi. Proof of how discerning they must be.

    OK, someone is going to shout back, "A Mini would be fine, if it was at least as powerful as a 5K iMac and was as upgradable as earlier Minis" - I won't argue, but I'm willing to bet that it would still be a niche product - most iMac and laptop buyers want the convenience and footprint of an all-in-one. The displays look great, the computers perform very well... to say there's (perhaps) a better display out there would be NIT-picking.

    We can forget that the original Mac was an all-in-one, that the return to the all-in-one form factor with iMac revived the company's fortunes, or that laptops are popular for good, practical reasons. No, the people who honestly prefer all-in-ones (including iPads) are just stupid, mass-market consumers, who wouldn't know a real computer if it terra-flopped right on top of them. Apple is better off without them. /s
     
  9. Samuelsan2001 macrumors 604

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    It seems that you GPU died, (you don't state that specifically but I am trying to read between the lines) the move to lead free solder caused all sorts of problems for both Nvidia and AMD graphics cards around that time and many computers using them died from heat cracking the solder. This is no longer an issue, yours lasted longer than many, that simple really.

    Buy whatever you want it will make little difference to you, your use case is incredibly simple and undemanding (depending on the games you play of course) but just about any modern computing device from a smart phone to a mac pro could perform that with ease.
     
  10. krause734 macrumors 6502

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    Yes, but when? The Mac Pro is 4 years old. It's too late for many users. They have neglected it and the Mini for too long. Not everyone wants an All In One iMac. If I needed a desktop today, I certainly wouldn't buy anything from Apple.
     
  11. Fuchal macrumors 68020

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    The majority (but not all) of the software and web developers that I know would disagree.
     
  12. SaSaSushi macrumors 68040

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    December, 2017

    The key word here being "I".
     
  13. krause734 macrumors 6502

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    December, 2017? I wouldn't get your hopes up.
    Most on here don't recommend buying a Mac Mini/Pro. They are 3/4 years old. Ancient in computer time.
    If you want to waste your money on an overpriced iMac go ahead.
    AAPL is approaching $1 Trillion Market Cap.
     
  14. SaSaSushi, Jul 10, 2017
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    SaSaSushi macrumors 68040

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    I directly answered your question about the release of the Mac Pro replacement. The iMac Pro is going to be released in December, 2017.

    Actually, I got a very good deal on my new iMac, thank you.
     
  15. Isamilis thread starter macrumors 6502

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    I have no preference on screen size. However, refurbished are not sold in my country.
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    Hi thank you for the response. I have iMac 2010. The overheated is because of my kids play game using Parallels Desktop, which make the iMac very hot and worst, my kids did not aware and just let the game open for few days until it goes burned. I replaced the board, but almost the same case happened again.
    Lesson learned, don't ever let them play game in virtual environment; it would be much better using bootcamp instead. Second lesson, it would be safer if I didnt use integrated CPU+display. Display will be useless if the CPU is broken.

    Again, thanks for your long response. I still haven't made my mind though...

     
  16. Nateamus84 macrumors newbie

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    My Brother is a programmer. He likes Windows but his company has him using a Mac Book, at least for when he travels.
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    If it is for school work and some video editing the 21inc/ 4k imac 2015 should be good for what you want it for. . The new 2017 has more processing power and added graphics chip (used to only have HD graphics built into CPU) and fusion drive and replaceable RAM. However it is a bit of a tear down project to get to the RAM.
     

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