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Flekoun

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I will be getting a 128SSD mini and I already have 512 SSD External drive with TB3 support (Samsung X5 Portable).
Now I am wondering. Should I use the external drive as a boot drive? Or should I keep the OS on internal 128 SSD disk and try to store all other data on external 512 SSD drive?
Which is a better solution?
 
Not sure why you'd want to do the latter. FWIW my ‘18 Mini holds the OS, apps and some small document files. All my other data (photos, video, music) is on an external drive, with a second ext. drive holding a backup of the other two drives.
I have yet another ext. drive that backs it all up and is swapped out periodically with one that's kept offsite at the bank.
 
The X5 will boot and run almost as fast (faster?) as the Mini's internal drive.
However... the X5 may run on the hot side under heavy usage.

If it was me...
I'd set up the internal drive as the primary boot drive.
I'd put applications on it, but keep my account folder "trimmed down" -- large libraries of stuff (movies, music, pics) on an external drive (you already have the drive to do this).

Then...
I'd PARTITION the external drive.
1st partition would be about 110-120gb. I'd use either CarbonCopyCloner or SuperDuper to clone the internal boot drive to the "backup boot" partition on the X5.
2nd partition would be "whatever's left" (about 380gb). On this partition I would keep large libraries, etc.

Now... with things set up this way...
You can use either CCC or SD to maintain "the backup bootable clone" on the X5.
You can also use CCC or SD to create a backup of the second partition on another drive (could be HDD or SSD).

Thus....
You're fully backed up, with an immediately-accessible bootable backup if you ever have troubles booting from the internal
(but you're NEVER going to have them.... right....?)
 
Close this one up, after two excellent responses confirming your use of the internal SSD. Up until a few years ago, I operated all my computers on 120GB SSDs, mainly due to the expense. I just made sure to store all data elsewhere. While I don't always agree with Fishrrman, I know he is a very experienced commentator on this forum. My instructions would be identical to his. Boot from the internal, but make sure there's less than 80GB (preferably<60) to be sure your macOS has room for a swap file. I use SuperDuper, but have used CCC, both work well. The later is $40, a very fair price, but SuperDuper will work the basic erase and clone for free. Then, for all the features, it's only $28. When I help friends or clients, downloading SuperDuper is usually the first step. I also recommend you create a second clone on a separate data drive, as over the last decade, I have needed both clones. Then, rotate the backup between clones, but be certain to boot from the clone to TEST it. The Shirt Pocket (company name for SuperDuper coder) guys, Dave, mainly, has helped me numerous times. The diagnostics are built in and you can send them and get back an email with directions. They have never let me down. I also use the optional "copy newer" feature for data backups, but mostly I use the Smart Copy feature which makes updating clones much faster than the normal (free) erase and clone. As an example, I have a Big Mac and a MBP. My cMP only goes to Mojave 10.14, so I also keep a copy of High Sierra 10.13 and two clones of each as well. I have a set of clones on an SSD (internal or external) and another set on an old HDD external. On the MacBook Pro 2012, I have a similar routine using Mojave and Catalina with a 500GB boot SSD and swapped out the DVD for a 750GB 2.5" HDD to store a clone and data.
 
I boot off a 2 terabyte 2500 m/s TB3 drive. runs smooth but I dont move the Mac or it may disconnect during use. I use the internal 128gb as a Bootcamp drive and created 500 GB of space for windows on the 2TB external. I also use another 1TB SSD as a time machine backup. all runs silent and cool. The Samsung X5 runs hot I was told and throttles on heavier loads so I built my own version of the X5.
 
Thanks a lot guys! This helped me to clarify it for me. I am now struggling to setup my mac mini....check my other thread..
 
I boot off a 2 terabyte 2500 m/s TB3 drive. runs smooth but I dont move the Mac or it may disconnect during use. I use the internal 128gb as a Bootcamp drive and created 500 GB of space for windows on the 2TB external. I also use another 1TB SSD as a time machine backup. all runs silent and cool. The Samsung X5 runs hot I was told and throttles on heavier loads so I built my own version of the X5.
That sounds okay, but why is your 2TB external getting 250MB/s? If it were a spindle, it should only be about 150 which is the maximum HDD speed, without a RAID0. (but that's unlikely since the latest macOS versions cannot use RAIDs to boot. If it were a SATA SSD on TB3, it should be getting about 500MB/s. Even at 250MB/s, that must be painfully slow in almost all phases of your use. Most of today's Macs are equipped with NVMe blades which run at about 3,000MB/s.
 
That sounds okay, but why is your 2TB external getting 250MB/s? If it were a spindle, it should only be about 150 which is the maximum HDD speed, without a RAID0. (but that's unlikely since the latest macOS versions cannot use RAIDs to boot. If it were a SATA SSD on TB3, it should be getting about 500MB/s. Even at 250MB/s, that must be painfully slow in almost all phases of your use. Most of today's Macs are equipped with NVMe blades which run at about 3,000MB/s.
2,500 megabytes per sec read. 1900 write
 
Okay, I was confusing the X5 with their USB3.1 gen2 external drives. I see that the X5 is an NVMe to TB3. It's a beautiful thing, but not cheap. When I hear 2TB external, I still think HDD not SSD and especially not NVMe SSD. No wonder it's so fast. I don't have TB on my cMP, so my fastest external is eSATA 3. On the other hand, all my data drives are HDDs. I have 5 drive-16TB RAID5 inside, a 4 drive-18TB RAID5 as my 1st backup and an WD 8TB USB3 as my second backup. My internal RAID is really fast (450 reads) for HDDs, not so much for the external with the port duplication or especially the WD 8 TB which is super slow, 30MB/s as I remember. BUT, this is all data backup which can be done at night. I have old SATA SSDs for making clones of my boots. I just use them bareback with the cables that convert it to USB 3.1 gen2, or the 6G eSATA with added power. However, with my cMP, I can use the NVMe drives, and have a 500GB 960EVO and a 1TB 970EVO on a PCI card that gives me PCI 3.0 speeds. My 970 gets 2.7GB/s reads and about 2.3GB/s reads for the 960, using Blackmagic Speed tool. I would rather build my own was you did, so I can switch out blades for my MacBook Pro. What did you use for an enclosure to get it to work with TB3. Unfortunately, I only have TB1, but that's still faster than SATA for the laptop that only has USB3 otherwise.
 
I will be getting a 128SSD mini and I already have 512 SSD External drive with TB3 support (Samsung X5 Portable).
Now I am wondering. Should I use the external drive as a boot drive? Or should I keep the OS on internal 128 SSD disk and try to store all other data on external 512 SSD drive?
Which is a better solution?

128 gig for boot.

Two more drives. External. 1 for apps. 1 for data.

You could have yet another as an external back up boot drive should you main boot go down.

The mini. How many TB ports does it have? 4? 1 for display. Use the other 3 for the apps, data and another back up Mac OS boot.

2 1TB drives for apps and data. £200 quid. 1 512 gig SSD. Little coin. For external OS boot.

Azrael.
 
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