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You just said: ALL Apple computers suffer from thermal throttling.

Which is not true, as represented by Apple's 2015 4GHz i7 5K iMac, a computer I own and use. If you were an engineer, you'd understand that really is outstanding engineering.

You're just not using it right ;)
 
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I am still confused with what I can do with the ports. E.g. this SSD drive
https://www.lacie.com/products/portable-ssd/

Can I use it with the new Mac mini? It says USB-C and not Thunderbolt 3. Is it the same?

Thunderbolt 3 is backwards compatible with all older usb versions. You can connect any usb device to a thunderbolt port. So, yes you can connect the external SSD drive in the link to it. Older SSD drives with a USB-A connector might need a dongle (USB-A to USB-C).

'USB-C' only says something about the shape of the usb plug, but nothing about what kind of USB it supports or if it supports charging etc.

I know it can be confusing.
Here is some more information:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB-C
 
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That's always been Apple. Steve Jobs did not want people opening up Macs. He viewed computers as appliances. How many people open up their microwave to upgrade parts? I'm not one to trot out "Steve Jobs..." but the Mac Mini's limited upgradability by users is in line with Apple's design philosophy for 40 years (minus some of the years post- and pre-Steve Jobs).

A $15 toaster is an appliance. A $1000, $2000, $3000, $4000 computer is not, it's an investment, unless he had plans to make computers for $15.
 
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You just said: ALL Apple computers suffer from thermal throttling.

Which is not true, as represented by Apple's 2015 4GHz i7 5K iMac, a computer I own and use. If you were an engineer, you'd understand that really is outstanding engineering.

FTFY: ALL Apple computers suffer from thermal throttling. *


* Except one.
 
is every journalist bought by Apple that no one is writing any critical article about the Mac Mini and complete Mac line.

Why is every one so happy to get a one year old 8th gen i7 instead of a 9th gen i7 with 8 Cores.
If i spend thousands of euros or dollars, I want to have the newest hardware with a great dedicated graphic card.
The enthusiasm for the 4 Thunderbolt 3 ports, reminds me the articles of the Mac Pro in 2013. But at the end it was a dead end that is still sold for an incredible prize. For me that are just 4 USB ports - should be that standard for a desktop PC?

I really like macOS as an operating system, I love to use it, but unfortunately Apple destroying it with no strategy in the Mac line. Mostly old hardware for too high prices.

Because right now, a 9th Generation Core i7 w/ 8 Cores/8 Threads is a 95w TDP part and that is not going to work inside the Mac mini's chassis for at least three (3) different reasons. Cooling, power, availability.

A 65w TDP BGA (soldered) part has not been or even announced outside of confidential Intel roadmaps and a release will most likely not be until April of 2019. Intel can barely keep up with demand for 14nm parts now as it is and even halted production on the H310 PCH in order to make sure the other 14nm 300-Series chipsets (Z390, H370 and B360) would not be impacted.

At this price point ($1299 for the Core i7 BTO option), you are getting quite a bit of performance. I am sure that we will hear way more about the virtues and vices of the Mac mini moving forward from those who decide to go that route.

If you want a dedicated GPU, you can either get an eGPU or build yourself a Windows PC/Hackintosh.

The Late 2013 Mac Pro was dead end because the market pivoted from multiple GPUs working together to a single powerful GPU...Apple bet wrong and paid the price. Most of us here would agree that it was a low point in the life of the Mac Pro line and could have possibly been corrected WAY sooner. I wish it had been, but it is what it is.

Given that, there are still many happy 2013 Mac Pro owners out there, whose machines are happily chugging along, getting stuff done.

If the four (4) Thunderbolt 3 ports are just USB ports to you...well, that is your issue, not mine. Having access of up to 160Gbps of aggregate bandwidth, while still having the choice to repurpose a TB3 port as USB-C Gen 2 with 10Gbps of bandwidth for cheaper peripherals or if I need more than two USB 3.0 Type-A ports is of great value to me. So is the option of upgrading to 10Gbps Ethernet.

I am pretty sure that Apple is going to sell quite a few Mac minis moving forward.
 
Everyone having a tizzy about being able to swap out the standard 8GB of RAM with 16GB on their own because they'll be damned if they'll pay the "Apple tax" haven't priced out memory.

Buying 16GB (2x8) DIMMS somewhere else, then going to all the trouble to take apart the mini to install it yourself — all to save $30 is rediculous.

If you want 32GB or 64GB, well then you could save some good money. But 16? Not worth thinking about.
 
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Thunderbolt 3 is backwards compatible with all older usb versions. You can connect any usb device to a thunderbolt port. So, yes you can connect the external SSD drive to it. Older SSD drives with a USB-A connector might need a dongle (USB-A to USB-C).

'USB-C' only says something about the shape of the usb plug.

I know it can be confusing.
Here is some more information:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB-C

Thanks ! I am really confused by it and I know I cannot remember this stuff more a longer time. I guess in some month I forgot again what works with
 
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While I knew people that where complaining about the lack of updates to the mini were complaining for complaining sake I’m gonna voice some reason here.

I bought my mini in 2014. I spec’ed up the base model and the price was roughly 1.1k. I just spec’ed this model to what I would have if I was in the same situation as I was back in 2014. Guess what? It’s $50 or so more expensive. I lose 3/4ths of storage that I don’t use now anyways. But I would gain extremely fast storage compared to by HDD and usb-c ports for 4K content. The mini is priced just right if you know how to purchase it.

That isn't making a good case. Four years on, you should be getting a lot more tech for your money. Losing 3/4 of your storage is also a huge issue as you cannot get back to the same point without spending a load more money. Bog standard HDMI should be fine for 4K content.
 
Does anyone know if this Mac mini supports DisplayPort 1.2 daisy chaining? Or am I going to have to drive one of my 3 monitors with HDMI? It would work, but a single TB3 port can handle the resolutions I am driving, 2 @ 1920x1200 and 1 @ 2560x1440.

If not, it's a disappointment.

TB3 ports carry DP1.2 streams, and https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT206587 mentions Multi-stream transport (MST) which allows display daisy-chaining, but it's not really clear to me if it's supported for what you want to do. I wanted to do similar (2 4K on a single TB3 port with a simple DP adapter). I haven't got a satisfactory answer so I bought an OWC TB3 to Dual DP breakout box.
 
You get a USB SSD, right? I‘ll wager that Apple goes for the best-performing SATA-SSDs for a reason: APFS and their software pipeline. :)

Actually the NVME SSDs of today routinely perform at > 3000 MBps. Samsung 2TB SSD NVME goes for about $560 on Amazon. Apple used to have that special sauce with the first and second gen PCIe SSDs, but that was like 4 years ago. The market caught up and then some.
 
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Don't understand how they can justify $1600 dollars for a 2TB SSD when you can buy one for $300ish on amazon. In a Macbook I get that it's integrated to make it small and portable but no-one gives a crap about this being half and inch bigger if it would save them > $1000. Apple's storage premium is getting more and more ridiculous. Look at the iPads for more insanity.
 
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Because right now, a 9th Generation Core i7 w/ 8 Cores/8 Threads is a 95w TDP part and that is not going to work inside the Mac mini's chassis for at least three (3) different reasons. Cooling, power, availability.

A 65w TDP BGA (soldered) part has not been or even announced outside of confidential Intel roadmaps and a release will most likely not be until April of 2019. Intel can barely keep up with demand for 14nm parts now as it is and even halted production on the H310 PCH in order to make sure the other 14nm 300-Series chipsets (Z390, H370 and B360) would not be impacted.

At this price point ($1299 for the Core i7 BTO option), you are getting quite a bit of performance. I am sure that we will hear way more about the virtues and vices of the Mac mini moving forward from those who decide to go that route.

If you want a dedicated GPU, you can either get an eGPU or build yourself a Windows PC/Hackintosh.

The Late 2013 Mac Pro was dead end because the market pivoted from multiple GPUs working together to a single powerful GPU...Apple bet wrong and paid the price. Most of us here would agree that it was a low point in the life of the Mac Pro line and could have possibly been corrected WAY sooner. I wish it had been, but it is what it is.

Given that, there are still many happy 2013 Mac Pro owners out there, whose machines are happily chugging along, getting stuff done.

If the four (4) Thunderbolt 3 ports are just USB ports to you...well, that is your issue, not mine. Having access of up to 160Gbps of aggregate bandwidth, while still having the choice to repurpose a TB3 port as USB-C Gen 2 with 10Gbps of bandwidth for cheaper peripherals or if I need more than two USB 3.0 Type-A ports is of great value to me. So is the option of upgrading to 10Gbps Ethernet.

I am pretty sure that Apple is going to sell quite a few Mac minis moving forward.
Somehow Apple always manages to find an excuse not to use the best CPUs (and GPUs to that matter).
 
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So now you're resorting to making stuff up. Read up a bit.
I'm using an old Steve Jobs quote and implying you're not maybe using it for CPU intensive tasks. All Macs have poor cooling capabilities because they were designed that way. Do some research and you'll realise ALL Macs suffer from thermal throttling to some extent (do you even now what TT is?)
 
Hey Apple, wondering why Mac sales have been flat? You can start at the 300% markup for flash memory upgrades. $1400 to go from 256GB to 2TB? You can easily have a 2TB NVME chip below $500 at wholesale, yet you're charging 3X that!? Thankfully the memory is still upgradeable.

At some point, even the most affluent customers that are plugged into your ecosystem see this practice as gouging and draw the line.

Well said.

From my perspective Apple has been playing a potentially dangerous game lately. It's simply economics.

If 100x people will buy your product at Y price point, you can increase the price to 2Y and perhaps 60x will still buy... maintaining revenue and increasing profit. Increase it again to 4Y and 35x will buy... Increase it again to 6Y and 20x will buy... But do this enough times and you'll end up with zero 'base' market and an uncertain future.

Is that were Apple is now? I wouldn't bet on it. But that is one possible future.
 
Everyone having a tizzy about being able to swap out the standard 8GB of RAM with 16GB on their own because they'll be damned if they'll pay the "Apple tax" haven't priced out memory.

Buying 16GB (2x8) DIMMS somewhere else, then going to all the trouble to take apart the mini to install it yourself — all to save $30 is rediculous.

If you want 32GB or 64GB, well then you could save some good money. But 16? Not worth thinking about.

It's also ridiculously privileged of you to think that saving $30 is ridiculous, not value or good financial sense. Waste it if you want.
 
The old mac minis used to throttle (temps up to 90 degrees). There isn't enough cooling in these tiny machines. It's basic engineering. The iMac Pro has far more advanced cooling and that has throttling issues. Apple just need to add an AIO cooler and it would solve these issues but they prefer to have quiet fans instead so the design isn't compromised.

https://appleinsider.com/articles/17/12/29/video-does-the-imac-pro-get-too-hot-when-under-load (read the last paragraph)
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/7068280
Supposedly, they have really addressed the thermals in this unit. Read the Tom's Hardware review.
 
Toms hardware review covers this. They say under load it runs cool. 10 degrees cooler than the MacBook pro. And much cooler than other small form factor PC's. If I remember right they said 85c which isn't bad at all.
To be frank, I'm not happy with 85°C. In summer the roomtemp may rise to 28°C (83°F) or so. IMHO any equipped should be able to run thermally stable at full load even at 30°C (85°F). I own a 2011 Server Mini -and the heatsink & cooling there is definitely insufficient. It's not just the cooler that needs to have enough surface, but in my opinion on a desktop there should be a decent copperblock on top of the CPU acting as thermal capacitor which absorbs any spikes, keeping the CPU at a more constant temperature.

The old mac minis used to throttle (temps up to 90 degrees). There isn't enough cooling in these tiny machines. It's basic engineering.
Actually, it shouldn't be a big deal. A 35W CPU (?) should be quite easy to cool, especially if the 2 2,5" drives are no more (=enough space). Also, Apple could get creative, like Microsoft did on the surface Pro 4 with the cooling pad as part of the heatpipe cooling system. Unfortunately, proper thermal engineering doesn't seem to be one of Apples skills.
 
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