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I have a 2010 mini 2.4 Ghz Processor Intel Core 2 Duo.... Was looking to get a NEW mini, but to me (non tech) it looks like for 2017 the processor speed has not progressed much...I could get a 2014 2.6 or 2.8 Ghz processor but is it really worth it...

First its a 2014 model... 3 years OLD... what am I missing...

HOW much faster would a 2.6 Ghz processor be compared to my 2.4...

Has the process architecture changed such that a 2.4 processor 2010 vs a 2014 processor is much slower?

Im trying to understand....
 
I have a 2010 mini 2.4 Ghz Processor Intel Core 2 Duo.... Was looking to get a NEW mini, but to me (non tech) it looks like for 2017 the processor speed has not progressed much...I could get a 2014 2.6 or 2.8 Ghz processor but is it really worth it...

First its a 2014 model... 3 years OLD... what am I missing...

HOW much faster would a 2.6 Ghz processor be compared to my 2.4...

Has the process architecture changed such that a 2.4 processor 2010 vs a 2014 processor is much slower?

Im trying to understand....


The big jump came from 2010 -> 2011 Mini's. The 2010 uses the old intel core arch, while the 2011 uses the new core arch (sandybridge 2nd gen arch, it's the core i3/i5/i7 ones). That put the 2011 at around a 50% speed increase over the 2010. The 2014 boosts that a little more (haswell 4th gen arch) to around 60% or so faster than the 2010 Mini

The bigger question is, what does that get you? My 2010 will glitch every once in a while when playing 1080p video. It's just almost got enough power to do it glitch free. My 2011 can play 1080p video without glitches and do a lot more at the same time
 
Understand a new Mini is likely to come to market soon.

The 2.6 processor is not much faster, but the Video, memory and disk access are.
  • Memory (1066MHz) is now 1600MHz and 2010 maxed out at 8GB, the current model can be ordered with 16GB.
  • The VRAM was 256MB in the 2010 model, now 1.5GB.
  • Disk was 3Gbps SATA2, now 6Gbps SATA3.
If you swap an SSD or SSHD into the drive slot on a 2014 model, and get at least 8GB RAM, it should be a pretty noticeable speed difference.
 
These days, clock speeds don't change much from year to year. Clock speeds for CPUs have stabilized in part because higher clock speeds use more power and generate more heat, not necessarily with greater benefit. Most users aren't doing the kind of sustained CPU usage that would benefit from substantially faster clock speeds - it's mostly short bursts of activity and long periods of quiet. Some of the biggest changes in the pipeline are the use of AR/VR - but that work isn't done in the CPU, it's happening in GPU.

Architecture changes more frequently, and that's where most of the improvements lie.

Benchmark tests bear this out. Your 2010 Mini (2.4 GHz) has Geekbench scores of 1506 (single-core)/2452 (multi-core). The 2014 Mini with the 1.4 GHz CPU has scores of of 2995/5322 (double the performance, at nearly half the clock speed). The 2014 with 2.6 GHz CPU has a score of 3384/6412, and the 2.8 GHz scores at 3558/6714.

As others have noted, the big change in performance over the past decade comes from moving from spinning hard disks to SSD.

Otherwise? Yeah, 2014 is the current Mini model. There are plenty of folks waiting for a upgrade/update with no hints that it's going to happen, but you never know what will happen tomorrow.
 
You can't compare clock speed between the Core2Duo chips and Core-i chips, it's irrelevant. Look at the geekbench ratings

http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/mac_mini/specs/mac-mini-core-2-duo-2.4-mid-2010-specs.html
http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/mac_mini/specs/mac-mini-core-i5-2.6-late-2014-specs.html


The 2014 mini should be 3x faster.

I have a 2.4 ghz Core2Duo 2008 MBP and a 1.7ghz i7 2013 MBA. The MBA is more than twice as fast as the old MBP. But the really impressive gain is ripping a DVD. Would take 75 minutes to rip a one hour B/W TV show on the Core2Duo machine. Takes about 15 minutes with the i7. T think this is the "turbo" mode at work. :)
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Understand a new Mini is likely to come to market soon.

What is your source for that? I think it's equally likely they will discontinue the Mini. ;)
 
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What is your source for that? I think it's equally likely they will discontinue the Mini.

Rumors, agreed that it is also likely no more Mini models. But, we should know soon... the Mini is the affordable Mac and Apple is trying to reach lower price points with a lot of products to expand markets. Mini serves a great purpose in this regard and probably has a place at the table for some time to come.
 
Will Apple (finally) update the Mac mini? We don't know. What we do know is that Intel just released their 8th-generation Core processors and that would be a perfect time for Apple to update the Mac Mini and MacBook Air.
 
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It could be good idea to tell Apple that the Mac Mini is important, and to explain why. Each of us can have a different use: for me, it a GOOD and SMALL computer, that can be placed under the desk to free up space. So, if we all send an email to Apple with some short motivation to buy "the next Mac Mini", may be they will consider an update… Just my opinion as a consumer.
 
I think it's equally likely they will discontinue the Mini. ;)
What is your source for that?

The demise of the Mac Mini has been predicted to be imminent for more than a decade now……

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/c2d-mac-mini-next-tuesday.315077/

Netcraft confirms that Mac Mini is dead!

/https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/where-are-the-mini-replacement-rumors.314711/

Latest news has been Appleinsider saying that the Mini was going to be discontinued.
and yet earlier this year

Mac mini is an "important" product and won't be cancelled anytime soon, according to Apple marketing chief Phil Schiller.

http://appleinsider.com/articles/17/04/04/apples-mac-mini-an-important-product-staying-in-lineup


What evidence is there to suggest that the Mac Mini will be discontinued?
 
What is your source for that?

Please read what was written. @techwarrior wrote "a new Mini is likely to come to market soon". That's a statement, so it's reasonable to ask for a source.

Then I wrote "I think it's equally likely they will discontinue the Mini." That's an opinion, so obviously the "source" is what I personally believe.

And anyway, @techwarrior followed up saying that his source was just rumors and he agreed Apple is equally likely to discontinue it.

Don't get me wrong, I think Apple should bring out a new Mini. I just have my doubts that they will. Would love to be proven wrong. But it'll take a new Mini to do that, not some meaningless old quote from Phil. ;)
 
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These days, clock speeds don't change much from year to year. Clock speeds for CPUs have stabilized in part because higher clock speeds use more power and generate more heat, not necessarily with greater benefit. Most users aren't doing the kind of sustained CPU usage that would benefit from substantially faster clock speeds - it's mostly short bursts of activity and long periods of quiet. Some of the biggest changes in the pipeline are the use of AR/VR - but that work isn't done in the CPU, it's happening in GPU.

Architecture changes more frequently, and that's where most of the improvements lie.

Benchmark tests bear this out. Your 2010 Mini (2.4 GHz) has Geekbench scores of 1506 (single-core)/2452 (multi-core). The 2014 Mini with the 1.4 GHz CPU has scores of of 2995/5322 (double the performance, at nearly half the clock speed). The 2014 with 2.6 GHz CPU has a score of 3384/6412, and the 2.8 GHz scores at 3558/6714.

As others have noted, the big change in performance over the past decade comes from moving from spinning hard disks to SSD.

Otherwise? Yeah, 2014 is the current Mini model. There are plenty of folks waiting for a upgrade/update with no hints that it's going to happen, but you never know what will happen tomorrow.

Thank You , that helped a lot...
 
These days, clock speeds don't change much from year to year.

Not sure if I understand this. I agree they haven't changed much between, say 2013 and 2014 or 2014 vs 2015. But the jump from 2010 core2duo to 2014 core-i is substantial.

The benchmarks that you and I posted show the 2.6ghz Mini is almost three times faster than the OP's 2010 mini. I get your point about most people not really needing additional speed, but it really depends on what your needs are. For example, ripping a dvd or encoding video that you shot will make good use of the additional geekbench score. These tasks are pretty common for many users. My own tests between a 2012 quad and 2012 base mini showed render times to be proportional to geekbench ratings.

And as I posted earlier, handbrake render times were dramatically improved between a core 2 duo machines and core i machines. I believe this is due to the the turbo mode that was introduced in core i. I saw over 4x render speed improvement between a core 2 duo machine and core i7 machine even though the geekbench score was only 2x faster.
 
Not sure if I understand this. I agree they haven't changed much between, say 2013 and 2014 or 2014 vs 2015. But the jump from 2010 core2duo to 2014 core-i is substantial.

The benchmarks that you and I posted show the 2.6ghz Mini is almost three times faster than the OP's 2010 mini. I get your point about most people not really needing additional speed, but it really depends on what your needs are. For example, ripping a dvd or encoding video that you shot will make good use of the additional geekbench score. These tasks are pretty common for many users. My own tests between a 2012 quad and 2012 base mini showed render times to be proportional to geekbench ratings.

And as I posted earlier, handbrake render times were dramatically improved between a core 2 duo machines and core i machines. I believe this is due to the the turbo mode that was introduced in core i. I saw over 4x render speed improvement between a core 2 duo machine and core i7 machine even though the geekbench score was only 2x faster.

I think you're missing the difference between clock speed and performance. GeekBench is a measure of performance - how much work can be done, in how much time. Clock speed is only one component of performance. If no change is made to architecture, you would have to increase nominal clock speed by a factor of three in order to triple the speed of execution of the GeekBench tests (which a chip engineer would tell you is impractical). If the clock speed remains constant but the performance triples anyway, changes to other aspects of CPU architecture are responsible for the increase - the CPU accomplishes more work in each tick of the clock. Classic example (though not pertinent here) is a move from 32-bit to 64-bit architecture. Turbo mode is also a change to architecture, as is speed of the RAM bus (and the RAM it addresses). Size and number of on-CPU registers and buffers, dimensions of the die (speed of light)... all factors.

Further, GeekBench is a test of total system performance, not just raw CPU performance. So, matters like speed of mass storage and RAM also factor in.

In your example turbo mode may be responsible for a fair part of the improved speed of execution. Your experience disagrees with GeekBench (4x vs 2x), so one has to examine whether turbo mode is invoked by the test, and if it is invoked, what weight do turbo mode tasks have in the test results.

My guess is that turbo mode is not responsible for much of the Geekbench improvement. Turbo mode is intended for relatively short bursts of compute time - it generates far more heat, which must be dissipated, it draws far more power, which in laptops hurts battery life and in desktops may require larger power supplies. If turbo mode could be sustained at all times, then one could indeed increase the advertised clock speed for the CPU accordingly.

Clock speed is similar to engine RPM, in that it only tells a small part of the picture. Engines of all sizes may run at similar RPM, yet the results in power output can vary dramatically. Number of cylinders, displacement of those cylinders, efficiency of combustion, transmission and drive train design....
 
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Please read what was written. @techwarrior wrote "a new Mini is likely to come to market soon". That's a statement, so it's reasonable to ask for a source.

Then I wrote "I think it's equally likely they will discontinue the Mini." That's an opinion, so obviously the "source" is what I personally believe.

And anyway, @techwarrior followed up saying that his source was just rumors and he agreed Apple is equally likely to discontinue it.

Don't get me wrong, I think Apple should bring out a new Mini. I just have my doubts that they will. Would love to be proven wrong. But it'll take a new Mini to do that, not some meaningless old quote from Phil. ;)
Seems I did read correctly ….. You seek to convince others of your unsubstantiated opinion, and disdain for Apple executives who hint at anything to the contrary.

To the OP, if what you have continues to function adequately for your purposes, stick with it for now. If any part of it fails, decide if repair or replacement is more cost effective. Updates to the Mac Mini tend to be more about improving functionality than upping the specs. While current offerings may not satisfy the need for power of video makers on a budget, or desirous dilettantes, there is a range of models to suit a variety of other needs of folks who prefer use OS X / MacOS……

The Mac Mini is still with us. Despite scornful suggestions to the contrary by pundits and others, going back for ten years or so, it continues to fill a place in the Mac line-up, and an update could be in the offing.
 
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I have a 2010 mini 2.4 Ghz Processor Intel Core 2 Duo.... Was looking to get a NEW mini, but to me (non tech) it looks like for 2017 the processor speed has not progressed much...I could get a 2014 2.6 or 2.8 Ghz processor but is it really worth it...

First its a 2014 model... 3 years OLD... what am I missing...

HOW much faster would a 2.6 Ghz processor be compared to my 2.4...

Has the process architecture changed such that a 2.4 processor 2010 vs a 2014 processor is much slower?

Im trying to understand....


I have a 2010 mini and a 2012 MBA, ever since I upgraded the RAM on the Mini to 16Gb and installed an SSD I would say the experience is on par for a lite workload. Depending on your needs, I would say just upgrade the Mini and wait for an upgraded Mini to be released. If you do upgrade the RAM, make sure you get the correct type as the 2010 Mini will only work with very specific speeds.
 
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