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Mac Mini M2 Pro isn't as fast as I thought
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I can't speak to Linux but Windows is definitely not. I mean it isn't bad but it isn't as responsive as you make it out to be.
At least for the standalone versions (non-Cloud) of Office, after each boot, the first time you open an app, it loads/verifies/caches stuff which is very annoying.
I solved it by auto-starting an AppleScript that opens the apps in the background and closes them.
So when I actually need an Office app or double click a corresponding file, it opens almost instantly (and that is on +10 year old Intel Macs).
AppleScript:
do shell script "/usr/bin/open -j '/Applications/Microsoft Excel.app'"
do shell script "/usr/bin/open -j '/Applications/Microsoft Word.app'"
tell application "Microsoft Excel" to quit
tell application "Microsoft Word" to quit
Tbh I’ve hardly touched mine since getting it , end up using the iPad more and more which is surprising
I would disagree, if you have decent hardware Win 11 is very responsive.
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❓Will you please be so kind to help me understand what hardware level (CPU, RAM, SSD, etc.) is required to make MS Win 11 "very responsive"? ⚠️I am considering "loaded" Mac mini vs. "entry level" Studio, and, hopefully, your info will help me to make the right choice...
I think they meant running windows on a PC. Running it on a Mac is basically gone at this point. Apple silicon kinda stopped that.❓Will you please be so kind to help me understand what hardware level (CPU, RAM, SSD, etc.) is required to make MS Win 11 "very responsive"? ⚠️I am considering "loaded" Mac mini vs. "entry level" Studio, and, hopefully, your info will help me to make the right choice...
But overall, the studio would be a little better. Max instead of Pro chip, same ram, more ports.
My apologies, yes, I was speaking of a running Win 11 on a PC. I have never tried running it on a Mac as I have always had several computers in my office over the last 30 years.
I’m not disagreeing, I’ve got an X13 gen 2 with 32GB of RAM for my work computer.
It is kind of annoying how I’ve had to put the finance and accounting team on 24GB of RAM (vs stock 16GB) for their excel spreadsheets to not slow to a crawl….
MS now officially supports running Windows 11 on ARM via Parallels Desktop. I've never tried it but I heard it works quite well.
Chiming in here:
Haven't used an M series Mac before. I am surprised about the (lack of) snappiness for example in the system preferences - when i click from one section to another (like from Wi-Fi to Appearance), it takes a moment, i.e., it's not instant. M2Pro, 16GB, 1TB.
Haven't used an M series Mac before. I am surprised about the (lack of) snappiness for example in the system preferences - when i click from one section to another (like from Wi-Fi to Appearance), it takes a moment, i.e., it's not instant. M2Pro, 16GB, 1TB.
You are aware that every time you open an app, the Apple Servers are contacted?
macOS is checking if the certificate of the app is still valid. Basically it checks if it is still allowed to open the app.
(google ocsp.apple.com for more information about that)
If you are on a flaky WLAN connection or a congested LAN network it could explain why sometimes the app launches take more time.
That's one of the steps I was looking for and not finding. As annoying as it is when an app is opened for the first time after a reboot, it really is a nice security feature. It also explains why the start times are consistent across various levels of hardware because the network speed is the limiting factor.
Just out of curiosity, do you have any insight into why it takes so much longer for apps that are 1GB+ in size compared to smaller apps (Office Suite, iWork, Mathematica, Adobe Suite, etc.)? There seems to be a bit more than just a certificate check going on, and the consistency across various hardware levels seems to imply that network communications are still the limiting factor.
Unfortunately I don't. I am just repeating the (scarce) information I read on that topic.
I can't find the source right now but for the Microsoft Office suite, I've read the following some time ago:
Their main source code is still Windows only and on every start it re-loads all the necessary translation libraries/environment for macOS. Similar to Rosetta but on a per-app basis.
That is also why clicking some Excel formatting sub-menus take significantly longer on macOS - because it has to undergo the whole translation process each time it is called.
(not sure how much of that is valid for the Office 365 version)
Their main source code is still Windows only and on every start it re-loads all the necessary translation libraries/environment for macOS. Similar to Rosetta but on a per-app basis.
That is also why clicking some Excel formatting sub-menus take significantly longer on macOS - because it has to undergo the whole translation process each time it is called.
(not sure how much of that is valid for the Office 365 version)
I just punched a refurb OWC M1 Mac mini since the chip is excellent!
over a M2 certified refurbished to new one since M2 as is just the same as M1 for me.
well I love my Monterey MacBook Air M1 base model and upgraded to
Ventura and Snor-ona which is fast but felt plastic.
but I use these latest OSs for security purposes
like placing several unpublished novels I type on sitting on iCloud and banking stuff.
since I omitted 2 streaming services last month because they now gouge than entertain,
the old MacBook Pro 2012 Catalina is my streaming console, which is fine but maybe vulnerable.
and I tunes stopped support on Catalina recently.
"Cata-clika" is nice but not secure not that any iCloud is one the MBP
but still.
without cursing the purchase, I saved some cash and prob helped or environments somehows.
the M2 chip is better but by how much?
over a M2 certified refurbished to new one since M2 as is just the same as M1 for me.
well I love my Monterey MacBook Air M1 base model and upgraded to
Ventura and Snor-ona which is fast but felt plastic.
but I use these latest OSs for security purposes
like placing several unpublished novels I type on sitting on iCloud and banking stuff.
since I omitted 2 streaming services last month because they now gouge than entertain,
the old MacBook Pro 2012 Catalina is my streaming console, which is fine but maybe vulnerable.
and I tunes stopped support on Catalina recently.
"Cata-clika" is nice but not secure not that any iCloud is one the MBP
but still.
without cursing the purchase, I saved some cash and prob helped or environments somehows.
the M2 chip is better but by how much?
The last couple of builds in the bata channel actually are starting to look pretty promising performance-wise. It still can't run everything, but it's definitely better than it was. I can do pretty much everything I need to do and no performance hit from a real machine. My Mini is a Pro with 32G of RAM, 2TB SSD. I'm running parallels for this VM. (I have both parallels and VMware Fusion installed.)❓Will you please be so kind to help me understand what hardware level (CPU, RAM, SSD, etc.) is required to make MS Win 11 "very responsive"? ⚠️I am considering "loaded" Mac mini vs. "entry level" Studio, and, hopefully, your info will help me to make the right choice...
I assign 16G of RAM to the VM and 4 cores, 256G drive on internal SSD. It doesn't do too bad with only 8GB of RAM. As always, more RAM and more cores are better, but don't starve your host OS either.
Wonder if this is OSCP biting you.
MacOS phones home to Apple every time you open an app, these days.
Do you mean this? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Offensive_Security_Certified_Professional I read it but didn't understand much.
My Mac is definitely homing phone all the time because I'm syncing things between my devices all the time, and have push notifications and these things set up.
I haven't noticed any major performance hits. Don't use it much though.
SCARY SLOW!
I too need a "New Mac" as my 2017 27" 5K iMac is THROTTLED and basically unusable...
WHY STIMPY, WHY??
Its kinda FUGKED to see that even a M2 Pro SUCKS...
#$#$^^!!!
I too need a "New Mac" as my 2017 27" 5K iMac is THROTTLED and basically unusable...
WHY STIMPY, WHY??
Its kinda FUGKED to see that even a M2 Pro SUCKS...
#$#$^^!!!
It literally does not. If you got an M2 Pro, you would be surprised at how fast it is. This user expected that doing things in the OS would be pretty much instant, which it's not. That's not a chip problem, that's a macOS problem.