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I’m the only Desktop support guy in my company. First thing I did was start getting rid of the HP “probooks” that have had audio issues since G3 that are seemingly never going to be fixed.

Overall it’s been less work than supporting windows 7 with one major caveat, updates.

I’ve noticed a new behavior in the last few months: if windows updates are pending, the OS becomes incredibly unstable. Constant File Explorer hangups, random UI flaws all over the place, and just general nuisances until the machine is rebooted (thus forcing the update). I’m not sure what introduced this new behavior but it’s company wide. Can’t tell you how many times I get a message about X or y not working right, and when I tell them to reboot there’s ALWAYS an update to configure (though thankfully it’s massively faster at applying than in 7).

This behavior applies to O365 as well. The second I start hearing complaints about the UI spazzing our I know there is an update available, like clockwork.

It’s not a showstopper but god damn is this behavior annoying after 1+ years of smooth sailing on W10.

Windows as a service (the new business model) is a joke.
And you have a legitimate gripe. Yes MS does need to sort out it's update rollouts. Let's not forget the nightmare of hospitals with critical patient equipment running Windows 7/8 getting updates to upgrade to Window 10. It has gotten better but while there might me some gremlins in their update protocol, they will figure it out. Something like that happens again, just click on the Feedback App in Windows 10 and give them a piece of your mind. And they do listen and will respond especially to negative comments or suggestions.

I'm not a big fan of their Windows update policy but now Windows 10 is essentially free and is a service. So it's a process that takes time to hash out. There were many problems with the initial rollout of the XBOX One and it has been fixed for the most part, although i'm still not a big fan of the UI choices they made. But it's one thing to not like something because it's foreign or it's not to one's liking and it's a totally different to call something junk because a person is used to working with and has a certain preference and bias towards another operating system.
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Yeah i've been using various systems for a long time. Dos, the good ole bbs days, 3.11 for workgroups, tandy OS, original OSX on up either has hackintoshes or on macs, every version of windows, lots of versions of linux. It doesn't matter to me.

I did the same on windows, never had a virus but was going to do some house cleaning and a format so I thought i'd see what happens. But they are certainly not hard to avoid.
Man your list of software brings a tear to my eyes, it also makes me feel a lot older, LOL.
 
And you have a legitimate gripe. Yes MS does need to sort out it's update rollouts. Let's not forget the nightmare of hospitals with critical patient equipment running Windows 7/8 getting updates to upgrade to Window 10. It has gotten better but while there might me some gremlins in their update protocol, they will figure it out. Something like that happens again, just click on the Feedback App in Windows 10 and give them a piece of your mind. And they do listen and will respond especially to negative comments or suggestions.

I'm not a big fan of their Windows update policy but now Windows 10 is essentially free and is a service. So it's a process that takes time to hash out. There were many problems with the initial rollout of the XBOX One and it has been fixed for the most part, although i'm still not a big fan of the UI choices they made. But it's one thing to not like something because it's foreign or it's not to one's liking and it's a totally different to call something junk because a person is used to working with and has a certain preference and bias towards another operating system.
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Man your list of software brings a tear to my eyes, it also makes me feel a lot older, LOL.
Don’t get me wrong my opinion on MS has actually improved over the years. I’m not a fan of Windows for my personal use, but when I took this job I left ESPN which was all W7. I was extremely nervous about being the sole supporter of of the environment here and honestly other than a few botched updates (which only came through because the 3rd part firm who set up this office) just left all the settings to default so update compliance was a ******** to put it mildly.

I’m actually glad MS has pivoted away from relying completely on Windows as their bread and butter. Somehow not having it be the focus all the way up to CEO has actually resulted in a BETTER experience. It seems like the windows team is passionate about their work and no longer are being forced to participate in every endevour the company takes on, which has brought a new focus to it paradoxically.
 
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Many people cycle their machines every 3-4 years so the question of value also includes resale. A $900 machine reselling for 600, costs less than a 700 machine reselling for $300.
 
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Well, not everything works for everybody. Some people will prefer macOS over Windows, as they may find it easier to use, or more ergonomic, or feel that it is contains less bloat, requires less maintanence, is less prone to viruses, or is simply better. Other will prefer Windows, as they may find it runs more software, is more adequate for gaming, has better productivity apps, or is simply better overall. That is a matter of opinion, and it is not possible to put a price on it, so it does not lead to an objective discussion. How much Windows or macOS is worth to me is simply a subjective question, and destroys any attempt to compare similar systems. If macOS is considered better than Windows in every situation, then it is not possible to compare computers using these two operating systems, as they would be considered different products overall.

There are of course other factors to be taken into consideration. A Mac is more expensive than a Windows PC, but may have a better sale value. However, it is not possible to determine the resale price at the time of purchase, as it is not possible to know whether the computer will be lost, stolen, or broken before it is put to sale. If this is to be taken into account, then one should also consider the interest rate, or return on investment, on the price difference between a Windows PC and a Mac. Complicated equation.

One may also argue that a PC will require more maintanance than a Mac. That might be true, but it may also be true that Mac maintanance is more expensive. So, the probability of the Mac needing assistance may be offset by the cost of such assistance if and when required. Again, complicated equation.

It may also be argued that a Windows PC requires an anti-virus, which may increase the cost of the computer over the years. Well, an anti-virus may be required or not, depending on the user. There are free anti-virus software available. And of course each system and user will have different requirements. A Mac user, for instance, may have to buy a Windows license to run Windows software, while this will be already included in the cost of a Windows PC. Once again the equation is complicated and not simple.

It is also hard to determine which system will last longer. Microsoft and Apple keep updating their systems, and pushing specifications forward. It is not easy to know when the computer will become too slow to be used, or incompatible with new software.

So, the only objective measure here are the specifications of the computer. Which, again, is not that objective. A user may find that the Mac Mini or the iMac are more compact and will fit better in the room, so they may see more value in this. Power and heat management also tend to be quite good on the Mac. And that again deviates the equation.

On the other hand, the Mac is a closed system and must be bought "as is", with a few customizations to upgrade the processor or the memory or the storage. A PC can be built from the ground up. It may be possible to build a PC with the same specifications of a Mac Mini, but a user may have different needs. Perhaps the user does not need as many Thunderbolt ports, and want a better processor or a better video card, for instance. The PC is much more flexible. And, spec by spec, it is also a lot cheaper.

The only way to argue against that is use non-objective criteria and difficult, if not impossible, to precify: "macOS is much better than Windows", "Macs are designed better", "Macs have better resale value", "Windows will need anti-virus software that costs money", "Macs require less maintanance", and so on. All of this may or may not be true, and it is difficult to put a price on it. They may be good arguments in a PC vs. Mac debate. But the possibility of lower price is one of the advantages of the flexibility of a Windows PC. Should Apple allow macOS to be installed in any computer, it could be as cheap as a PC.
 
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