You should only consider the Mac Studio if you have an professional workflow that can leverage the extreme power of the M4 Max or M3 Ultra,
Or for games?
You should only consider the Mac Studio if you have an professional workflow that can leverage the extreme power of the M4 Max or M3 Ultra,
Sometimes they will just refresh an article and republish it to drive traffic if the topic is still valid. that includes the older comments. It can get confusing as the comments are often specific to the earlier time period.I thought that until I noticed most of the comments are dated 2022. Don’t know what’s going on.
Yes I was wondering about that as well, as the M3 Max's (and now M3 Ultra's) NPU appears to be really lacking when compared even to the base M4 chip's NPU!Is the NPU spec for the Mac Studio M3 Ultra in the new comparison chart correct? It was my understanding that the M3 Ultra's NPU is 2x18 TOPS = 36 TOPS. 72 TOPS implies it got a variant of the M4's NPU.
Okay I have a M1 Studio ultra 2TB drive and 128g RAM and I've used some of these "countless OTHER monitors" but the only one that works for me is the Apple Pro Display XDR.......this is simply the best.......forget the restAnd then people like you and me could post: "Wait... Studio can work with countless OTHER monitors." And we would have this same kind of thread with only more extremist numbers driving the other side of the conversation.
Wow, I strongly disagree with the MR advice:
In 2025, Apple updated the Mac Studio with the M4 Max and M3 Ultra chips. Apple last year refreshed the Mac mini with the M4 and M4 Pro chips, meaning that the Mac Studio faces a formidable competitor that offers "Pro" capabilities at a substantially lower price point.
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There are now two desktop Macs and four Apple silicon chip options for users who do not need the expandability of the Mac Pro. The Mac Studio starts at $1,999, overshadowing the $599 starting price of the M4 Mac mini and even the $1,399 starting price of the M4 Pro Mac mini, so do you need the performance of the Mac Studio, or is the humble Mac mini sufficient for your needs? Our guide helps to answer the question of how to decide which of these two desktop Macs is best for you.
The Mac mini and the Mac Studio share some fundamental features, including a familiar, boxy silver aluminum design, two front-facing USB-C ports along with HDMI and ethernet on the rear, and Apple silicon chipsets. That being said, the two machines have much more in contrast than they do in common, including different chip options, memory capacities, ports, and external display support capabilities.
Mac mini (M4, 2024) Mac mini (M4 Pro, 2024) Mac Studio (M4 Max, 2025) Mac Studio (M3 Ultra, 2025) M4 chip (made with TSMC's enhanced 3nm (N3E) process) M4 Pro chip (made with TSMC's enhanced 3nm (N3E) process) M4 Max chip (made with TSMC's 3nm (N3E) process) M3 Ultra chip (made with TSMC's enhanced 5nm (N3B) process) 4.30 GHz maximum CPU clock speed 4.30 GHz maximum CPU clock speed 4.30 GHz maximum CPU clock speed 4.05 GHz maximum CPU clock speed 10-core CPU (4 performance cores + 6 efficiency cores) 12- or 14-core CPU (8 or 10 performance cores + 4 efficiency cores) 14- or 16-core CPU (10 or 12 performance cores + 4 efficiency cores) 28- or 32-core CPU (20 or 24 performance cores + 8 efficiency cores) 10-core GPU 16- or 20‑core GPU 32- or 40-core GPU 60- or 80-core GPU Improved ray-tracing engine Improved ray-tracing engine Improved ray-tracing engine Ray-tracing engine 120GB/s memory bandwidth 273GB/s memory bandwidth 546GB/s memory bandwidth 819.2GB/s memory bandwidth 16GB, 24GB, or 32GB unified memory 24GB, 48GB, or 64GB unified memory 36GB, 48GB, 64GB, or 128GB unified memory 96GB, 256GB, or 512GB unified memory LPDDR5X memory LPDDR5X memory LPDDR5X memory LPDDR5 memory 256GB, 512GB, 1TB, or 2TB storage 512GB, 1TB, 2TB, 4TB, or 8TB storage 512GB, 1TB, 2TB, 4TB, or 8TB storage 1TB, 2TB, 4TB, 8TB, or 16TB storage 16-core Neural Engine, 38 trillion operations per second 16-core Neural Engine, 38 trillion operations per second 16-core Neural Engine, 38 trillion operations per second 32-core Neural Engine, 72 trillion operations per second Video decode engine Video decode engine Video decode engine Two video decode engines Video encode engine Video encode engine Two video encode engines Two video encode engines ProRes encode and decode engine ProRes encode and decode engine Two ProRes encode and decode engines Four ProRes encode and decode engines Dedicated display engine Dedicated display engine Dedicated display engine Support for up to three external displays Support for up to three external displays Support for up to five external displays Support for up to eight external displays Three rear Thunderbolt 4 ports Three rear Thunderbolt 5 ports Four rear Thunderbolt 5 ports Four rear Thunderbolt 5 ports Two front USB-C ports Two front USB-C ports Two front USB-C ports Two front Thunderbolt 5 ports Two rear USB-A ports Two rear USB-A ports Gigabit Ethernet or 10Gb Ethernet port Gigabit Ethernet or 10Gb Ethernet port 10Gb Ethernet port 10Gb Ethernet port SDXC card slot (UHS-II) SDXC card slot (UHS-II) Bottom power button Bottom power button Rear power button Rear power button Starts at $599 Starts at $1,399 Starts at $1,999 Starts at $3,999
Following the Mac mini's redesign last year, the dimensions of the two devices are now radically different, with the Mac Studio dwarfing the Mac mini in every way.
Mac mini Mac Studio Height 2.0 inches (5.0 cm) 3.7 inches (9.5 cm) Width 5.0 inches (12.7 cm) 7.7 inches (19.7 cm) Depth 5.0 inches (12.7 cm) 7.7 inches (19.7 cm) Weight M4: 1.5 pounds (0.67 kg)
M4 Pro: 1.6 pounds (0.73 kg)M4 Max: 5.9 pounds (2.7 kg)
M3 Ultra: 7.9 pounds (3.6 kg)
Most customers should choose the M4 Pro Mac mini over the M4 Max Mac Studio, saving $700 when looking at the base models. There will likely still be substantial savings when it comes to custom configurations.
You should only consider the Mac Studio if you have an professional workflow that can leverage the extreme power of the M4 Max or M3 Ultra, as well as its additional ports and memory options. If you need the Mac Studio, you will likely know that you are looking for a highly powerful machine that is capable of supporting specific intense workflows.
If considering the M4 Max or M3 Ultra Mac Studio, it's worth bearing in mind that the cheaper machine uses newer chip technology with faster memory, improved ray-tracing, and better single-core performance. For multi-core, graphics, a... Click here to read rest of article
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I disagree. One needs some level of power/RAM to get te work done for a chosen life cycle. Buying less than needed is poor tool purchasing, and pushing to shorter life cycles A) is a PITA and operationally inefficient and B) can get costly.I like the option of being able to devote more to the monitor than the CPU. The monitor to me is a much longer term acquisition. Swapping out a lower model CPU (Mini or low-end Studio) and upgrading that more frequently makes a better fiscal strategy.
While those are excellent deals for the base models, in general what I find with Micro Center is (a) they rarely have anything other than the base models (i.e. no BTO); and (b) they run out of stock quickly even when they do have the base models. It's a little frustrating.Check out 15% of all new Macs, including both Mac Studio models (M4 Max and M3 Ultra) and the new M4 MacBook Air at Micro Center (www.microcenter.com) if you have one of those Micro Center computer stores near you. This morning they just added the new Mac Studio models and the M4 MacBook Air. With 15% off the Apple list price, you can get an M4 Max Mac Studio base model for $1699 vs $1,999 ($300 savings), or an M3 Ultra Mac Studio base model for $3,399 vs $3,999 ($600 Savings). For all those considering upgrading, this should be 15% off vs. the Apple Educational discount of 10% off; plus you get an extra 3% off all purchases with the Micro Center credit card.
Never. A base M1 has no trouble with any of them. (Note, I stick with Safari on the M1 AIR and Firefox on the Linux box which has a CPU about the same speed as an M1 (Ryzen 4600G.)The complication comes when defining demanding. We don’t all do video editing or photo work. When do Chrome, Office, and Preview tasks become more demanding?
Except that comparing storage is a bogus way to look at it. External third party mass storage is cheaply available and TB provides good bandwidth. Forget the storage and focus on RAM, memory bandwidth and ports. Plus of course the M4 max chip is hella stronger than the M4 pro chip is.Except that's not a fair comparison. The maxed out Mini has 4x the storage at that price. If you keep the storage level across the two devices it's an $800 difference. I would find it hard to believe you'd seriously be looking at a device with 2TB of storage and compare it to a device with 512GB of storage.
Except that the world of computing is not just about chip specs. Apple's Unified Memory Architecture makes expensive RAM very important, changing your mathematical premise. A four year life cycle will seldom be appropriate, except perhaps for low end users.With both the increasing prices and the pace of incremental bumps in performance, a four year purchase cycle may have a doubling of performance at less than a doubling of price.
I have to know: Why did you spend $12,000 on a computer?I'm in the MINI camp - Coming from a $12,000 2019 Mac Pro
1) It was first and I needed a computer
2) Never will spend $10,000+ on a computer again
3) This was $3,000 with Apple Care
4) It's OVER TWICE the power of my 2019 (which I never maxed out)
Possibly the same reason I just spent 8k on a camera, a cost that blows some people away is simply a necessity if you require certain tools for certain jobs.I have to know: Why did you spend $12,000 on a computer?
Really looks like Apple gear may get the tariff treatment along with the other techies soon. I listened to the candidate before the election and he is doing what he said he would do. That is why we ordered all our new latest and greatest electronics gear for delivery before January 20. Apple has announced new stuff and the lead time for a fully loaded BTO MacStudio is out there to a date in April. We shall see what develops. Our costs are paid so no surcharges in the air for our gear.
I'm debating finally replacing my late-2014 model mac Mini, which mostly acts as a server for a variety of things at home (Home Assistant, Plex, others...). It's actually holding up to the workload quite nicely, but I'm starting to run into issues where the older OS isn't supported anymore (it's on Monterey; latest available for it).
Tempted to get the Studio, as the extra performance would help the replacement remain useful longer, but do I need it when this 16GB i7 is still chugging along dutifully? Hmmm
Very true. My biggest concern, I think, is memory - have a few VMs running on this thing and I think things are starting to get a little cramped. All-in-all though I'm impressed how well this thing's holding up to what I've thrown at it...It would be hard to justify more than a base Mac Mini M4 for that purpose. Performance-wise its 10x your Mac Mini, which like my Mac Mini 2018 i3 is already rarely pushed to the limit for home tasks. Maybe -- maybe -- the Studio will get an extra year or so of support over the Mac Mini M4, but it won't have 3x the life for your purposes.