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Duff-Man says...I have always gotten freebies of Office since I had a friend that worked for M$...but now that he has moved on I don't think I would shell out much for a new version...if I could upgrade for say like $99 I might think about it but anything much more than that I'd say forget it...oh yeah!
 
I haven't done anything with VBA scripting yet, but I am very much uneasy about the idea of Excel without it and and doubly so about non-Excel spreadsheet software, so as long as it keeps working, you can pry my Office 2004 from my cold, dead hands.

I could be quite happy with another presentation program -- Keynote works for Al Gore and seemed nice on the demo -- and any responsive, Aqua-native word processor is sufficient for 90% of what I do, but Excel is the standard spreadsheet package to such a degree that there really are no practical alternatives if you need full compatibility. I use Apple Mail and Lotus Notes, so Entourage really isn't any concern.
 
hopefully last MS one..

I am so ready to quit expensive low-track Office.

Even with good Windows and OSX kit, Office crashes, and has dumb 'help'. Word is ok for a 1 pager but geez-help-you if you want a paper with formatting and tables/charts, never mind a 100 pager plus. Powerpoint (death) - seeing now more than 10,000 presenters at trade shows and academic settings, with 30% fail-rate. Copy & past between versions of MS- forget it- everything changes. Copy & paste from Word to Powerpoint tables or charts- forget it, might as well start again. PDF output.. maybe in 2008. Excel, the wimpy spreadsheet with fun 3-d charts but non-power user macros and functions compared with the other two 90s ones. I'm a Matlab guy anyway for real math.

iWork 07 with a split word processor or DTP mode; Keynote digging deeper; and a spreadsheet all compatible with legacy Office- great! Price is very keen.

Openoffice for OSX native aqua- great as well- free. PDF outputs, help that is not dumb, stability, and very good graphics programs. Bring it on!

My only real hassle is migrating decades of legacy Office files (all incompatible fully with every other office version, anyway), is formatted table exported to other formats. MS is good here, but does not play well with others due to their non-standard XML.
 
Eh. Who needs it?

I have used versions of office on PC for years, and it has come along way. I've heard that people love the newest version of office, although i havne't tried it. But I have no intentions of having office on my mac. I've tried the 30 demo that came with my powerbook and I didn't mind it, its just there is NO way i'm spending 400-500 dollars on a home office suite!

I couldn't agree more. Many (many) years ago, I used Word 1.0 for the Mac. For many years, Word and Excel were my tools of choice be it Mac, DOS, or Windows. Then, around Word 6.0 I lost interest. Too many features, bloat, and incompatibilities. Office is almost a joke now - most people use about 1% of the feature set, but somehow companies are convinced they need it.

Now, Microsoft is up to their usual stupidity by eschewing the Open Document Format for their own "Open" format. Wonderful. Luckily for me, there's Open/NeoOffice. I still don't need 99% of the features, and yes, it's a bit slow at times, but it's free. (Well, I do dontate to the projects.)

For me, it's somewhat like Photoshop. I used to pay many dollars to keep upgrading to the latest version until I tried Elements and realized that between that and Graphic Converter I was well covered for a good deal less. Some people need the power, not me.

I have this pet theory (think of it what you will): Much like legislators, who have to justify their existance by making more laws, software companies need to continue their existance by adding more and more features. Even if they aren't necessay.
 
I think this new office for Mac looks great! Microsoft Office is an very important software...

All my years as a Director/Producer - manager - I have never needed Microsoft apps...apple 'text' is as great as their word app, who really cares.

People act like this is a Final Cut Pro, Maya, or something that can do something of some significance...if your into writing, get Final draft. :)

Office docs...seriously...maybe people need to branch out and do something else for awhile. :)

Peace

dAlen
 
I'm confused.

If the new version of Microsoft Office is at the beta stage already, then why isn't it in the shops yet?

Have you forgotten the code?

When they call it a beta, that means it's an alpha release. The actual (that is, beta) release will be in the second half of this year.

I think there's even a MS Knowledgebase article somewhere, spelling this out.

:D
 
Even with good Windows and OSX kit, Office crashes, and has dumb 'help'. Word is ok for a 1 pager but geez-help-you if you want a paper with formatting and tables/charts, never mind a 100 pager plus.
Actually, when assembling long and complex documents, Word is the *only* one that is full featured and stable (600+ pages with tables, charts, and extensive formatting). Pages is okay, but you can't do pleadings in it, and not just for lack of templates. Word handles large documents with far greater stability than Wordperfect (the only other real competition in town), especially in document finishing, and OpenOffice is utterly useless for a large number of document types simply for compatibility reasons--if you work with lots of important text on a regular basis, in a legal or publishing context in particular, you need something beyond what a PDF can offer. XML formats aren't standardized or effective yet, but that could change the scene.

We've never had a stability problem with Word (for Windows or OS X) in any of my workplaces, from when I did systems administration all the way to today. I've dealt with hundreds of computers in various environments.
All my years as a Director/Producer - manager - I have never needed Microsoft apps...apple 'text' is as great as their word app, who really cares.
That's absurd. That's like saying that Quicktime's video capture is equivalent to Final Cut. You need the right tools for the right job. Most home users and many business and professional fields don't need all the features of the various Office applications, but there are those that do and there are few real competitors in the field.

I really do love Keynote, but PowerPoint is still a great deal more powerful. Keynote has the advantage of a lower learning curve and a more sophisticated experience, but simplification comes at a price (a fair one, since presentations should generally lean toward simple rather than flashy). However, I've been around for presentations from medical professionals and aeronautics engineers who do use the advanced features of Powerpoint and write off Keynote as a child's toy in comparison--yes, even dedicated Mac users who, like myself, love Keynote for what it can do. Pages, on the other hand, is not a Word replacement for text-based professions.

People act like this is a Final Cut Pro, Maya, or something that can do something of some significance...if your into writing, get Final draft. :)
If you're into writing, get a pen and paper or type into Stickies, for all it matters. If you work professionally with documents, Word (or InDesign, etc., depending) is tough to beat. OpenOffice and iWork certainly don't cut it, and Corel's suite is old and spotty (but still exists because lots of lawyers simply won't let go).
 
...Word is the *only* one that is full featured and stable

Wow, you must be using a different version of Word than I use. The 2004 version I used to use would crash maybe once a day when I was writing on it all day working on light to medium complexity documents. I moved to a different word processor, Mellel, and it never ever never ever crashes, which is what should be expected from all word processors.
 
Why do people vote this negative?

I'm getting sick of this mac user hypocrisy- to cry monopoly at microsoft when ignoring all apple's iPod indiscretions. And then to claim MS apps are unstable/bad despite having never used them.

Thank god MS ignores you and OS X can enjoy another industry leading application for a few more years. Office 07 is an excellent product for which there is no substitute.
 
The difference with MS's monopoly is the need for compatibility. With Apple, you could always buy another music player and use another peice of software, but with microsoft, people need compatibility with their offices etc...
 
As much as I'm looking forward to a native Office being available, without Access, I'm still stuck with some need for Windows.
 
Why do people vote this negative?

I'm getting sick of this mac user hypocrisy- to cry monopoly at microsoft when ignoring all apple's iPod indiscretions. And then to claim MS apps are unstable/bad despite having never used them.

Thank god MS ignores you and OS X can enjoy another industry leading application for a few more years. Office 07 is an excellent product for which there is no substitute.

I find your level of praise for MS to be...rather over-ebullient. Why get so carried away? Some hypocrisy exists on both sides, but if you read this forum on a regular basis you'll know that people criticize Apple quite freely & fairly often when they feel just cause to do so.

Personally I don't hate MS & I'm looking at perhaps buying a PC later in the year. However, the truth is that for many Mac users there are excellent alternatives to MS Office: Neo Office & iWork 2007/08 will be more than fine for lots of users.
 
I really do love Keynote, but PowerPoint is still a great deal more powerful. Keynote has the advantage of a lower learning curve and a more sophisticated experience, but simplification comes at a price (a fair one, since presentations should generally lean toward simple rather than flashy). However, I've been around for presentations from medical professionals and aeronautics engineers who do use the advanced features of Powerpoint and write off Keynote as a child's toy in comparison--yes, even dedicated Mac users who, like myself, love Keynote for what it can do. Pages, on the other hand, is not a Word replacement for text-based professions.

Anyone who writes off Keynote as a child's toy in comparison to the Mac version of PowerPoint hasn't taken the time to learn Keynote. What can these professionals accomplish in PowerPoint than they can't do in Keynote? Keynote does lag behind the Windows version of PowerPoint in animation tools, but I expect Keynote 4 to be better in this area.

I agree that Pages cannot cut it for text-based documents. I rely heavily on Word in my work, which often involves viewing and editing complex documents that I receive from colleagues who use Windows. Ditto for Excel.
 
most people 'THINK' they need ms office, others keep it as a security blanket, (remember a lot of people are making the os just, take it one step at a time) we all know neo office and iwork (if it gets excel equivelent will do), neo office supports macros, ms office 2007/8 for mac does not.

For people who only use the basic features in Office - writing 1-10 page memos, creating spreadsheets that are more 'to do' lists with a few simple sums etc, then yes, Neo Office or iWork (with a spreadsheet) would do. And I suspect that's the majority. Those power Office users need Office. I work with spreadsheet in the thousands of rows and a few alphabets-worth of columns that I need to condense into pivot tables, run complex IF statements, LOOKUP functions and pull in information from OLAP cubes or use VB. Mac Office 2008 is only going to let me do 'half' of my job and NeoOffice the other half. I'm better off running with Office 2004 or with Windows Office under Parellels.

To me, Office should have the same features and interface on both the Mac and PC.

The existing Mac Office can't handle the same things at the PC version does. I have a few pivot tables that I brought over to the Mac and which seemed to work until I started trying to drill down - no go. Mac Excel is crippled in comparison to the PC version.
 
I would say that a majority of Word users use:

1. Emboldening and centring for their titles
2. Justifying
3. Paragraphing
4. Header and/or footer

Most people would be better off with NeoOffice, but are more comfortable with the suite they know...
 
Actually, when assembling long and complex documents, Word is the *only* one that is full featured and stable (600+ pages with tables, charts, and extensive formatting).

What about LaTeX? Or InDesign? If you are making long documents surely you would use one of those programs not Word.
 
I would say that a majority of Word users use:

1. Emboldening and centring for their titles
2. Justifying
3. Paragraphing
4. Header and/or footer

Most people would be better off with NeoOffice, but are more comfortable with the suite they know...

I definitely agree

As much as I dislike WinDoZe, Office is a terrific suite --- you really have to take the time to go through Word's features in order to appreciate it --- I love the proofreading capabilities, for example

BTW -- I LOVE PAGES (iWork) as I create many brochures and creative docs, but for simple word processing, that program leaves me hitting my head against a table
 
What about LaTeX? Or InDesign? If you are making long documents surely you would use one of those programs not Word.

Exactly.....there are reasons why those of us that write thesis don't use word or if we do we have to make each chapter a seperate file!
 
The existing Mac Office can't handle the same things at the PC version does. I have a few pivot tables that I brought over to the Mac and which seemed to work until I started trying to drill down - no go. Mac Excel is crippled in comparison to the PC version.
Exactly...unfortunately.

PowerPoint is another case of aggravation.

Why can't the folks at Microsoft make a completely compatible Office for both major platforms?
 
Microsoft Office is a phenominal product. I use all its components for 10 hours, every day. And without it, Work would not get done as effeciantly as it does now.
 
I do not expect that MS Office for Mac has much of a life left. I think MS Office 2008 maybe the last one, but there maybe one more before the end. Past that I do not expect any more versions of it. M$ just killed it by not providing VB support. Also if I remember correctly M$ promized to continue support thru 2010 but that is it to my knowledge. So maybe one more version but 2008 version maybe it.

We are looking at OpenOffice, NeoOffice and iWorks to pickup the slack. So expect major changes to iWorks either this year or next.

Apple has to pick up the slack if they want to have a chance in the Enterprise and with people that wants to bring work home.

I plan to stay with the old version of office and continue to play with iWorks.

I feel that both OpenOffice and NeoOffice feel baren, I pop them up and feel I have no idea where to go next, it feels empty. I know it is all there but both products to me feel baren.

Maybe it is just me, but I imagine switchers may feel the same and become disapointed.
 
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