Mac OS 10.4.8 Imminent?

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Quad G5 With GT7800 + 10.4.7 Kernal Panics

I don't know what to tell you. Couple days after I installed 10.4.7 , major issues happened on my quad. I end up with my computer at Apple for repair and 3 weeks later they figure out a combination of 10.4.7 and my GT7800 card were the issue.
Now, I have a new GT card and I use 10.4.6. The kernel comes once a week. So the problem in some way still persist. I hope the new 10.4.8 will address this issue. If not I'll go back to Apple and request a new computer in exchange for the one I have.
I don't know, I love my quad but I have to say I was pretty upset with this whole fiasco. I wish Apple had a loaner program for professionals using powermac. That way we can still productive while the computer is being repaired. I would not mind to pay a little more on applecare to get such a service.

Sorry I don't have that video card in mine so I can't report replication of the problem. Sorry to hear that. Bummer.

 

[sehix]

They Can Aways Resort To 10.4.9.1, 10.4.9.2 Etc.

Nah, if they need to go past 10.7.9, they can go for 10.7.10, 10.7.11 .. 10.7.93 or whatever.

The numbering scheme just looks like it's base 10. It ain't.

 

[IlluminatedSage]

I'm hoping to see those OpenGL improvements significantly boost my Quake 1 fps on my MacBook.

hah! you are ridiculous, trying to play quake on an integrated graphics chip.

shoulda bought a macbook pro.

that said, for the money apple is charging, they could have definitely picked a low end dedicated graphics chip from ati or nvidia. shame on apple

 

[Deputy-Dawg]

They Can Aways Resort To 10.4.9.1, 10.4.9.2 Etc.

Or they could revert to Hex and use

10.4.A
10.4.B

etc.

 

[slb]

Nah, if they need to go past 10.7.9, they can go for 10.7.10, 10.7.11 .. 10.7.93 or whatever.

The numbering scheme just looks like it's base 10. It ain't.

You know, I often see this posted on the forums, yet I can't think of any example in the past that proves it. Every version after a .9 that I know of has been the last of that series.

 

[Josias]

You know, I often see this posted on the forums, yet I can't think of any example in the past that proves it. Every version after a .9 that I know of has been the last of that series.

Cheetah - 10.0.3 (I think)
Puma - 10.1.5 (I think)
Jaguar: 10.2.7
Panther: 10.3.9
Tiger: 10.4...

 

[gugy]

Sorry I don't have that video card in mine so I can't report replication of the problem. Sorry to hear that. Bummer.

Yeah, I am pretty sure the main culprit is the GT 7800 card. I am thinking in get rid of it or pressure Apple to upgrade for a better card.
Anyway, that's life in the computer world.

 

[shawnce]

Cheetah - 10.0.3 (I think)
Puma - 10.1.5 (I think)
Jaguar: 10.2.7
Panther: 10.3.9
Tiger: 10.4...

Follow the Mac OS X line... http://www.levenez.com/unix/history.html#11

10.0.4, 10.1.5, 10.2.8, 10.3.9, 10.4.?

 

[bousozoku]

I just hope Apple have fixed a lot of ridiculous little problems with Cocoa and the Task Switcher, etc. that they introduced with 10.4.7. I'm tired of quitting one application in Task Switcher and seeing another application's name in the menu bar while it's quitting.

 

[Eric5h5]

Oh noes! The dreaded off-topic discussion on numbering schemes that pops up after each os update.

Which is why it is MANDATORY that Apple release 10.4.10, even if it's exactly the same as 10.4.9 with a change log that says "Updates from 10.4.9: Er, nothing really, sorry." That way these obnoxious discussions can end once and for all.

The numbering scheme just looks like it's base 10. It ain't.

It most certainly is. What else would it be? Hex? Octal? Binary? Of course it's base 10. It's just not a flippin' decimal. The fact that there are TWO dots makes it pretty blindingly obvious that it's just a separator...you know, like they use in phone numbers...please don't tell me anyone thinks phone numbers are decimals....

You know, I often see this posted on the forums, yet I can't think of any example in the past that proves it. Every version after a .9 that I know of has been the last of that series.

Blender: 2.42
Safari: 416.12 (AKA 2.0.2) (Yes, I know it's old )
Wings3D: 0.98.29
Warcraft III: 1.18
Pan: 0.14.2
...etc.

And as far as Quake on a MacBook...that's Quake *1*? Even the crappy GMA950 should be playing that at hundreds of frames per second. Heck, it could do that in software mode! If you're having problems, that's not something OpenGL is gonna fix...probably Rosetta issues unless there's a UB....

--Eric

 

[Mogenshu]

You know, I often see this posted on the forums, yet I can't think of any example in the past that proves it. Every version after a .9 that I know of has been the last of that series.

Another example is that World of Warcraft is on version 1.12

 

[MacsRgr8]

I don't know what to tell you. Couple days after I installed 10.4.7 , major issues happened on my quad. I end up with my computer at Apple for repair and 3 weeks later they figure out a combination of 10.4.7 and my GT7800 card were the issue.
Now, I have a new GT card and I use 10.4.6. The kernel comes once a week. So the problem in some way still persist. I hope the new 10.4.8 will address this issue. If not I'll go back to Apple and request a new computer in exchange for the one I have.
I don't know, I love my quad but I have to say I was pretty upset with this whole fiasco. I wish Apple had a loaner program for professionals using powermac. That way we can still productive while the computer is being repaired. I would not mind to pay a little more on applecare to get such a service.

I have a Quad G5, GeForce 7800 GT, 4 GB RAM, and have had Mac OS X 10.4.7 installed on it ever since the update was available.
I have had absolutely 0 problems with it!

If this 10.4.7 update would have had a known issue with our setup, we surely would have known by now.
You are sure no hardware can be faulty? Any 3rd party stuff? No bad RAM?

 

[gugy]

I have a Quad G5, GeForce 7800 GT, 4 GB RAM, and have had Mac OS X 10.4.7 installed on it ever since the update was available.
I have had absolutely 0 problems with it!

If this 10.4.7 update would have had a known issue with our setup, we surely would have known by now.
You are sure no hardware can be faulty? Any 3rd party stuff? No bad RAM?

yes, my set up is very much like yours. I have 6gig RAM
Well, Apple replace logic board, processors and memory and the problem was still there. finally they did replace the Gt card. It was great. Still pretty stable, but like I said once a week I get a kernel panic. The only thing I can think about is the GT card. I even tried the basic set up with only mouse and keyboard. Not sure what to do next.
Once a week problem is not a bad thing. It just bad to know that the problem still there. I guess the next thing is to try to complete replace the machine or the GT card for a different model.
I'll try to replace my 3rd party RAM, even thought I don't think it is the problem.

Thanks for the interest.

 

[50548]

I just hope Apple have fixed a lot of ridiculous little problems with Cocoa and the Task Switcher, etc. that they introduced with 10.4.7. I'm tired of quitting one application in Task Switcher and seeing another application's name in the menu bar while it's quitting.

Yep, this happens with me too...nothing grave but annoying..

 

[mmmcheese]

hah! you are ridiculous, trying to play quake on an integrated graphics chip.

shoulda bought a macbook pro.

that said, for the money apple is charging, they could have definitely picked a low end dedicated graphics chip from ati or nvidia. shame on apple

Wasn't Quake 1 a software rendered game? In that case, the graphics processor has nothing to do with it. Even if it is OpenGL accelerated, the integrated graphics should have no problem on such an old game.

 

[bradc]

Luckily none of you have a Mac Pro with build 8K1079. It is complete *****. Build 8K1079 is horrible, hell-half of System Preferences doesn't work, Rosetta can't keep PPC apps open, can't plug in some USB devices, can't restart without holding power button down, the curtain of death happens.....a lot. So many problems with build 8K1079 that we don't/can't use it at work here.

 

[JackAxe]

yes, my set up is very much like yours. I have 6gig RAM
Well, Apple replace logic board, processors and memory and the problem was still there. finally they did replace the Gt card. It was great. Still pretty stable, but like I said once a week I get a kernel panic. The only thing I can think about is the GT card. I even tried the basic set up with only mouse and keyboard. Not sure what to do next.
Once a week problem is not a bad thing. It just bad to know that the problem still there. I guess the next thing is to try to complete replace the machine or the GT card for a different model.
I'll try to replace my 3rd party RAM, even thought I don't think it is the problem.

Thanks for the interest.

My friend had nothing but problems with his G5. The computer was constantly in for repairs and would spew out kernal-panics often. It ended up being a bad memory module, which was undetectable even with an extensive hardware test. The only reason he figure it out, is because he had lowned the additional RAM to a mutual friend while his G5 was in the shop for the last time.

<]=)

 

[realtime]

Ah, how wrong we are...

Nah, if they need to go past 10.7.9, they can go for 10.7.10, 10.7.11 .. 10.7.93 or whatever.

The numbering scheme just looks like it's base 10. It ain't.

The version number used internally throughout the system is contained in 32 bits. The high byte (0-255) is the Major version number [10] in 8 bits. The second highest byte contains the Minor version [4] and the BugFix version [7] as two 4-bit nibbles, so each of those is limited to a max of 15, and the last two bytes contain an 8-bit development stage bitmask and an 8-bit revision number. Thus the OS could conceivably encounter eight more BugFix versions, up to 10.4.15, before Leopard takes over. The Gestalt format is similarly limited; although the value is a long, it holds a hexadecimal representation masked to the lowest 16 bits: 0x1047.

Heaven forbid we use more than one word to describe the system build version. I guess Apple should have packed the Major and Minor version into the two nibbles of the high byte, and designated the BugFix version the entire second byte (0-255)... but then what would we do after Mac OS X 15 is EOL'? ;-)

Personally I think Tiger will RIP at 10.4.9...

 

[gugy]

My friend had nothing but problems with his G5. The computer was constantly in for repairs and would spew out kernal-panics often. It ended up being a bad memory module, which was undetectable even with an extensive hardware test. The only reason he figure it out, is because he had lowned the additional RAM to a mutual friend while his G5 was in the shop for the last time.

<]=)

Yes, that might be it. It is the only thing that hasn't been replaced. The Apple memory has been replaced but not the third party RAM, I'll exchange for a new ones.
Thanks for the input.

 

[seashellz]

We could well see a 10.4.10....

If LEOPARD doesnt arrive until spring...

 

[Fiveos22]

I guess I am sorry I created all the confusion,

Yes, my original post was a joke,
yes, it was referring to "Quake I",
yes, Quake I never required video hardware,
yes, Quake I runs like a bat out of hell already on the new machines,

so the OpenGL multithreading would make Quake I run much faster, because I need to see the difference between choppy 300 fps and much smoother 375 fps.

I apologize for the humor.

 

[XtraSmiley]

So as a new MB user, in which everything works fine so far, this update means nothing to me?

 

[brepublican]

If LEOPARD doesnt arrive until spring...

I frankly fail to see what the deal is with a possible 10.4.1x. I just dont see why people make such a big deal out of nothing. If it comes it comes, if it don't... well then.

Waiting patiently

 

[JeffDM]

Yes, if anyone starts that @#% up again I will punch a room full of children.

If you want a reaction, shouldn't you be threatening to be punching the children rather than the room they are in?

 

[JeffDM]

If LEOPARD doesnt arrive until spring...

They certainly didn't promise it for the fall. They left quite a window, didn't they say 1H07? Let them get it right with good testing. With earlier Tiger revisions, I just went back to 10.3 until they had enough things working right. This will also be the longest time between major revisions, so that's probably going to mean more minor revisions.