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Mac OS X 10.2.2 is on the developer site
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I hope those new nVidia and ATI drivers fix the mixed brand display card issue, right now I have to hack around it in order to get my computer to work, fortunately, Jaguar is so stable, I don't have to restart it much (restarting with the hack is a MAJOR pain in the butt)
Upgrading after using beta
I am going to be able to upgrade after installing this beta? IF not, will I be able to re install my sys software without losing my date, or is this better left to people with an extra partition/sys software installed?
I am going to be able to upgrade after installing this beta? IF not, will I be able to re install my sys software without losing my date, or is this better left to people with an extra partition/sys software installed?
great.. but no improvements or even bug fixes to iChat? come on apple.. ichat as it is now has some great potential but also has some major flaws/bugs... at least you can fix some of the more serious ones like the connection problems
...and ICQ too hehe
but before they start adding any new features, i hope they fix the myriad of bugs!
Re: disk copy
Here's the problem that I've had with iChat:
Sometimes I go online and I'm chatting with someone.. part way through our conversation, I send the person a message and they don't respond for a while... they don't go into idle mode or anything, so I keep on messaging them, and still no response... so I message them on MSN or ICQ and ask them why they are ignoring me on AIM.. they say that I went offline on AIM.. but according to iChat from my point of view, I'm still online. So then i have to quit iChat and re-launch it to reconnect to the AIM network.
Another problem is that sometimes after having iChat open for a long time, I notice that there are X number of people online, and an hour later, there are still X people online and they happen to be exact same people. This is very odd because I have lots of contacts on my AIM list and people are constantly going on and offline. Also, sometimes I *know* a person is offline, but iChat tells me they are still online.
These problems are very serious because it makes iChat very unreliable and defeats the purpose of having an IM client. Whats the point of using an IM client if I can't even be sure that a messae I send is going to be received? Or I can't even know if I'm online or not?? I believe there is some bug with iChat and its connection to the AIM servers. So for now, I have gone back to Proteus and Adium for now.
I think iChat has some great potential but these quite serious connection problems must be resolved first.
Here's the problem that I've had with iChat:
Sometimes I go online and I'm chatting with someone.. part way through our conversation, I send the person a message and they don't respond for a while... they don't go into idle mode or anything, so I keep on messaging them, and still no response... so I message them on MSN or ICQ and ask them why they are ignoring me on AIM.. they say that I went offline on AIM.. but according to iChat from my point of view, I'm still online. So then i have to quit iChat and re-launch it to reconnect to the AIM network.
Another problem is that sometimes after having iChat open for a long time, I notice that there are X number of people online, and an hour later, there are still X people online and they happen to be exact same people. This is very odd because I have lots of contacts on my AIM list and people are constantly going on and offline. Also, sometimes I *know* a person is offline, but iChat tells me they are still online.
These problems are very serious because it makes iChat very unreliable and defeats the purpose of having an IM client. Whats the point of using an IM client if I can't even be sure that a messae I send is going to be received? Or I can't even know if I'm online or not?? I believe there is some bug with iChat and its connection to the AIM servers. So for now, I have gone back to Proteus and Adium for now.
I think iChat has some great potential but these quite serious connection problems must be resolved first.
10.2.1 made my SuperDrive unrecognized to disk copy and iTunes 
yeah the ichat team needs to do some serious bugsweeping. i am also disappointed to see, so far, there are no reported ichat updates. its seriously buggy, but i use it because of its potential.
it needs to crash less, because it crashes all the time for me.
also, sometimes ill be typing to someone and the window will go blank white and i have to close it and wait to see what people say, otherwise i lose their messages.
it really really doesnt like how fast i type to people and goes spinniewheel ballistic and crashes when im having a lively conversation.
.Mac accounts are spotty sometimes when it comes to being able to login. alot of times i get a service unavailable message, but change to a regular AIM account and it works fine.
and how about having a profile dammit?
it needs to crash less, because it crashes all the time for me.
also, sometimes ill be typing to someone and the window will go blank white and i have to close it and wait to see what people say, otherwise i lose their messages.
it really really doesnt like how fast i type to people and goes spinniewheel ballistic and crashes when im having a lively conversation.
.Mac accounts are spotty sometimes when it comes to being able to login. alot of times i get a service unavailable message, but change to a regular AIM account and it works fine.
and how about having a profile dammit?
While all the app updating is great, I'd also like to see some speed improvement--responsiveness of the finder, running multiple apps and switching among them instantly when click on window or dock, printing w/o getting a beachball (even if they are more attractive beachballs--I mean on a LAN printing to an HP8100 there should be no hesitation), etc. Granted, I don't have a dual gig, but I do use a dual 500 and it's happening on that. And 10.2.1 on an ibook 600 really makes serious work painful--again, running multiple apps (6-8+), taking 10 seconds to process a print job (and quit counting pages) or 20 seconds to open a 1.5MB PPT deck. Really want speed--optimize the code or do whatever makes that happen! (besides buying a dual 1G+)
Nathan
Nathan
I agree speed is paramount
I love OSX, but I would rather have overall speed improvements than iChat, or CPU Monitor, or many of the other "goodies" with 10.2 I am a die hard mac user, and I love my 933 with a GIG+ of ram, but I cannot feel nothing but humble when I go to the lab at school, and a I see:
1: 200+ Dell's w/ 15inch flat panels 1.6GHTZ
2. The responsiveness of these systems. Everything is processed NOW. There is rarely any lag.
I dont want to get into the MHZ myth BS, but I know I have the fastest single processor mac built and 1.28GIGS of Ram, but my system pales in comparasion to a run of the mill 1.6GiG Dell.
OSX may be a jaguar, but I think its more like a baby jag rather then a fast, slick cat in the jungle full of other "big cats." The potential is there, but I think Apple needs some focus, rather than all these other tangents they are exploring.
I love OSX, but I would rather have overall speed improvements than iChat, or CPU Monitor, or many of the other "goodies" with 10.2 I am a die hard mac user, and I love my 933 with a GIG+ of ram, but I cannot feel nothing but humble when I go to the lab at school, and a I see:
1: 200+ Dell's w/ 15inch flat panels 1.6GHTZ
2. The responsiveness of these systems. Everything is processed NOW. There is rarely any lag.
I dont want to get into the MHZ myth BS, but I know I have the fastest single processor mac built and 1.28GIGS of Ram, but my system pales in comparasion to a run of the mill 1.6GiG Dell.
OSX may be a jaguar, but I think its more like a baby jag rather then a fast, slick cat in the jungle full of other "big cats." The potential is there, but I think Apple needs some focus, rather than all these other tangents they are exploring.
I hope they fix the nasty Finder bug, that sometimes (rare, but it happens) occurs, and makes it impossible to move or copy files (no error message or anything, you simply cannot move any files or folders). Only a reboot solves the problem. Really annoying....
Fix the many Jaguar bugs and breaks
Upgrading to Jag has not been without many problems. I hope Apple goes through and looks at everything they broke and try to fix it or work with vendors to have them fix everything that's broken. It simply is no longer a rock solid OS for me. I'm having problems with USB devices, FireWire devices and most importantly, I'm constantly getting permission errors that requires me to run the disk utility to fix sometimes when I restart.
Furthermore, the phrase "OSX compatible" means nothing now. It has to say Jaguar compatible...which few things say or are labled as such.
Bummed because I use Proteus instead of iChat, Entourage instead of iCal or Mail.app, iView Media Pro instead of iPhoto, and have no use for .mac since I have a domain/host account. So I wish Apple would've spent or will spend more resources making sure everything works and works well...fast and reliable.
I'm whining like hell, but just asking for perfection. I could always downgrade, but I really like a lot of other things Jag offers, and it's the best OS available today.
Upgrading to Jag has not been without many problems. I hope Apple goes through and looks at everything they broke and try to fix it or work with vendors to have them fix everything that's broken. It simply is no longer a rock solid OS for me. I'm having problems with USB devices, FireWire devices and most importantly, I'm constantly getting permission errors that requires me to run the disk utility to fix sometimes when I restart.
Furthermore, the phrase "OSX compatible" means nothing now. It has to say Jaguar compatible...which few things say or are labled as such.
Bummed because I use Proteus instead of iChat, Entourage instead of iCal or Mail.app, iView Media Pro instead of iPhoto, and have no use for .mac since I have a domain/host account. So I wish Apple would've spent or will spend more resources making sure everything works and works well...fast and reliable.
I'm whining like hell, but just asking for perfection. I could always downgrade, but I really like a lot of other things Jag offers, and it's the best OS available today.
I'm with you. It doesn't matter whether it's the G3/400 or the dual 800 I run, but there are many places where speed could be improved. Of course, I feel a lot of the problem is with the application vendors and their Carbon-ized code. If they're using tricks from the old days, they're probably having a negative effect on performance. They'll figure it out and so will Apple, but Mac OS 9 didn't arrive in 1984, so it may take a little time for Apple to get to that level, but hopefully not 16-17 years.
Re: Fix the many Jaguar bugs and breaks
i understand your concern, but it's the job of the software maker to conform to the os, not the other way around, you cannot expect apple to modify their code so that it works with every poorly written program for the mac.
i think speed needs a definite boost on g3 machines and those without QE graphics cards as i found no improvement in speed on my machine and the finder could use a lot of bug fixes (does anyone know if ftp access in the finder is usable now?).
bosozoku hit the nail on the head with his comment on carbon apps, too many developers are using tricks and hacks just to get the program to work in osx instead of actually writing it for osx. this is what's giving carbon such a bad name. carbon apps can be just as fast/stable and almost as powerful as cocoa apps, but it requires a little more work than some developers have put into their ports.
i understand your concern, but it's the job of the software maker to conform to the os, not the other way around, you cannot expect apple to modify their code so that it works with every poorly written program for the mac.
i think speed needs a definite boost on g3 machines and those without QE graphics cards as i found no improvement in speed on my machine and the finder could use a lot of bug fixes (does anyone know if ftp access in the finder is usable now?).
bosozoku hit the nail on the head with his comment on carbon apps, too many developers are using tricks and hacks just to get the program to work in osx instead of actually writing it for osx. this is what's giving carbon such a bad name. carbon apps can be just as fast/stable and almost as powerful as cocoa apps, but it requires a little more work than some developers have put into their ports.
